Disparity in Rally vs. Voter Numbers - Michigan

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[Paul4Prez]

If we had a few hundred thousand at the rallies, then we would have something. 4,000 people turning out to a rally, and most of them voting, doesn't make a dent in a big state with a primary. The voters for the other guys are sitting around all day, being brainwashed by talk radio

 

[dillo]

Replace oreilly with swann and we would have this wrapped up already

 

[ronpaulnevada]

It's clear...

...whoever is running the campaign is making some big mistakes.

There was a big Women's Republican meeting in Arizona -- RON DID NOT SHOW UP -- the other candidates did. All the candidates met with Gov. Jan Brewer EXCEPT RON PAUL. Ron Paul did NOT GO TO CPAC.

These are big events he should NOT be missing.

Ron's going to colleges and speaking to the converted.

He's not reaching out, he's not expanding his campaign, he's not refining the message.

Another poster said he's building up a base for the future, maybe for his son. Maybe he knows the old folks are too stupid to ever change (they've already destroyed this country anyway).

At first I thought it was conspiracy, until I showed up for the Nevada caucus. I saw a TON of people shuffling in, all of them OLD, and I realized, "Wow, these people are silent, they're not politically involved, BUT THEY VOTE LIKE CLOCKWORK and they vote Establishment."

 

[newbitech]

All points agreed, but the older people are the ones who donate and actually get out and vote, unlike the majority of college aged adults.
Those are facts we can never jump over and have to realize it.

Now, how did Ron do in 2008 in Michigan and AZ? Let's start comparing.

AZ 2008 - 22,692
MI 2008 - 54,475

 

[The Free Hornet]

AZ 2008 - 22,692
MI 2008 - 54,475

MI Ron Paul 115,757 11.6%
AZRon Paul 38,683 8.4%

He almost doubled the numbers. I for one am proud of the campaign. Happy to have maxed out. I wish I got involved in other areas (delegate) rather than waiting around to vote.

Ron Paul could suck up to all the usual suspects but then he wouldn't be Ron Paul, he wouldn't be leading Obama in polls, and he would have no leverage come crunch time.

I wish the votes were there already but I also wish the votes counted. Anonymous, zero cost voting sucks. The 8.4% in AZ indicates 91.6% of that voter subset loaths liberty. That's a tough nut to crack. Ron Paul is winning in the important ways. The odds are steep for all of the candidates. Santorums votes in the primary don't inspire confidence in the prediction market:

http://laboratoryofthestates.org/cgi-bin/electability

It's an odd game - I don't see the wisdom of so many second guessing.

 

[papitosabe]

Last I checked it's something like the 50 - 70 year olds who largely decide every election. They don't go to rallies, they don't have bumper stickers or yard signs, but they sure do vote. And I have a feeling they vote largely based on what they see on television.

1000% accurate! thats what worries me about the rest of this election...the RP online support wins hands down. But most people don't use internet for news and many don't use internet at all. I think one of the best things to do is attach a few of your favorite RP youtube videos and ask those to click and watch. Ask them what they think so you make sure they watched it. I had to bug a friend 3 times, and she finally watched it. Now she's onboard now and forwards it herself.

 

[speciallyblend]

reality is michigan and many state gop's support Obama by default.

 

[parocks]

...whoever is running the campaign is making some big mistakes.

There was a big Women's Republican meeting in Arizona -- RON DID NOT SHOW UP -- the other candidates did. All the candidates met with Gov. Jan Brewer EXCEPT RON PAUL. Ron Paul did NOT GO TO CPAC.

These are big events he should NOT be missing.

Ron's going to colleges and speaking to the converted.

He's not reaching out, he's not expanding his campaign, he's not refining the message.

Another poster said he's building up a base for the future, maybe for his son. Maybe he knows the old folks are too stupid to ever change (they've already destroyed this country anyway).

At first I thought it was conspiracy, until I showed up for the Nevada caucus. I saw a TON of people shuffling in, all of them OLD, and I realized, "Wow, these people are silent, they're not politically involved, BUT THEY VOTE LIKE CLOCKWORK and they vote Establishment."

Old people don't want R(evol)ution. We're way way away from their comfort zone. They're the ones who have been picking the candidates we hate. Their tastes are not our tastes.

Ron Paul has the most enthusiastic supporters because he's the most DIFFERENT. To us, it's what, No One But Paul? To them it's not that at all. It's Whoever Can Beat Obama. WCBO. Ron Paul is just far from what the average old person is looking for.

It is an error to think, by the way, that we spend more time and effort on young people than old. Those people we call with phone from home? Those are the voters. The young typically aren't voters. The young typically aren't on the lists. If we get the info for a young person, we'll add their info to our lists, but we don't start with their info. We do have the info of the regular voters. I don't know what segment of the voters they're using, but it doesn't include college students.

All polls indicate that we are best liked, in any given state, by 18-29 year old males. They are not on our lists. We spend time and money to call pretty much everyone else but young folks who do like us. Our GOTV is like finding needles in haystacks. If 18-29 year old males voted at the rate that 65+ year old women do, and 65+ year old women voted at the rate that 18-29 year old males do, we would've won a lot of states.

We should be doing as much Extra GOTV as possible, with a focus on 18-29 males.

It's difficult work, and we don't like doing it, but it has to be done to win. We do so little of it, so little of what we, the grassroots does, even touches Vote, and Voting.

The grassroots can just stop talking about Ron Paul. We get it. We can't even get people who like us to the polls. Work on that. Get that done. The grassroots should just stop with the persuasion. And just Get Out The Vote. Do whatever you think will work to get 18-29 males to the polls.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

We don't have soft support.

That's what it is.

Most candidates' supporters are soft supporters, and the small minority are the hardcore base. We're the other way around.

 

[Schifference]

The entire process is corrupt. Look at Maine. There were several counties that numbers were manipulated. What about all the other counties that were not in question? Even if you win you lose. By RP's own admission it is all about delegates. How good is your vote when delegates can disregard the popular vote and nominate whomever they choose. The corruption in government starts at the city level and goes all the way to the white house.

 

[KingNothing]

Can anyone here say... massive vote fraud?

Sure, we can say it. It would be pointless, incorrect, lazy and a cop-out, but we could say it.

It isn't fraud. It's a fact. We win among people who care the most. We win among people who attend rallies. We win among people who donate. We win among people who have actually sacrificed for their country. We win among people who understand the issues. We lose among everyone else.

It's that simple.

 

[moonshine5757]

this is all so depressing

 

[papitosabe]

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I wonder if any other characteristics fit whats going on now...

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

 

[KingNothing]

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I wonder if any other characteristics fit whats going on now...

Literally none of those things are happening now. Go to Russia, the nations that surround it, Africa or the Middle East if you want to see that garbage.

 

[airborne373]

People may not be excited about Romney or Santorum but do love their entitlements. I believe we are seeing the 'Social Security Brigades."

 

[Butchie]

...whoever is running the campaign is making some big mistakes.

There was a big Women's Republican meeting in Arizona -- RON DID NOT SHOW UP -- the other candidates did. All the candidates met with Gov. Jan Brewer EXCEPT RON PAUL. Ron Paul did NOT GO TO CPAC.

These are big events he should NOT be missing.

Ron's going to colleges and speaking to the converted.

He's not reaching out, he's not expanding his campaign, he's not refining the message.

Another poster said he's building up a base for the future, maybe for his son. Maybe he knows the old folks are too stupid to ever change (they've already destroyed this country anyway).

At first I thought it was conspiracy, until I showed up for the Nevada caucus. I saw a TON of people shuffling in, all of them OLD, and I realized, "Wow, these people are silent, they're not politically involved, BUT THEY VOTE LIKE CLOCKWORK and they vote Establishment."

Agree with all you said except the Jan Brewer part, she made no difference in that state, she never would have endorsed Ron anyhow, all of them just "go with the flow" and endorse whoever is "popular", but most of all I don't ever want Ron kissing up to people just for their endorsement, not saying you shun anybody, just don't bow down to them either.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Literally none of those things are happening now. Go to Russia, the nations that surround it, Africa or the Middle East if you want to see that garbage.

The media does participate in smearing candidates, and some districts are gerrymandered. There's some truth found in the statement he posted.

 

[tbone717]

The media does participate in smearing candidates, and some districts are gerrymandered. There's some truth found in the statement he posted.

How would gerrymandering effect a primary election?

 

[D.A.S.]

Old people don't want R(evol)ution. We're way way away from their comfort zone. They're the ones who have been picking the candidates we hate. Their tastes are not our tastes.

Ron Paul has the most enthusiastic supporters because he's the most DIFFERENT. To us, it's what, No One But Paul? To them it's not that at all. It's Whoever Can Beat Obama. WCBO. Ron Paul is just far from what the average old person is looking for.

It is an error to think, by the way, that we spend more time and effort on young people than old. Those people we call with phone from home? Those are the voters. The young typically aren't voters. The young typically aren't on the lists. If we get the info for a young person, we'll add their info to our lists, but we don't start with their info. We do have the info of the regular voters. I don't know what segment of the voters they're using, but it doesn't include college students.

All polls indicate that we are best liked, in any given state, by 18-29 year old males. They are not on our lists. We spend time and money to call pretty much everyone else but young folks who do like us. Our GOTV is like finding needles in haystacks. If 18-29 year old males voted at the rate that 65+ year old women do, and 65+ year old women voted at the rate that 18-29 year old males do, we would've won a lot of states.

We should be doing as much Extra GOTV as possible, with a focus on 18-29 males.

It's difficult work, and we don't like doing it, but it has to be done to win. We do so little of it, so little of what we, the grassroots does, even touches Vote, and Voting.

The grassroots can just stop talking about Ron Paul. We get it. We can't even get people who like us to the polls. Work on that. Get that done. The grassroots should just stop with the persuasion. And just Get Out The Vote. Do whatever you think will work to get 18-29 males to the polls.

This is 100% truth and wisdom right there, especially the last paragraph. We would do well to listen to these points.