Discussion of Working inside the GOP

[mstrmac1]

[mod - Prior title: The "we need to infiltrate the republican party" is making us look weak!]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

 

[Bman]

Thought provoking, allow me to retort.

http://www.lp.org/

Good luck with that!

 

[HopeForHumanity]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

I disagree, infiltrating the Republican party is a really smart decision. Republicanism and modern "libertarianism" go hand in hand if you look at its origins in the enlightenment era. Its actually perfect timing because all the old war hawks are retiring and its our turn. Parties should change every generation, and this time we have a special message that could actually turn this country around. I disagree with rands endorsement, however, as it wrongly surrenders our take over as being a "get along" movement. Taking over and getting along are very different things.

 

[LibertyEagle]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

Actually, it is working. We just have to do everywhere what was done in Iowa and Missouri. And yes, we are a "new brand", so to speak. We as returning the Republican Party back to its constitutional roots and then we will use that leverage to get our liberty candidates in debates and elected.

 

[parocks]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

No. If we take over the Republican Party, and the Conservative Wing has been a identifiable distinct part of the Republican Party since at least Robert Taft, we will have displaced other Republicans. We will have the Grand Old Party, and they will not. And there will be no place for them to go. Perhaps they join the Democrat Party? Perhaps a new 3rd Party? Either way, a whole bunch of folks will be looking for a new home, and it won't be in the Republican Party. There are as you know 2 main parties who always win - Republican and Democrat. We want to be one of the winning parties. If we can do this, this is what we should try to do. And we are winning in places like Maine.

 

[AlexAmore]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

Do you have literally 20 billion to spare to promote this new message intended to mass convert hundreds of millions of brand loyal people to our way of thinking in under four years while fighting head on the government sponsored corporate mass media conglomerate? No?

I'm not sure Rand is the Naive one. But thanks.

 

[Respect38]

Thought provoking, allow me to retort.

http://www.lp.org/

Good luck with that!

The top link made me want to join the Libertarian Party even more.

Thank you!

 

[IPSecure]

Conquer the divide!

Imagine the LP & Constitution parties joining together to take back the Republican party...

Party...

 

[Tod]

Conquer the divide!

Imagine the LP & Constitution parties joining together to take back the Republican party...

Party...

^this

 

[Victor Grey]

Do you have literally 20 billion to spare to promote this new message intended to mass convert hundreds of millions of brand loyal people to our way of thinking in under four years while fighting head on the government sponsored corporate mass media conglomerate? No?

I'm not sure Rand is the Naive one. But thanks.

Heh heh, third party completely loses for decades...

spends 20 billion solely to get multiple millions of new people to vote for LP party candidates...

Start winning a handful of times...

get in the way of Neocons and progressives winning elections...

Either neocons or progressive liberal politicians go join LP... run as Libertarian party members.

...third party advocates complain that they have to actually directly face them politically to win.

Except now they're broke.

complain two-party people are obsessed with labels.

Start advocating for a new party...

 

[romancito]

I agree with OP. Anything else is short of honest. That is why I don't see Dr. Paul succeeding in the Republican party. As honest as he is, trying to change the Republican party with a rhetoric that is foreign to them is kind of dishonest and sneaky. That is why the Republican establishment has to turn to dishonest and sneaky tactics during their district and state conventions. Because Ron Paul philosophy and platform is foreign to them. Best thing is to create a party that represents the best hopes and ambitions of Dr. Paul and see to it that it gets to the top. Then and only then will I contribute a penny again.

 

[cajuncocoa]

From Rand endorsement... To how how do we need to get along and integrate with the republican party ...to get our message out is wrong. We need our own brand! If we think they are just going to give up they're product and let us change it, then we are niave...we're not Republicans!!! They need to conform to our product. Unlike Rand who conforms to theirs. This is where Ron Paul is Wrong!

FWIW, I agree and have said so on this board quite often.

 

[tod evans]

So ya'll think after 30+ years Dr. Paul doesn't know what he's doing?

 

[cajuncocoa]

So ya'll think after 30+ years Dr. Paul doesn't know what he's doing?

To be honest, I have always wondered why he has been so determined to stay in a party that clearly doesn't want him. After 30 years (30 years!!) how far has it REALLY gotten him?

 

[tod evans]

To be honest, I have always wondered why he has been so determined to stay in a party that clearly doesn't want him. After 30 years (30 years!!) how far has it REALLY gotten him?

Just this week, on this board.....in '88 laughed at on the Morton Downey Jr. show to literally millions of supporters who understand his ideas and in spite of the odds are trying to bring some sanity back into American politics...

Me, I'm impressed.

 

[specsaregood]

..we're not Republicans!!!

Funny, I'm a republican, Ron Paul is a republican, Rand Paul is a republican. Hell, I've been a republican for a lot longer than I've known about Dr. Paul. Good luck with your search though, just don't presume to speak for us republicans.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Just this week, on this board.....in '88 laughed at on the Morton Downey Jr. show to literally millions of supporters who understand his ideas and in spite of the odds are trying to bring some sanity back into American politics...

Me, I'm impressed.

That all happened because of US ... not because of the GOP, which has tried to derail us in every way possible. It happened IN SPITE of the GOP, quite frankly.

 

[specsaregood]

That all happened because of US ... not because of the GOP, which has tried to derail us in every way possible. It happened IN SPITE of the GOP, quite frankly.

You thought this was gonna be easy?

 

[tod evans]

Funny, I'm a republican, Ron Paul is a republican, Rand Paul is a republican. Hell, I've been a republican for a lot longer than I've known about Dr. Paul. Good luck with your search though, just don't presume to speak for us republicans.

I'm not a (insert party here)........I'll back a man/woman based on who they are and what they stand for.

I will never pigeonhole myself into group-think.........For any reason.

RP made the decision to join and compete within the [R] party........I respect RP........Doesn't mean I abide by the [R] platform blindly.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm not a (insert party here)........I'll back a man/woman based on who they are and what they stand for.
I will never pigeonhole myself into group-think.........For any reason.
RP made the decision to join and compete within the [R] party........I respect RP........Doesn't mean I abide by the [R] platform blindly.

Well I think you misunderstood me. I'm not emotionally invested in the label, its just a vehicle. I have no problem calling myself a republican, it would be no different than saying I drive a cadillac. But if the laws were setup where only cadillac drivers were allowed to drive faster, access restricted roads and drive without seat belts, I certainly wouldn't be arguing that I should downgrade to driving a gremlin.