Discussion: Marc Scaringi or Sam Rohrer

[HigherVision]

How fortunate are we to have 2 great liberty candidates in Sam and Mark? Sam has the clear advantage when it comes to taking Casey down. Gee, it's not like we would be voting for the lesser of two evils, or holding our nose and pulling the lever. My priority is getting Casey out and Sam is our best shot.

Fortunate unless it splits the libertarian vote, and we end up getting an establishment repub as usual! So I agree on piling on to Rohrer.

 

[liberalnurse]

100% agree. As I said in an earlier post that is my fear as well. The vote gets split. I was talking to our District manager for Sam's campaign and she remarked that she hopes that they (Mark and Sam) can come to some kind of an agreement prior to the primary.

 

[jeremiah89]

Rohrer Signs on to 9-9-9

Oh God, really? Not this 9-9-9 stuff again...

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Rohrer Signs on to 9-9-9

Oh God, really? Not this 9-9-9 stuff again...

“I applaud the efforts of Herman Cain to think outside the box as a way to design a plan for much needed comprehensive tax reform,” Rohrer stated. “Federal and state governments have for too long remained locked into tax policies that are often antiquated, inefficient and ultimately destructive to the free-market enterprise system and economic growth.”

That is basically what Ron Paul said if I recall.

Telling Herman kudos for wanting to scrap the system is all.

 

[trey4sports]

its still too early to tell who is going to catch fire IMO. Give it some time...

 

[69360]

Rohrer Signs on to 9-9-9

Oh God, really? Not this 9-9-9 stuff again...

WHAT? Well that made up my mind. It's Scaringi for me now.

 

[jeremiah89]

I guess I do have to confess that I never really looked into Herman Cain's plan. I never saw him as a serious candidate, and the fact that he always mentioned it just turned me off to even considering it. I guess I have some research to do now. My gut reaction wasn't good, though.

 

[tbone717]

 

[tbone717]

I guess I do have to confess that I never really looked into Herman Cain's plan. I never saw him as a serious candidate, and the fact that he always mentioned it just turned me off to even considering it. I guess I have some research to do now. My gut reaction wasn't good, though.

I have looked it over, and my biggest issue with it was that it created a national sales tax as well as a flat income tax. I feel it should be one or the other (personally I am a fan of a flat rate). Nonetheless, it does address the issue of simplifying the tax code which is the short term goal for libertarian-conservatives.

 

[HigherVision]

“I applaud the efforts of Herman Cain to think outside the box as a way to design a plan for much needed comprehensive tax reform,” Rohrer stated. “Federal and state governments have for too long remained locked into tax policies that are often antiquated, inefficient and ultimately destructive to the free-market enterprise system and economic growth.”

That is basically what Ron Paul said if I recall.

Telling Herman kudos for wanting to scrap the system is all.

No it sounds like he's completely for it: "Rohrer and Waga bring the number of candidates for federal office in 2012 who have adopted the ’9-9-9′ Economic Recovery and Jobs Program and pledged to enact it into law to nearly 30."

If that's incorrect than Rohrer should release a statement saying so.

 

[tbone717]

No it sounds like he's completely for it: "Rohrer and Waga bring the number of candidates for federal office in 2012 who have adopted the ’9-9-9′ Economic Recovery and Jobs Program and pledged to enact it into law to nearly 30."

If that's incorrect than Rohrer should release a statement saying so.

Is there anything in 999 that we would be against ideologically? The way I recall, and it has been a while since I looked at it, it was sort of a hybrid between fair tax and flat tax.

 

[tbone717]

Just found the summary of it on Cain's site:

Removes all payroll taxes and unites all tax payers
Provides the least incentive to evade taxes and the fewest opportunities to do so
Lifts a $430 billion dead-weight burden on the economy due to compliance, enforcement, collection, etc…
Is fair, simple, efficient, neutral, and transparent
Ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors
Features zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits
Exports leave our shores without the Business Tax or the Sales Tax embedded in their cost, making them world class competitive. Imports are subject to the same taxation as domestically produced goods, leveling the playing field.
Lowest marginal rates on production
Kills the Death Tax
Allows immediate expensing of business investments
Eliminates double taxation of dividends
Increases capital formation which aids capital availability for small businesses
Increased capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth
Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to renew our inner cities
The pro-growth, pro-job, pro-export economic policies of the 9-9-9 PLAN equals a strong dollar policy
Ultimately replaces individual and corporate income taxes
Ends the IRS as we know it and repeals the 16th Amendment

 

[HigherVision]

Peter Schiff said it was a bad deal for poor and working class because it would effectively raise their taxes:



He starts criticizing it at 5:11

 

[tbone717]

I think they may have addressed that: "Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone." Maybe this is in response to the criticism.

Trust me, I am not for it or against it, just trying to figure it out.

 

[69360]

It's regressive and hurts poor people like me. It's a total starter, if Rohrer is really for this, he's not getting my vote. I'd even vote for Casey in the general against Rohrer, that's how much it pisses me off.

I don't currently pay any payroll tax being self employed. 999 would mean I now have to pay a federal sales tax on all my purchases.

 

[tbone717]

It's regressive and hurts poor people like me. It's a total starter, if Rohrer is really for this, he's not getting my vote. I'd even vote for Casey in the general against Rohrer, that's how much it pisses me off.

I don't currently pay any payroll tax being self employed. 999 would mean I now have to pay a federal sales tax on all my purchases.

Well if the logic behind the sales tax aspect is similar to the fair tax people, you are already paying that tax on purchases, it is just hidden in the cost of goods and services. Being self employed myself I know this to be the case, because the minimum mark up I put on a product that I sell takes into account the fact that I have to pay tax on my income. When I read the fair tax book several years ago, they claimed that the prices of goods would not increase because when the hidden tax is removed the price would go down. At least that is how I recall it.

 

[69360]

Well if the logic behind the sales tax aspect is similar to the fair tax people, you are already paying that tax on purchases, it is just hidden in the cost of goods and services. Being self employed myself I know this to be the case, because the minimum mark up I put on a product that I sell takes into account the fact that I have to pay tax on my income. When I read the fair tax book several years ago, they claimed that the prices of goods would not increase because when the hidden tax is removed the price would go down. At least that is how I recall it.

You're assuming that sellers would lower the price of goods to reflect their lower costs. They won't.

 

[tbone717]

You're assuming that sellers would lower the price of goods to reflect their lower costs. They won't.

If it means being competitive I would. If I can get the business by lowering my price, I do it. Do it all the time in fact. But there is a point where I will walk away from business if I am not making enough of a margin. I don't have to do that often, but I have passed on some orders because there isn't enough margin.

 

[HigherVision]

 

[Shane Harris]

it introduces a new tax. no thank you