Disparity in Rally vs. Voter Numbers - Michigan

[RDM]

I think the rallies are pointless. All they really seem to be are pep rallies for the die hards. All the other candidates are out doing old fashioned, tried and true campaigning, town halls, door to door stuff, while Ron has a tent revival with the faithful. How can they not realize this?

That's the difference between a educational campaign and a campaign strategizing for wins.

 

[PineGroveDave]

Turning 52 here in 3 weeks. I don't attend rallies. I don't have signs in front of my house (I live on a private road with 6 neighbors), but I proudly wear a RP T-Shirt in public. You are correct though. My colleagues are nothing but a bunch of brain dead, goose stepping, automatons who take their orders from their TVs...and they vote. They avoid me because they know I'll RAWK their world and shit on their paradigm. They're comfortable with Hannity and O'Reilly...We've an uphill battle.

Last I checked it's something like the 50 - 70 year olds who largely decide every election. They don't go to rallies, they don't have bumper stickers or yard signs, but they sure do vote. And I have a feeling they vote largely based on what they see on television.

Of course, I'm generalizing here. There are more and more 50 - 70 year olds who support Paul now too, just not enough yet.

 

[SonofThunder]

This

The majority of voters dont go to rallys. They just bandwagon behind the leaders. Rallys =/= general population. Its not a conspiracy, just a fact most people are ignorant and barely paying attention to politics.

 

[SCOTUSman]

Can anyone here say... massive vote fraud? Sometimes it seems the more obvious it is the more people don't ( or don't want to) see it. Wake up folks, we are being conned.

LOL. I'm literally laughing at how crazy you are.

Look at the poll numbers. Pretty damn close to the real results. Nothing to see here. We just don't have the (stupid) voters.

 

[Monk]

We tried our best here fellas , there was atleast 7 new Ron voters from close people I know.

The problem is and will continue to be , the youth vote.

75% of voters were over 40.

 

[jasonxe]

Paul doesn't go to where the old people are at, he goes to COLLEGES!!!!! He doesn't even bother to target the older demographic.

He isn't running to win but to shape the future adults to become liberty minded. He isn't in it to win it. If he is then he should fire or replace whoever decides his campaign schedule.

 

[WD-NY]

I think the rallies are pointless. All they really seem to be are pep rallies for the die hards. All the other candidates are out doing old fashioned, tried and true campaigning, town halls, door to door stuff, while Ron has a tent revival with the faithful. How can they not realize this?

Not only this... Ron is delivering THE SAME SERMON at each of these tent revivals overflowing with ALREADY CONVERTED supporters. Honestly, how sad/weird/embarrassing is that??


At least baptist ministers and big evangelical preachers change their sermon ONCE A WEEK.

HELLO.. ::taps mic:: CAN YOU HEAR ME CAMPAIGN??

 

[Okie RP fan]

Paul doesn't go to where the old people are at, he goes to COLLEGES!!!!! He doesn't even bother to target the older demographic.

He isn't running to win but to shape the future adults to become liberty minded. He isn't in it to win it. If he is then he should fire or replace whoever decides his campaign schedule.

All points agreed, but the older people are the ones who donate and actually get out and vote, unlike the majority of college aged adults.
Those are facts we can never jump over and have to realize it.

Now, how did Ron do in 2008 in Michigan and AZ? Let's start comparing.

 

[socal]

(repost - thread got moved to Hot Topics)

If 10K unique people showed up at the 5 rallies, and 80% who attended were eligible to vote in MI's primary, and of those 80% supported Paul, and of those 80% voted, that's 51% or about 5K people at the rallies who voted for Paul. If he ends up getting 120K votes, that means 4% of all Paul voters showed up at one of the rallies. That seems like a lot, but my percentages could be way off.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

All points agreed, but the older people are the ones who donate and actually get out and vote, unlike the majority of college aged adults.
Those are facts we can never jump over and have to realize it.

Now, how did Ron do in 2008 in Michigan and AZ? Let's start comparing.

College kids are too poor to donate in most cases =P.. and many times its not feasible to go vote when you have classes, exams, labs, volunteer, job.

Poor from the high tuition, living cost, books, food, gas XD... hehehe. *darn department of education*

 

[lollypop]

That is cause Mitt Romney's votes are actually Ron Paul's votes. The voting machines inverted them. So Romney has to thank Ron Paul for coming thru for him again ! Now if we could just down load the machines to correct the program so that Ron Paul would get his real votes. Ron Paul always wins when the cameras are on the counting.

 

[Tod]

And all the college kids can't vote because they are away from home and not in their precinct or from out of state.

true this ^

when I was in college out of state, I voted absentee.

 

[Okie RP fan]

College kids are too poor to donate in most cases =P.. and many times its not feasible to go vote when you have classes, exams, labs, volunteer, job.

Poor from the high tuition, living cost, books, food, gas XD... hehehe. *darn department of education*

I know, I am a college kid myself. Not even twenty yet, but I have done my absolute best to balance everything while making a pretty sizable donation for someone in my shoes ($300, I'm actually kind of proud about that amount, even though I realize it's not a whole lot compared to some people) and finding time to become a delegate. And you better bet I will make time come Tuesday to go vote. Again, though, I understand.

 

[Vanilluxe]

That is cause Mitt Romney's votes are actually Ron Paul's votes. The voting machines inverted them. So Romney has to thank Ron Paul for coming thru for him again ! Now if we could just down load the machines to correct the program so that Ron Paul would get his real votes. Ron Paul always wins when the cameras are on the counting.

There is another thread about vote flipping and the statistical proof behind it. Some people here won't understand what you are saying.

 

[WilliamShrugged]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Last I checked it's something like the 50 - 70 year olds who largely decide every election. They don't go to rallies, they don't have bumper stickers or yard signs, but they sure do vote. And I have a feeling they vote largely based on what they see on television.

Of course, I'm generalizing here. There are more and more 50 - 70 year olds who support Paul now too, just not enough yet.

Bingo. They are the TV's hardest hit victim because they buy everything they hear...

I'd also point out that Ron Paul has so much nationwide support that it's always hard to say how many people at these rallies are actually from the state and not right outside of it (Hell I wonder how many Canadiens went to hear him speak).

Also, a lot of these young people simply don't vote and they don't understand how important Ron getting votes is. They see him down by 20% and figure it doesn't make a difference if they vote, they don't understand the delegate process or what's really going on on that front.

Plus, I wonder how many of these kids were registered to vote to begin with and how many of them would have voted for Paul if they had actually registered before he came to speak.

There's a lot of factors at play, but once all these ignorant old fucks die off things will get easier.

This is a marathon folks, not a sprint.

 

[Voluntary Man]

In Michigan, Romney and Santorum are tracking to exceed 300K votes, yet their rallies only produced a few hundred while Paul's rallies yielded thousands.

Why the disparity? People won't go to Mitt/Rick raliies, but turn out in droves to vote for them?

Dead men don't rally, but they do vote.

 

[parocks]

In Michigan, Romney and Santorum are tracking to exceed 300K votes, yet their rallies only produced a few hundred while Paul's rallies yielded thousands.

Why the disparity? People won't go to Mitt/Rick raliies, but turn out in droves to vote for them?

They turn out in droves because they always vote. They're not there because Mitt or Rick is on the ballot, they're there because they're Republicans, and they always vote. They might hate all of the candidates, but they're still there, voting, because they always vote.

 

[Libertytree]

If you look carefully at the college rallys you'll see a wide proportion of lots of different people of all ages etc etc...Do the math, do the common sense. Take east Lansing...Santi- 300 at speech..Ron Paul 4000 at speech. We're being had, BIG TIME.

 

[parocks]

true this ^

when I was in college out of state, I voted absentee.

College students CAN register at their college.