Didn't Vote For Trump In 2016...Now Voting For Him In 2020

[eleganz]

Blaming liberty folks, instead of the morons who want to oust Amash, et al, will always guarantee and yield more tyranny.

Your philosophy is equivalent to blaming God for idiots murdering innocents. People had better wake up and start standing on solid ground.

This is to you as well, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ;-)

To be perfectly clear, yy philsophy is #STANDwithRAND. A pity yours isn't.


Fact: Justin chose to run third party and ended that campaign when it was no longer viable. He wasted the monetary and human capital put into getting him elected, on some emotions that he couldn't control. Nobody wants to oust Rand, he is as popular as ever. Massie easily won his primary with 81%.

Your failed non-logic doesn't work here.

I am an Agorist immeasurably difficult and only want my ideology to stay within the same small circle forever as expanding the tent only makes me less special

Fixed.

 

[PAF]

To be perfectly clear, yy philsophy is #STANDwithRAND. A pity yours isn't.


Fact: Justin chose to run third party and ended that campaign when it was no longer viable. He wasted the monetary and human capital put into getting him elected, on some emotions that he couldn't control. Nobody wants to oust Rand, he is as popular as ever. Massie easily won his primary with 81%.

Your failed non-logic doesn't work here.

Your support for the corporate statist states logic does not work on me. Have fun voting for other people representing you. I’ll be fine under the radar, and will take pride not “voting” Fascism versus Communism.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Blaming liberty folks, instead of the morons who want to oust Amash, et al, will always guarantee and yield more tyranny.

Your philosophy is equivalent to blaming God for idiots murdering innocents. People had better wake up and start standing on solid ground.

This is to you as well, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ;-)

How so?

I am not blaming anybody for anything, calling out names, accusing people of being traitors or what have you.

I've stated my reasons for doing what I am doing, based on facts and a sense of urgency that comes with being under siege.

I hope others join me.

I don't think less of others who, in good faith, cannot take part in doing so, although I do tire of being preached at as if I was a heretical sinner.

I am very, very, very aware of the moral conundrum of taking part in what is clearly a rigged system or "choosing" a choice that leads to same ends, more government and more tyranny.

I am not voting "for" Trump, any more than most people are voting for the Can O' Spam® Biden.

I am taking a small, tiny blow at the forces that are arrayed against Trump and by extension, me. The Marxist meatheads, the Billionaire Bolsheviks, the Jacobin jerkoffs, the Three Bong Hit Earth Saviors, the Malignant Malthusians, the Electric Haired Harpies, the Globalist Googans, the Complaining Coloreds and all of their hangers-on, and fellow travelers and media organs and sycophants in government, and in churches, and in corporate AmeriKa. Trump has all the right enemies, in other words.

 

[PAF]

How so?

I am not blaming anybody for anything, calling out names, accusing people of being traitors or what have you.

I've stated my reasons for doing what I am doing, based on facts and a sense of urgency that comes with being under siege.

I hope others join me.

I don't think less of others who, in good faith, cannot take part in doing so, although I do tire of being preached at as if I was a heretical sinner.

I am very, very, very aware of the moral conundrum of taking part in what is clearly a rigged system or "choosing" a choice that leads to same ends, more government and more tyranny.

I am not voting "for" Trump, any more than most people are voting for the Can O' Spam® Biden.

I am taking a small, tiny blow at the forces that are arrayed against Trump and by extension, me. The Marxist meatheads, the Billionaire Bolsheviks, the Jacobin jerkoffs, the Three Bong Hit Earth Saviors, the Malignant Malthusians, the Electric Haired Harpies, the Globalist Googans, the Complaining Coloreds and all of their hangers-on, and fellow travelers and media organs and sycophants in government, and in churches, and in corporate AmeriKa. Trump has all the right enemies, in other words.

Take a hard stand. If you vote, vote locally where it should matter, and refrain from voting lobbyists who don’t give a flip about R or D and control both sides.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I do not make “deals” with enemies. I am an Agorist, so my conscience will be clear. If voting [giving your personal consent] makes you sleep better at night, that is on you.

I won't have a problem at all.

I'll be able to say that I put aside my personal concerns and I did all I could at that point (not sure what's coming later...every day the line in the sand gets closer).

 

[eleganz]

Your support for the corporate statist states logic does not work on me. Have fun voting for other people representing you. I’ll be fine under the radar, and will take pride not “voting” Fascism versus Communism.

You made a statement about Justin Amash getting ousted, and I rebutted exactly that. Now you want nothing to do with it after I responded, instead opting to change the topic to some retarded "under the radar" b.s. that you don't actually practice (you can lie to us but you can't lie to yourself).

Your failure to reason is showing up again. Not sure why anybody that comes at me ends up back pedaling just like you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Take a hard stand. If you vote, vote locally where it should matter, and refrain from voting lobbyists who don’t give a flip about R or D and control both sides.

Well, funny you should say that, as my efforts this go around have been focused on the NH gov, EC, senate and house races.

Hard to tell where things stand, as local races don't get polled, but we managed to get a confirmed leftist woman to drop out of the race, and hopefully she will be replaced by a very young and strong and "Ron Paulish" young man who is doing well.

 

[PAF]

You made a statement about Justin Amash getting ousted, and I rebutted exactly that. Now you want nothing to do with it after I responded, instead opting to change the topic to some retarded "under the radar" b.s. that you don't actually believe and practice.

Your failure to reason is showing up again. Not sure why anybody that comes at me ends up back pedaling just like you.

You are here to argue just as a past time. I am not interested in that. My goal is to try to convince people that they are free if they take the plunge, and to “Starve the State” which is the only way to End the Fed. Your way only perpetuates it, and again, I am not interested in that.

Sleep well, nighty night.

https://youtu.be/l3hgM16Eb8o

 

[enhanced_deficit]

The case is made rather well by Ben Shapiro

Had stopped listening to him ever since he attacked Obama using hate speech terms . More emotional than rational or America-Firster.
I would suggest paying attention only to media pundits who see American Prez's primary duty to safeguard America's interests and not of foreign countries.


Ben Shapiro: Obama White House is ‘borderline a Jew-hating administration’
July 11, 2014 by Tom Tillison

Truth Revolt editor Ben Shapiro held nothing back in offering a tough assessment of the Obama administration‘s response to the terrorist group Hamas attacking Israel, saying it’s a borderline “Jew-hating administration.”
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/...tration-130914

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1118888917238001665?lang=en


Folks like BS and TPUSA spirtual leader Prager are not alone though, this may also explain why various neoconservatives (right wing) have gone from "Never Trumpers" in 2016 to "very pro Trump" in 2020:

Top-neocon reverses course, says Trump's ‘most pro-Israel president ever’

NEXODUS: Neoconservatives from both parties joining GOP-Adelson (MAGA)

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[Anti Globalist]

I bet most of the people that aren't voting in this election secretly want Trump to win.

 

[tebowlives]

"wrong on character." $#@! this dude. Shapiro is a weasle, he isnt the person that will get his hands dirty to stand up for freedom, he isnt the man who will bare arms to fight for freedoms. HE ISNT anything but a $#@! head with a motor mouth. hows that for character.

Stop with the fake drama. Shapiro probably agrees with us on most domestic issues. Foreign policy is where he differs. It's always about policy.

 

[RonPaulRocksMyWorld]

My reasons are pretty much the same as Ben's. I also didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I sure as h3ll won't be voting against him in 2020.

Mainly, he started 0 new wars and "Covid caused the biggest government power grab worldwide and Trump has refused to do it."

Oh and the "Democrats have lost their f^%&ing mind."

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm an affirmed anti-statist. I understand that all of this is a charade.

There is such a thing as defensive voting. I don't always go along with that idea, but in our current circumstances, I consider what will come with a D victory in 2 weeks to be an existential threat - stage 4 cancer. For me, casting a vote other than for Ron is Right to Try. Give me 4 more years, plus or minus, to prepare for what these people will do. They have made their intentions clear to all who will but listen.

James Lindsay is voting for Donald Trump. So am I. I hate it as much if not more than he does, but my reasons are the same.

 

[ResponsibleIdiot]

I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against his enemies.

And I hate all the people that don't like his personality or say he's a clown. He is unapologetically politically incorrect, exhibits some masculine traits (alpha), and is not only able to defend himself in an interview, but he attacks when he senses the fake news is trying to pin him on something, or manipulate the questions and answers. I may not agree with everything he says or does, but he conducts himself like a winner.

Who are his enemies? Big media, big tech, leftists, feminists, woke people, sensitive people, overly emotional people, pansies, politicians from both aisles, and most importantly (for me) libertarians who want to be included in leftist circles. I don't understand why libertarians try to win over people who have completely antithetical views to libertarianism. I come to realize that lefties (not the establishment democrats) don't necessarily dislike wars, they just dislike what they think are the "wrong" wars. Just wait till they find the right war.

Even Rand Paul is on Trump's side. They don't agree on every issue, but I KNOW Rand knows that the other side cannot be reasoned with, they just need to be stopped. He knew that long before he and his wife got mobbed on the street after the RNC.

Understand that we are dealing with people that cannot be won over. Impossible. How much more evidence do you need? They need to be forced to live in reality.

 

[jmdrake]

Trumps been sniping at Fauci in the press these days. Looks like hes ready to get rid of Fauci (and others like Wray) but its too close to the election.

Those who aren't voting for Trump, at least you now have something in common with John Bolton.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...term-would-cause-quot-irreparable-damage-quot

John Bolton is not voting for Jo Jorgenson. And if you don't live in a battleground state, a vote for a third party candidate is not a vote for Biden.

 

[jmdrake]

Stop with the fake drama. Shapiro probably agrees with us on most domestic issues. Foreign policy is where he differs. It's always about policy.

In this case Ben agreed with Trump on everything, even the things that Ron Paul disagrees with Trump on (ending the Iran deal, killing Suilieamani etc). Ben thought it was good Trump hasn't started any new wars (good), and that Trump put ending ISIS over ending Assad (again good).

 

[jmdrake]

Well, funny you should say that, as my efforts this go around have been focused on the NH gov, EC, senate and house races.

Hard to tell where things stand, as local races don't get polled, but we managed to get a confirmed leftist woman to drop out of the race, and hopefully she will be replaced by a very young and strong and "Ron Paulish" young man who is doing well.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

 

[jmdrake]

How so?

I am not blaming anybody for anything, calling out names, accusing people of being traitors or what have you.

I've stated my reasons for doing what I am doing, based on facts and a sense of urgency that comes with being under siege.

I hope others join me.

I don't think less of others who, in good faith, cannot take part in doing so, although I do tire of being preached at as if I was a heretical sinner.

I am very, very, very aware of the moral conundrum of taking part in what is clearly a rigged system or "choosing" a choice that leads to same ends, more government and more tyranny.

I am not voting "for" Trump, any more than most people are voting for the Can O' Spam® Biden.

I am taking a small, tiny blow at the forces that are arrayed against Trump and by extension, me. The Marxist meatheads, the Billionaire Bolsheviks, the Jacobin jerkoffs, the Three Bong Hit Earth Saviors, the Malignant Malthusians, the Electric Haired Harpies, the Globalist Googans, the Complaining Coloreds and all of their hangers-on, and fellow travelers and media organs and sycophants in government, and in churches, and in corporate AmeriKa. Trump has all the right enemies, in other words.

If I lived in New Hampshire I would be voting for Trump. There! I said it! I'll never admit it outside of this forum. Here's a bit of good news. In 2008 I voted third party, but secretly hoped John "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" would lose because I saw his eagerness for war with Iran as a clear and present danger. In 2012 I voted third party, but secretly hoped Romney would lose because his Romneycare plan was the same as Obamacare and I thought he was a hypocrite to act like they weren't and because I had a douchebag in some of my law classes that looked like Romney and was a big time Romney supporter. (Yeah I can be petty like that). In 2016 I wrote in Ron Paul but secretly hoped Hillary would lose because Libya/Benghazi and because she was willing to risk WW III for a no fly zone over Syria. This time around? Biden wrote the MF bills that led to the mass incarceration that people are in part protesting against! Plus, as much as I can't stand the man, Trump as actually done some good things that Obama should have done. And Kamala Harris seems really dangerous. I mean really dangerous.

So...going by the "Drake hopes person X will lose" poll, that's been right every time in the general election since 2008, Trump will be re-elected. Now I've done jinxed it!

 

[Mordan]

Trump is a fighter.

Leftists say.. he fights corruption and mail-in voting because it benefits him..........................................

WTF. That triggers me so much. orange bad if he does... orange bad if he does not..

 

[RJB]

That whole statement is very similar to my overall outlook. As for what I bolded... There are times I wonder why I keep coming back here, but that's the answer. People are nuts out there. Aside from family and very close friends, I don't speak my mind or argue politics anymore. RPFs is my safety release valve

If I lived in New Hampshire I would be voting for Trump. There! I said it! I'll never admit it outside of this forum. Here's a bit of good news. In 2008 I voted third party, but secretly hoped John "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" would lose because I saw his eagerness for war with Iran as a clear and present danger. In 2012 I voted third party, but secretly hoped Romney would lose because his Romneycare plan was the same as Obamacare and I thought he was a hypocrite to act like they weren't and because I had a douchebag in some of my law classes that looked like Romney and was a big time Romney supporter. (Yeah I can be petty like that). In 2016 I wrote in Ron Paul but secretly hoped Hillary would lose because Libya/Benghazi and because she was willing to risk WW III for a no fly zone over Syria. This time around? Biden wrote the MF bills that led to the mass incarceration that people are in part protesting against! Plus, as much as I can't stand the man, Trump as actually done some good things that Obama should have done. And Kamala Harris seems really dangerous. I mean really dangerous.

So...going by the "Drake hopes person X will lose" poll, that's been right every time in the general election since 2008, Trump will be re-elected. Now I've done jinxed it!