Discussion of the overall theory of TeaParty07.com

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I made a video promoting the TeaParty07 website yesterday. I'm very proud of it, and I put it in my signature. I've emailed it to some friends, and will post it on my blog soon.

I'm proud of the video, but the TeaParty07 website itself has a major flaw.
It's being run by consensus.

Trevor and Nathaniel are doing a phenomenal job, but they've undertaken an impossible task. They're trying to be all things to all people. They're trying to find a concensus and run the website by committee. The proper thing for Trevor and Nathaniel to do at this point is to consider what would make the most effective grassroots donation drive, and then follow that course.

There is already huge momentum behind TeaParty07.com.

Some people really like the wording on the website and like the attempt to link the Federal Reserve's artificially low interest rates with the unfair taxation that existed 234 years ago.

Some people would prefer to see the idea of "inflation tax" presented alongside other issues.

Others would prefer to see a more general message about freedom and liberty, without focusing on specific issues.

Trevor rightly points out that since the polls came out at roughly 50/50, he can't make a change to accommodate one faction without then annoying the other factions.

Trevor, can I suggest that you think outside the box here? I see a better way to set this up. We have the technology.

Suppose we had a main website with a picture of Ron Paul, an explanation of the mass donation goal, a hit counter, a pledge counter, and some cool banners and the "Liberty is Brewing" slogan. The purpose of this site is to keep track of the momentum behind the TeaParty07 grassroots one-day political fundraising event.

Then you can make another website or a separate section on the same domain, and use that to explain inflation. Someone else might have an idea or a particular issue that's important, and they can make their own website explaining whatever they want to explain, and then they can ask people to help the cause by going to TeaParty07.com and pledging to participate.

With the power of hyperlinks, this donation day really can be all things to all people. You can have your section about inflation, I can have my section about following the Constitution and the idea that the rule of law is a precondition to any other political debate. Someone else can talk about a peaceful foreign policy. Someone else can make a webpage gushing about Ron Paul's character and how excited they are to finally get the chance to vote FOR a candidate rather than picking the one they think is the least bad. Regardless of how this event set up, there will be tens of thousands of people promoting it and convincing others to participate. Let's set it up in such a way that those tens of thousands of supporters can go out and sell this idea with all their vim and gusto, not just some of it.

Does anyone else have ideas on the overall philosophy of the donation drive? Please chime in.
 
I made a video promoting the TeaParty07 website yesterday. I'm very proud of it, and I put it in my signature. I've emailed it to some friends, and will post it on my blog soon.

I'm proud of the video, but the TeaParty07 website itself has a major flaw.
It's being run by consensus.

Trevor and Nathaniel are doing a phenomenal job, but they've undertaken an impossible task. They're trying to be all things to all people. They're trying to find a concensus and run the website by committee. The proper thing for Trevor and Nathaniel to do at this point is to consider what would make the most effective grassroots donation drive, and then follow that course.

I'll post the same thing I did over in the other thread.

That was the logic behind having multiple websites, and that was what I argued would be best with the website I was running, but people get scared when you suggest it. People are afraid that the whole thing will collapse like a house of cards without organization, and it prevents them from being effective, and for that reason we should simply let it go. If we sit and discuss this issue, we might come to a more amicable solution but we will have wasted a lot of energy arguing over something that is at this point nearly moot.

Never underestimate the ability of people to be inefficient in large groups.

Look at the government...

The philosophy is irrelevent because the consensus has made it so, and philosophical discussion at this point will misspend energy.
 
I think you nailed the core issue...what is TeaParty07.com here for? I personally think it's here to be a central place to collect statistics and contact info from folks pledging to donate, and to support the effort to market the Tea Party '07 money bomb event.

On December 17th, the site is going to be 'spent', there won't be any good reason to go back there. So pouring hours and hours into this perfectly crafted message when 75% of the folks that go there are just looking for the sign up button, especially when there are backend tasks that could be worked on and/or flash tickers to build, is not the best use of time.

It has to look professional, it has to make sense, but it will never be that be-all end-all Ron Paul conversion factory...let's just let it focus on the one thing we are actively depending on it for and leave the rest to the folks that want to build their own little contribution to the campaign effort.
 
I just don't see why we need multiple sites. Besides a boost to the website owner's ego, it serves no purpose..
There wasn't multiple sites for November 5th and look what happened. If you think you can make a better site for teaparty07.com, then by all means do it and let the best one win. But these people who keep making the alternate Tea Party sites have been horrendous, and thus the reason we're not using them.
 
I just don't see why we need multiple sites. Besides a boost to the website owner's ego, it serves no purpose..
There wasn't multiple sites for November 5th and look what happened. If you think you can make a better site for teaparty07.com, then by all means do it and let the best one win. But these people who keep making the alternate Tea Party sites have been horrendous, and thus the reason we're not using them.

We don't need multiple sites.
 
We don't need multiple sites.
Jordan, honestly you've been the one that's creating a hundred sites trying to be the next Trevor. Sorry bro to call you out, but come on enough is enough. We obviously didn't like your sites for the official teaparty07.com so why keep pushing everyone to support yours?
 
Bacon:

Actually, there were multiple sites for November 5th. There were multiple flyers and YouTube videos also. They all pointed to ThisNovember5th.com

That's the same system I'm advocating here.

The internet is much more than a series of tubes. There WILL be multiple sites promoting TeaParty07.com. These multiple sites, thousands of them, will point to TeaParty07.com. Maybe there will be some that mention the mass donation day but don't link to the website. The crucial point is that there's nothing you or I can do about that. People will make websites and they will say what they want to say. It's a beautiful thing. We can't stop it. That's how Ron Paul is doing as well as he's doing.
 
I think the primary output of this thread is when work can stop on the look and feel of teaparty07.com and we can figure out how to start working on getting the word out about it.
 
Jordan, honestly you've been the one that's creating a hundred sites trying to be the next Trevor. Sorry bro to call you out, but come on enough is enough. We obviously didn't like your sites for the official teaparty07.com so why keep pushing everyone to support yours?

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Can you read? I'm pushing everyone to support Trevor's site. Let me quote myself:

We don't need multiple sites.

I had one site that I redirected as soon as Trevor had his up.

Do I not have the right to point out the things I think we could improve upon? Or does the fact that I run a different site which has to do with congressional elections which might help Ron Paul get some of his message passed as President somehow mean that I'm "stealing" people from a fundraiser on the 16th?
 
Wait, weren't you the one who registered ondecember16th.com and tried to convince everyone to use your site instead of teaparty07.com?
 
Wait, weren't you the one who registered ondecember16th.com and tried to convince everyone to use your site instead of teaparty07.com?

No, I was the one that registered ondecember16th.com and asked everyone if they thought it would be better to integrate our sign up forms and provide two different flavors of promotion for the same thing.

And then I was the one that redirected the site when people overwhemlingly told me to stop "trying to be famous" or some bull like that.

If I come off as a bit miffed, it's not because my site wasn't "chosen", it's because people chose to attack me personally for even attempting to do what I could to hepl a cause I believed in.

Well, believe in...
 
The idea that I presented in my original post will clear up all these issues and prevent similar ones from cropping up.

The internet is a powerful tool. Let's use it. TeaParty07.com is going to be huge. It's going to get many more pledges than ThisNovember5th did, mostly because it's a proven model.

I'm thinking of the big picture... how can we set up the system to be most efficient? We simply need to get out of people's way and let them promote TeaParty07.com in whatever way they see fit.

The most effective way to do this is to have the pledge counter and a basic explanation of the mass donation day on the pledge page, and the part about "inflation tax" and the Federal Reserve on a different page within the site. So people who are excited about explaining the inflation tax can link to the inflation tax part, and people who want to focus on a different issue can explain it however they like on their own page and then link to the pledge page at TeaParty07.com
 
The idea that I presented in my original post will clear up all these issues and prevent similar ones from cropping up.

The internet is a powerful tool. Let's use it. TeaParty07.com is going to be huge. It's going to get many more pledges than ThisNovember5th did, mostly because it's a proven model.

I'm thinking of the big picture... how can we set up the system to be most efficient? We simply need to get out of people's way and let them promote TeaParty07.com in whatever way they see fit.

The most effective way to do this is to have the pledge counter and a basic explanation of the mass donation day on the pledge page, and the part about "inflation tax" and the Federal Reserve on a different page within the site. So people who are excited about explaining the inflation tax can link to the inflation tax part, and people who want to focus on a different issue can explain it however they like on their own page and then link to the pledge page at TeaParty07.com

Well I already wrote the pledge counter software for the site I was originally running. I'll share it with Trevor if he wants it... I already floated the idea to him before and he didn't seem too interested.
 
If we (about 30,000+) all get 10 people to commit to 12-16 our day will be a huge success. www.teaparty07.com - get them (your name list) to sign your pledge sheet and sign up at the website. Follow up with your name list a few times to answer any questions about our platform.

This requires many signs, door to door, leaving a trail of slim jims, phone calls, bumper stickers, RP t-shirts, meetup group activities etc.

So let's each get to to commit to 12-16, this will take work, but it needs to be done. Get 100 if you can, but we can each get 10 people in 1 month to save our constitution, can't we?
 

lol, did you notice i snuck that 'we' in there? first i rob your images and then i rob credit for the work you and everyone else have done on the site.

PS. Trevor, would it be difficult to set up a page that does nothing but spit out the current number of folks enrolled for the Tea Party? (As in no HTML or anything)

Thanks!
 
lol, did you notice i snuck that 'we' in there? first i rob your images and then i rob credit for the work you and everyone else have done on the site.

PS. Trevor, would it be difficult to set up a page that does nothing but spit out the current number of folks enrolled for the Tea Party? (As in no HTML or anything)

Thanks!

He's using feedburner. Feedburner has a widget that spits out the number of subscribers. I believe there's a lag to the number being updated so maybe that's why he didn't put it up. That would certainly make it autopilot. It looks like this:

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