Discouraged by Stupidity.....

They're not idiots, they're fellow Americans.

How do you educate them? One at a time, as long as it takes.

Hang out and do what you enjoy for a while. Charge your batteries. We need you in a positive frame of mind, and never underestimate the power of what you're telling people. You'll be surprised how a small seed can grow. Most of us here can attest.

Bosso
 
romeshomey said:
AMaybe it isn't the school systems, maybe its the genes.
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I think it has more to do with the comfort level of one's life, and also their exposure to the truth during that life, than IQ or genes.

Also, it takes a long time to break down the barriers that get built over the years. I am a case in point. It's a long story but I got my first bit of truth in 1993, but it wasn't until 1997 when I was seriously wronged that I started to research things for myself and found that I really was an ignorant bastard.

It took an almost catastrophic event in my life to wake me up, otherwise I might still be walking around, fat, dumb and happy.

I'm not stupid. In fact, I am borderline genius, which explains my eccentricity at times. :)

Your efforts may well be the seed that gets planted in the minds of all of those "stupid" folks, the equivalent of my 1993 encounter with truth.

And maybe next year, or next week they will find themselves in dire circumstance with the law (civilly or criminally) asking, don't I have some kind of rights? And maybe then they will actually READ the US Constitution looking for those rights, and with that hunger for the truth, actually find that the life they had been... I don't want to say living... it's more like following, all those years was a big fat lie.

Once you see the truth on paper, in black and white, in the form of the Constitution, you see that every politician you ever heard, and every media talking head you ever watched on TV had lied to you. It is a big, cold, wet slap in the face. But now, everyone that had tried to enlighten you, and that you had thought were the crazies, you see plain as day were actually the truth tellers.
 
Bossobass said:
They're not idiots, they're fellow Americans.

How do you educate them? One at a time, as long as it takes.

Hang out and do what you enjoy for a while. Charge your batteries. We need you in a positive frame of mind, and never underestimate the power of what you're telling people. You'll be surprised how a small seed can grow. Most of us here can attest.

Bosso
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+1

If Neo was angrily told to eat the red pill, or told that he was stupid for not taking the red pill.... do you think he would take the red pill?

Nope, he was intrigued and coaxed into it. His mindset had to be ready to take that leap.
 
romeshomey said:
I am so discouraged today. I am not sure if I have it in me to argue with one more stupid person right now until I get some R&R. My head hurts.

I just cannot believe the amount of ignorance in this country and the large population of ignorant people. I am not even sure you could knock common sense into them with a sledge hammer.

Anyhow, had to get that off my chest as I am about to pull all of my hair out, and my eye lashes, just so I don't have to feel the pain in my head from arueing with idiots.
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Know your audience. Be quick to tell if you're getting somewhere or you're just fighting the windmills. If you tell people facts and places to find more facts and they consciously ignore them, move on. Can't convert everyone.
 
I want to ad that talking about the constitution and talking about following it are all well and good, but most people have never read it. The only thing they know about it is what the media, and the pols and courts through the media tell them.

It may take showing them a copy and showing them the part about congress declaring war, or what the presidents duties are, or the powers actually vested in congress, or where it talks about coinage, the bill of rights, etc. The truth is in there.
 
romeshomey said:
Maybe that prediction that the human race would split and we would have a two races, one intelligent, and one dense and stupid has come to a reality much sooner than expected.
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Cool, maybe the government can split too--they can have Mc100 and we can have Ron Paul.
 
SVS2K said:
+1

If Neo was angrily told to eat the red pill, or told that he was stupid for not taking the red pill.... do you think he would take the red pill?

Nope, he was intrigued and coaxed into it. His mindset had to be ready to take that leap.
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Nothing like disrupting the carrier signal to pinpoint your location. Then ya know where ya bloody well stand.

HTH
Randy
 
It is frustrating-and I've found that more often than not, it is THEY who start the arguing.:mad:

My mother-in-law is a prime example. Right after Nov. 5th, she was at my house, and my wife and I took the opportunity to show her a Ron Paul video or two...She was saying "yep", "yep...that's right!" to nearly everything she heard the Dr. say.
Even about the war....and then she pulls the "Well, Paul(me), that's good that we're over there, otherwise we'd be fighting them over here..."comment out of her ass:eek::confused:

I was like WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?! (Not out loud, of course) Did you not just hear what was on the video??? Did you not just agree with evrything you just heard, and now that comment???

Then she started attacking ME, talking to me like I didnt have a clue about what was going on.:eek: I had to politely remind her that I'm in the military, and have been in operations in direct support of this war, and will be part of the FIRST response to an attack IF some sort of small water-borne terrorist attack occured in the Florida Panhandle. Then she says, "You obviously have'nt been watching the news, have you...":mad:

Some people are just not talking to about these things, she's lost.
 
I think a lot of people have become very comfortable with the beLIEfs they have.

The misinformation and propaganda that is repeated and reinforced on a daily basis... through the media... has become fact for them... because it's presented in simple, easy to digest bits. Even if it makes no logical sense.

I don't think arguing with these people is very effective. You almost have to lead them to the truth slowly. And find out what it is about Ron Paul's message they can relate to and identify with. Then, when you find something, you'll see that a spark is lit. And they start to get it.

Case in point. I was speaking to an elderly gentleman about Ron Paul's foreign policy... and about his plan to bring the troops home. It wasn't till I got to mentioning that Ron Paul also wants to bring home troops from Germany and Korea that the spark was lit.

The gentleman himself stopped me and said.. "Hell we've had troops in Korea for 50 damn years!"

Exactly! I said... and then he wanted to hear more about Ron Paul. But up till that point, it was like arguing with Bill O'Reilly.
 
Purchase or Rent the movie "Idiocracy".
Have a few drinks, or bowls, with your target audience/friends.
Make it a party.
Watch this movie, then fire up a few RP videos.
Sometimes folks just need to see stupidity/sanity side by side to understand.
Got a few converts this way. Hope it helps, or have a another drink.
 
Enzo said:
I think a lot of people have become very comfortable with the beLIEfs they have.

The misinformation and propaganda that is repeated and reinforced on a daily basis... through the media... has become fact for them... because it's presented in simple, easy to digest bits. Even if it makes no logical sense.

I don't think arguing with these people is very effective. You almost have to lead them to the truth slowly. And find out what it is about Ron Paul's message they can relate to and identify with. Then, when you find something, you'll see that a spark is lit. And they start to get it.

Case in point. I was speaking to an elderly gentleman about Ron Paul's foreign policy... and about his plan to bring the troops home. It wasn't till I got to mentioning that Ron Paul also wants to bring home troops from Germany and Korea that the spark was lit.

The gentleman himself stopped me and said.. "Hell we've had troops in Korea for 50 damn years!"

Exactly! I said... and then he wanted to hear more about Ron Paul. But up till that point, it was like arguing with Bill O'Reilly.
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Yes!!!! This is such an important principle. You can't force someone to learn...all you can do is motivate them to educate themselves. This is why angry emails, arguing, talking down to people, etc. will never get results.

Thanks Enzo!
 
I recently met some dude online who's absolutley convinced that Fundamentalist Jihadism is the most dangerous threat facing America today. I keep saying that our foreign policy is the cause of the spread of this extreme idea, that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. But he either dismisses me as ignorant/uniformed or just changes the subject. He's also convinced that the U.S. needs to invade and democratize "states that sponsor terrorists". He's a former Fred supporter and thinks if Paul is elected the U.S. will be overrun by terrorists or something. At first I tried convincing him, using logic and reason but I soon realized this approach would never work so I'm trying something new.

Now when I chat with I'm genuinely intrigued by his position and let him explain the reasoning behind all of his beliefs. Shockingly he has a strong set of beliefs and what he believes to be historical president to back up his position. However he is slightly wrong, dead wrong, or just plain ignorant on most of the history. BUT the key thing is, I'm at least learning what the reasoning is and where it comes from. Listening to him talk simply allows me to refine my own position were I to meet someone who thinks like him, but is more on the fence, or likely to be swayed, I can now convince them that much better because I can attack the root of their beliefs.

Just like we're die-hard Paul fans, there's some die-hard neo-con fans out there. Nobody, is ever going to convince us to side with another candidate come hell or high water. It's only reasonable to expect that people with opposing viewpoints exist who are just as stubborn (even if their position is a weak and fallacious one).
 
constituent said:
hmmm..... maybe it's the arguing.

no one is stupid, some people are ignorant, mostly disinterested
or not in the right frame of mind.

you don't help anyone, not yourself, ron paul nor the people you
encounter by bringing that sorta perspective into human interaction.

in fact, it's a good way to enourage people to distance themselves from you
and the positions that you take.




...again, they are not stupid. rather, you are lacking in perspective.
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I was wondering why I have seen so many negative and condescending posts from you on here. Then I realized that it's because you have nearly 5,000 posts and every one of them is negative or condescending.
 
AlbemarleNC0003 said:
I don't think it's stupidity. They want the same things, a safe and prosperous nation. They're just misinformed and stubborn. If they don't come around after a few minutes, walk away. They will eventually, but maybe the next Paul supporter they meet will be the one that gets them. It does happen, but not in a day.
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theres alot of smart people too in this country. they want to see if Paul can take the heat before they put their weight behind him.
 
RobS said:
I hear you. There are a lot of idiots out there, but it is very important to never get angry with them. Just keep the pressure up on them, always sending videos, editorials, information etc.

People do eventually come around.
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I agree, keep on trying, even with intelligent people it takes 6 months to deprogram them.
 
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