Discussion of Working inside the GOP

[ronpaulhawaii]

And what about the Republican National Committee? You just plan to ignore them in your state? How is that going to work out for ya?

About the RNC, here is a sampling...

Linda Bean (a Ron Paul supporter) elected to represent Maine on RNC platform committee

today, beating back prior RNC committeewoman in a 10 to 7 vote. ​

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http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/...vada-state-gop-conventions-held-this-weekend/

By Sunday in Maine, Republican convention-goers elected Paul supporters as their state party secretary and chairman, changing the convention atmosphere and altering party operations going forward. They also elected the state’s RNC committee man and woman, and swept four of four electors... Other recent developments in Nevada include Paul supporters electing a Paul-friendly state GOP chair by a 2-to-1 margin, the election of a Paul-friendly Nye County GOP chair, acquiring a two-thirds controlling interest in the Clark County GOP executive board, and gaining control of both of the state’s RNC slots.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

And what about the Republican National Committee? You just plan to ignore them in your state? How is that going to work out for ya?

In order to change that we gotta reclaim our state parties to get people moved up to national. Either way, it's not like the RNC has done much for state parties outside shoving R-money down our throats. MN was running a million $ shortfall prior to the Paul swiftboat and I didn't see the RNC come to the rescue. Frankly, who needs them. We just spend our money in states where we have more say in the party and on candidates that really are pro-liberty. Since Paul came on the big scene in '08, there's been less and less activity in the third parties than ever and more activity in the liberty wing of the GOP. If some people want to play third party politics, that's fine. I stopped playing third party games when I got tired of spinning my wheels. Been there, done that.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

How many decades do you suppose it will take to replace all the neocons?

Don't need to replace them all, just have a majority in the party and control the leadership. Let them be the outsiders. The conservative base will side with us when the issues are laid out on the table. They aren't apparatchiks that live and breathe party politics, they usually care about their kids' futures and all things pertaining to that. The debt and job availability being the main issue, it's clear to see that the insiders have had the wrong answers for too long.

 

[Carlybee]

Okay let me put this another way. What if some of us who are small (l) libertarians don't want to be Republicans? Even though we still admire, respect and care for Ron Paul and see him as our ideological mentor? Does that mean that because this board is apparently going to be "Change the GOP from within" only now, that we no longer have a voice or can no longer voice our dissent with that plan on this board? What do we tell the Democrats who we talked into changing their party to vote for Ron Paul? Just say...sorry either BE a Republican or piss off? CajunCocoa and I have both spent literally years trying to change the minds of people who we knew were pro second amendment and anti-war, but who were members of the Democrat party and have had some modest success. That's not right. It is not our place to tell people if they want liberty they have to acquiesce to a PARTY mentality when we spent a lot of time convincing them that it's not about parties but about saving our country. Plus not everyone who is pro-liberty necessarily embraces all of the social conservative issues. THAT is why I (not speaking for anyone else) think there has to be a discussion of an alternative.

 

[tbone717]

How many decades do you suppose it will take to replace all the neocons?

I don't know but it will be a lot less time then it will be to build a third party that has the ability to elect someone to Congress. So far, not one has been able to do so.

All it takes is for liberty activists to run for the offices and we can see a massive swing. It just takes people with the desire, the knowledge and the ability to demonstrate the competency to do the job to a relatively small amount of people. For example, our committeeman won his seat with only 285 votes - and I don't live in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Carlybee]

I don't know but it will be a lot less time then it will be to build a third party that has the ability to elect someone to Congress. So far, not one has been able to do so.

All it takes is for liberty activists to run for the offices and we can see a massive swing. It just takes people with the desire, the knowledge and the ability to demonstrate the competency to do the job to a relatively small amount of people. For example, our committeeman won his seat with only 285 votes - and I don't live in the middle of nowhere.

Not one has been able to do so because they haven't had the fire in their bellies to do so. IMO.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Okay let me put this another way. What if some of us who are small (l) libertarians don't want to be Republicans? Even though we still admire, respect and care for Ron Paul and see him as our ideological mentor? Does that mean that because this board is apparently going to be "Change the GOP from within" only now, that we no longer have a voice or can no longer voice our dissent with that plan on this board? What do we tell the Democrats who we talked into changing their party to vote for Ron Paul? Just say...sorry either BE a Republican or piss off? CajunCocoa and I have both spent literally years trying to change the minds of people who we knew were pro second amendment and anti-war, but who were members of the Democrat party and have had some modest success. That's not right. It is not our place to tell people if they want liberty they have to acquiesce to a PARTY mentality when we spent a lot of time convincing them that it's not about parties but about saving our country. Plus not everyone who is pro-liberty necessarily embraces all of the social conservative issues. THAT is why I (not speaking for anyone else) think there has to be a discussion of an alternative.

I have few problems with people talking about all kinds of strategies, but do note that this thread is a "Discussion of Working inside the GOP". If that does not interest you, why are you commenting in this particular thread.

The fact remains that this particular strategy is the one RP has led people to, so there will naturally be resistance to stopping following RP and going off on our own. This is Ron Paul Forums...

 

[cajuncocoa]

Passive/Aggressive? Thank you Doctor Barrex...glad you can not only discern tone and inflection on the internet but can also diagnose psychological issues. For the 100th time, there is no plan. There is a discussion. No one has claimed to have a plan. I have stated several times that I have no intention of what I personally plan to be doing until after the convention and I am sticking by that. I will still cheer on our delegates and I will still vote for NOBP, no matter what. So take it as ad hominem as you wish (which reminds me of something a libtard would say). As long as people think like you do, no one will ever get past the left/right lie. When Ron Paul comes out after the convention with a concise plan we shall see...but right now his campaign has squashed any desire I have to be a part of the GOP because I won't compromise my principles and lie in order to "fit in"...and anyone who says that's not what they are going to have to do is kidding themselves. (See Amash's vote on Israel....see Rand's endorsement of Romney). It's a GAME of politics. In 100 years...if we last that long as a sovereign country, people will still be trying to play the stupid game.

+rep

 

[tbone717]

Not one has been able to do so because they haven't had the fire in their bellies to do so. IMO.

Good luck with that.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I have few problems with people talking about all kinds of strategies, but do note that this thread is a "Discussion of Working inside the GOP". If that does not interest you, why are you commenting in this particular thread.

The fact remains that this particular strategy is the one RP has led people to, so there will naturally be resistance to stopping following RP and going off on our own. This is Ron Paul Forums...

Do note that the original title of the thread was The "we need to infiltrate the republican party" is making us look weak!


See OP: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...side-the-GOP&p=4511886&viewfull=1#post4511886

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I have few problems with people talking about all kinds of strategies, but do note that this thread is a "Discussion of Working inside the GOP". If that does not interest you, why are you commenting in this particular thread.

The fact remains that this particular strategy is the one RP has led people to, so there will naturally be resistance to stopping following RP and going off on our own. This is Ron Paul Forums...

Amen. I've tried stating it different ways but you've described it best.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Do note that the original title of the thread was The "we need to infiltrate the republican party" is making us look weak!

Yep, I've been against the infiltrate and takeover concepts and have recently decided to relinquish using the "purge" term when dealing with insider hackers, but I'm not above pushing the corrupt bastards to the side.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I have few problems with people talking about all kinds of strategies, but do note that this thread is a "Discussion of Working inside the GOP". If that does not interest you, why are you commenting in this particular thread.

The fact remains that this particular strategy is the one RP has led people to, so there will naturally be resistance to stopping following RP and going off on our own. This is Ron Paul Forums...

Amen. I've tried stating it different ways but you've described it best.

Now you're starting to sound like an Obamabot. If Ron Paul told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? I love Ron Paul, but when I think he's wrong I will say so. Ron Paul doesn't think for me.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yep, I've been against the infiltrate and takeover concepts and have recently decided to relinquish using the "purge" term when dealing with insider hackers, but I'm not above pushing the corrupt bastards to the side.

The corrupt bastards will push you back. That's why they call them "corrupt bastards". Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Carlybee]

Fine..a moderator has confirmed what I thought so I will bow out. I am quite aware it is a private forum and therefore not bound by freedom of speech issues.
Good luck because y'all are about to lose a lot of supporters like myself by trying to force us to march in lockstep. Of course you can say don't let the door hit ya...but multiply me by many who are sitting out here confused by the actions of the campaign and not too surprised by the actions of the GOP machine.

 

[tbone717]

The corrupt bastards will push you back. That's why they call them "corrupt bastards". Don't say I didn't warn you.

If one truly believes what they stand for is right, then they should not be afraid to defend their beliefs and principles. If fear of someone fighting back is going to prevent someone from systematically moving forward, then they were not cut out for this in the first place.

 

[cajuncocoa]

If one truly believes what they stand for is right, then they should not be afraid to defend their beliefs and principles. If fear of someone fighting back is going to prevent someone from systematically moving forward, then they were not cut out for this in the first place.

I don't disagree with that. What remains to be seen is which side comes out the winner. Good luck!

 

[tbone717]

Good luck because y'all are about to lose a lot of supporters like myself by trying to force us to march in lockstep. Of course you can say don't let the door hit ya...but multiply me by many who are sitting out here confused by the actions of the campaign and not too surprised by the actions of the GOP machine.

It is a shame, because there a many people with skills and talents that could be useful moving forward. Nonetheless, this happens when any diverse group of people moves from their original shared goal onto the next step. It is my hope though that many of the people that are new to activism (those that have come on board in the last 5 years) will see the wisdom in Paul's vision and learn to best utilize their time and energy on setting achievable goals.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Fine..a moderator has confirmed what I thought so I will bow out. I am quite aware it is a private forum and therefore not bound by freedom of speech issues.
Good luck because y'all are about to lose a lot of supporters like myself by trying to force us to march in lockstep. Of course you can say don't let the door hit ya...but multiply me by many who are sitting out here confused by the actions of the campaign and not too surprised by the actions of the GOP machine.

I'm curious how me stating my opinion (or anything I've said) is in any way, shape, or form, "trying to force us to march in lockstep" ???

I am wary (and weary) of such hyperbole...

 

[Carlybee]

I'm curious how me stating my opinion (or anything I've said) is in any way, shape, or form, "trying to force us to march in lockstep" ???

I am wary (and weary) of such hyperbole...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...side-the-GOP&p=4540132&viewfull=1#post4540132

Sorry if I misread it but that's what it sounded like to me. Since the original title of the thread was changed to say something completely different it leads one to believe that dissenting voices are unwelcome here. If that constitutes hyperbole then I don't know what else to say. I didn't realize that discussion equals derailment. Seems this topic was derailed from the get go though.