Discussion of Working inside the GOP

[LibertyEagle]

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[Carlybee]

44, I have been actively involved in either campaigns or the GOP since 86.

I'm older than you and could give 2 spits about the GOP or the Democrats. I vote and donate via my conscience. If you think that is somehow sabotage that's your problem. Or else you think people on here are too stupid to make their own decisions and follow the path they see fit. Stop trying to marginalize the true liberty stance with your RLC agenda.

 

[LibertyEagle]

My point being that this notion of working in the GOP is nothing new to a lot of folks - which is the reason some of us were in here, i.e. to assist those that were new to this whole thing at becoming more effective. So, I am sorry if you are put off by age and experience, but there are some people in this world that consider those valuable.

Some folks here have never stepped foot inside a political meeting of any kind, so dialoging with people that have done is countless times is a good thing.

So, you and some others are members of this forum are here to try to direct us? You may have the best of all intentions, but this more than makes me feel uncomfortable.

 

[Carlybee]

Actually, it kinda appears like that is exactly what you are trying to do.

Why? Because I stated my opinion? Did I tell anyone to follow my opinion? Do you think people on here are zombies with no opinions of their own?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why? Because I stated my opinion? Did I tell anyone to follow my opinion? Do you think people on here are zombies with no opinions of their own?

My bad. I'm sick right now and for some reason thought that both of the comments I quoted were from the same person. Sorry.

 

[tbone717]

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[LibertyEagle]

by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Cajun, isn't DiLorenzo an anarchist?

 

[tbone717]

So, you and some others are members of this forum to try to direct us? You may have the best of all intentions, but this more than makes me feel uncomfortable.

If people with experience offering to assist people that do not have experience makes you uncomfortable then I really don't know what I can say. You folks can have at all of this alone. Seriously, I am tiring of this.

I can tell that my opinions are not welcome here. Enjoy your time here.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I do find it interesting that you say there is a "true liberty stance" as opposed to what the RLC stands for (which as we all know Paul is a former chair of the RLC, and Massie, Amash, Rand and others are members). But, tell me Carly - what position of theirs on their statement of principles do you find differs from your "true liberty stance"?

http://www.rlc.org/about/statement-of-principles/ there is the link. I would be interested what you find on there that is problematic.

I still haven't gotten an answer to the question I sent off, but Tbone, like I told you before, I'm pretty damn sure that Ron Paul stopped being affiliated with the RLC some time ago. So, please do not imply that what the RLC does is in keeping with Ron Paul's beliefs. Ron Paul helped establish FreedomWorks too and we have all seen it slip from its once more principled stances.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Cajun, isn't DiLorenzo an anarchist?

no idea, so what?

 

[LibertyEagle]

If people with experience offering to assist people that do not have experience makes you uncomfortable then I really don't know what I can say. You folks can have at all of this alone. Seriously, I am tiring of this.

I can tell that my opinions are not welcome here. Enjoy your time here.

Hell yes it does. Are you surprised? Movement after movement have been co-opted. Offering suggestions to those interested about how to be more effective in the GOP is one thing; steering them towards a list of RLC-approved candidates is quite another.

 

[LibertyEagle]

no idea, so what?

Most of the Mises crowd do not vote, nor do they advocate anyone else do it either.

Look, I like the institute, but deferring to them about political activism does not make much sense.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Most of the Mises crowd do not vote, nor do they advocate anyone else do it either.

Look, I like the institute, but deferring to them about political activism does not make much sense.

Now this is getting really confusing: someone who adheres to Austrian Economics is suddenly considered an anarchist who should not be trusted to offer an opinion about political parties?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Now this is getting really confusing: someone who adheres to Austrian Economics is suddenly considered an anarchist who should not be trusted to offer an opinion about political parties?

If they have chosen to sit on the sidelines and not partake of political activism, then no, in my opinion, they should not. Not everyone who believes in Austrian economics believes in not voting, or is an anarchist for that matter, you realize, right? By the way, more than a few anarchists vote.

 

[cajuncocoa]

If they have chosen to sit on the sidelines and not partake of political activism, then no, in my opinion, they should not. Not everyone who believes in Austrian economics believes in not voting, or is an anarchist for that matter, you realize, right? By the way, more than a few anarchists vote.

It was you who said "most of the Mises crowd do not vote" ... thanks for clarifying.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It was you who said "most of the Mises crowd do not vote" ... thanks for clarifying.

True, but before I take someone's advice about political activism, I want to know what their stance is. It's not like the Mises Institute has been promoting political activism; rather, the opposite is what I have seen. lol

 

[TheTexan]

True, but before I take someone's advice about political activism, I want to know what their stance is. It's not like the Mises Institute has been promoting political activism; rather, the opposite is what I have seen. lol

I'm obviously an opponent of political activism, but if it's done in a manner similar to Ron Paul, with conviction, integrity, and a firm foundation in principles, then I am all for it. That just rarely happens.

People are generally more concerned with winning than principles... and winning without principles, as has been proven time and time again, is no win at all.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I understand your concern, bxm. I have the same.

 

[Carlybee]

I'm obviously an opponent of political activism, but if it's done in a manner similar to Ron Paul, with conviction, integrity, and a firm foundation in principles, then I am all for it. That just rarely happens.

People are generally more concerned with winning than principles... and winning without principles, as has been proven time and time again, is no win at all.

And that is why I feel as I do...too many years of party over principle.

 

[gte811i]

If they have chosen to sit on the sidelines and not partake of political activism, then no, in my opinion, they should not. Not everyone who believes in Austrian economics believes in not voting, or is an anarchist for that matter, you realize, right? By the way, more than a few anarchists vote.

This Mises Institute is an education institution not a political institution. I would suggest that those who want to do something, but outside the political structure of Parties, get involved with them.

You will find lots of members of the Mises Institute involved in personal political activity, but it would be wholly inappropriate for the Mises Institute to endorse or support political candidates. The do invite Liberty minded politicians to speak at their functions from time to time, but that is quite different than endorsing.

This is the same issue in the Republican party, for example the County Party Chairman cannot use his position to endorse any candidate. He can personally endorse them, but should not say "I'm the Chairman of xyz and I endorse blah".