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Hey, Jay here.

Couldn't have made it to New Hampshire, or Las Vegas, without your charitable donations.

There are some who are questioning whether it was worth it, or whether Roxi and I have in some way not held up our end of the bargain.

I am not terribly interested in my reputation in the online community, but I am very much interested in ensuring that each and every person who donated to us is comfortable with the money they sent.

If you sent money to us, please, please PM me and I will arrange to send you the money back in the coming months, after we have gotten our bearings back. I will not take no for an answer.

The only way that we can in good conscience ensure that each and every one of you is 100% satisfied is if we can ensure that it cost you nothing to help us.

P.S. I will figure in the inflation rate when returning payment.

Thanks again, the experience was certainly worth every penny that we spent ourselves.
 
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Yeah - someone had a lot of negative things to say... you should tell your side of the story -
 
Online reputations might not mean much, but someone did post your "story" here and a picture to go along with it. Might not be a bad idea to find the thread and respond. Your call.
 
Why don't you just pay back the poor guy that got stuck with the fee for the house?

That would be the honorable thing to do.
 
you should tell your side of the story -

i am physically and psychically spent, so it's hard to find the motivation to do so right now. Also, it would require showing the bad sides of people who don't really deserve to be outed publicly for what were mistakes made without malicious intent. At some point I feel I can diplomatically share a version of events from my perspective, but at this point, honestly, I'm pretty pissed off, and it wouldn't come out fairly.

for now, suffice to say I feel we have done nothing wrong, and my primary concern is ensuring a zero sum affair for those who have given us money directly.
 
Why don't you just pay back the poor guy that got stuck with the fee for the house?

That would be the honorable thing to do.

I am unaware of anyone who got stuck with fees that they are not morally and legally responsible for.
 
Whats the thread?

Just did a search and the thread has been removed. Probably because the OP posted the picture of the two individuals they were complaining about.

The main thing was that the two individuals had turned the house they were staying in into a party house and, in spite of agreeing not to, had been smoking in the house. The person paying for the lease on the house had promised the owner of the house no smoking would be allowed.

Also complaints about freeloading in general, drinking, and not willing to do much work.
 
The main thing was that the two individuals had turned the house they were staying in into a party house

How authoritarian would you be if others chose with their individual liberty to buy beer and put it in the fridge of a 'group home'?

The job of a house captain in this effort was a difficult one. I would not have been a good house captain myself, but luckily was not asked to be. I tried to provide options and suggestions, but I'm not one to be the authority. In hindsight, many, many mistakes were made throughout the operation. I will be beating myself up for the rest of my life over times I did not take a stand. It is too much for me to hear it from others as well.
 
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I am unaware of anyone who got stuck with fees that they are not morally and legally responsible for.

That's what the original poster said. I have no idea whether it's true or not.

Have you spoken to him?
 
The person paying for the lease on the house had promised the owner of the house no smoking would be allowed.

I lived in the house, and was not told this. Poor communication was rampant throughout. When everyone in the house was a smoker, we began smoking. When non-smokers moved in, we didn't smoke.
 
I lived in the house, and was not told this. Poor communication was rampant throughout. When everyone in the house was a smoker, we began smoking. When non-smokers moved in, we didn't smoke.

well now you know. Why don't you go straighten it out with him?:)
 
Have you spoken to him?

Like I say, communication breakdown is really at the core of all of the issues here. Both parties feel the other did not communicate enough/effectively.

I had a personal communication with Wes (a leaseholder) very early on in which I assured him that although we didn't have much in the way of resources now, I would do everything I could to make it right in time monetarily. It seemed to be adequate, but much has happened since. I truly feel that the way Roxi and I have been treated by the two leaves us no moral responsibility to make things right with them. They dug themselves a hole, tried to get us to bail them out, and when we refused to do what we did not think was fair, they began to slander us.

I know you all are quite interested in this little drama, and would love to hear more, but I am sorry, I MUST disassociate myself from this long enough to decompress. It has been truly INSANE dealing with this situation.

I repeat -- this has been INSANE. i.e. disregarding reality in favor of perceptions
 
well now you know. Why don't you go straighten it out with him?

all long term effects of smoking in an enclosed area were dealt with before we left. no yellowing occured, no smell remained, no ashes uncleaned.

a big problem is that non-smokers tend to be offended by smoke more than they are actually hurt by it. a practical non issue therefore became personal.

apologies were not accepted. money is all that seemed to be important.

i will admit readily that smoking in the house was an unwise choice. however, i think i will until death believe that that is only because other people got offended by it. not because it had any kind of real world detrimental effect on any other human being.

this is my rebel speaking, I know.

I was never asked to not smoke in the house, my decision was made based on whether it would be a big deal. I didn't think it would be, but now it is. That was my failure in foresight.
 
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i don't know what happened, but I know wes and he seems like a pretty decent guy.

I think both of you need to just put the bs behind you and work it out. If you smoked in the house and it was supposed to be non smoking then you should have to pay for the cleaning costs and/or sec. deposit

it was his name that was on the lease and his name that is tarnished by the disrespect used in staying at the house.

However it is equally his mistake for trusting someone enough to let them stay in a house when his name is on the lease and he is responsible for

all in all you guys should meet in the middle. both of you will still be mad but you can move on and both of you learn a very big lesson
 
we have spoken to the OP several times, she is spreading lies and half truths and making herself look like the victim here, which is utterly rediculous, the one thing i can say i did wrong is smoking in the house, i have already admitted that this was a huge mistake and i wish like hell i could take it back. i did everything i could to make it right, including spending a lot of time cleaning and airing out the house before we left, i have pictures of the house, it was left in better condition than when we got there and when we left there was no sign of smoke. i am fully aware of how big of a mistake it was that i allowed that to happen in the first place. the hampton house did have mostly younger volunteers in it, and after hours people did hang out drinking, you can ask anyone in the house and they will tell you, jay and i personally are not drinkers, in the 2 months i spent in new hampshire i think i may have had a total of 2 beers, usually i was the designated driver for after events.

the volunteers at the hampton house worked there butts off, and to imply that "not much work was done" is very offensive to all 12 of the people that stayed there. in the rye house people got up very early and started canvassing around 9 or so, then most of them were at home by 5 blogging or hanging out, our people didn't get out until around noon but we were out doing stuff until after midnight most nights, anyone who came to new hampshire could tell you that i answered the volunteer phone calls, i answered the volunteer emails, i picked up many of them at the airport, i made sure my people were busy being productive, i woke people up in the mornings with air horns and bangs on doors, i cooked many dinners and breakfasts for my volunteers, i played the role of peace keeper and babysitter many times, i worked harder in new hampshire than any job i have ever had in my life, i have given up 2 months of my life with my 5 year old daughter, i left my awesome house, and a good job in tulsa, plus some of the best friends i have ever had in tulsa to go to new hampshire, there are many, many people including campaign staffers that can vouch for how hard we worked here. here are 3 of the main campaign staffers in new hampshire, call any of them and ask them if we were a valuable asset in NH and i can bet they will tell you yes

norman tregenza, office manager
603-733-6736

andy deemers, NH field coordinator
603-703-1633

brinck slattery, seacoast regional coordinator
203-858-6315

also if there are any other questions about my side of the story, feel free to PM me or call me at 816-977-3724

laura and wes spent a lot of money in this venture and repeatedly tried to recoup their costs through the venues of other volunteers that were there. there were many house captains that told volunteers they had to chip in or set a specific amount per night or week that they were to pay the house captain to help with costs, i told each of my people if you can throw in anything fine, if not don't worry about it. we spent a lot of our own money and a lot of contributors money doing this, i offered to try to make it right with laura and wes, and instead of talking to me reasonably she screamed at me and hung up on me, refusing to talk like an adult, then while we were on the road she launched a full fledged smear campaign against us telling some truths, some half truths, and some outright lies, we have lost friends because of her, we have lost money because of her, and thanks to the people who know what kind of people we are and are willing to vouch for us, we aren't totally stranded.

you can believe whatever you want, i would think as ron paul supporters you wouldn't take what you hear at face value, but instead search for the actual truth if you are concerned, if none of this concerns you than ignore it, if it does concern you than feel free to contact me. im not denying that smoking in the house was inconsiderate, and a huge mistake, again i would give anything to take it back, but i can't, at this point i feel like giving up so much and working so hard was all for nothing. im trying to maintain a positive attitude and the people who know us and care about us have been a huge help. and please stop blaming vijay for any of this, vijay is one of the most caring, good hearted people out there and has done nothing wrong, he bit off more than he could chew doing this mission and it has caused him a world of headache that he doesn't deserve. vijay has remained as diplomatic as possible and the one thing i do regret is dissapointing him, if you ask him im sure he would tell you that aside from smoking in the house i was one of the people in this operation he could not have done it without. he has done the absolute best he could in this operation and i commend him for not losing his mind.

there are a great deal of people that have made this movement successful, i couldn't possibly begin to list them here, they know who they are and i hope someday they will be repaid for their services to this movement, for anyone involved in this mess im sorry for anything i have done to cause you a headache, but please remember i am not the kind of person who enjoys causing problems and any mistakes i have made have been without malicious intent. im not perfect but im a good person and nearly anyone who knows me can vouch for that.

im going home today, we have just enough to go home and every minute i spend here will cost us more, and because of laura's lies im sure no one will be interested in helping us out now and i can't afford to get stranded in vegas.

missouri's primary is feb 5th and im going to infiltrate the small towns there because NAIS, and farm subsidies is a huge issue with small town farmers, and there is still a huge chunk of that population still doesn't know who ron paul is. despite the heartache this has caused i will continue fighting for both ron paul, and the message of freedom and i will be available to help anyone that i can who is working in that area. since it takes 3 days to get home i will not be able to respond or defend myself for at least that long, anyone can feel free to call me if they wish, again my number is 816-977-3724
 
However it is equally his mistake for trusting someone enough to let them stay in a house when his name is on the lease and he is responsible for

The mistake was not allowing us to put our names on the lease when we asked them to.

Another mistake is to choose to leave a house in which your name is on the lease. The reason they did that? The other house was bigger and nicer. Our house became the house 'in exile'. If there was some kind of personality conflict in another house, the person who was deemed to be the cause of it was sent to live with us.

Wow, was it fun to be the house in exile, and now to be the people in exile.

All the while many of the other houses were multi-million dollar jobs with LIVE IN MAIDS.

Like I say, we feel we were treated EXTREMELY unfairly on practically every level by the folks who are now asking us to pay for damages which we are not responsible for or do not exist.

Has the landlord called us and asked for reparations for the smoking? No. Why? Because we are not on the lease. Why? Because Wes and Laura refused to provide the information necessary to get us on the lease, thereby giving us incentive to keep the house up. (Wes and Laura the people provided no incentive to me to do them right).

Regardless.... we spent all day cleaning that house. We left it in BETTER condition than it was left to us when Wes and Laura decided to 'move on up to the west side'.

Why would someone ask for half of the money for a deposit, but not be willing to ensure that you were contractually protected in getting it back?

My gosh, here I go.
 
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i don't know what happened, but I know wes and he seems like a pretty decent guy.

I think both of you need to just put the bs behind you and work it out. If you smoked in the house and it was supposed to be non smoking then you should have to pay for the cleaning costs and/or sec. deposit

it was his name that was on the lease and his name that is tarnished by the disrespect used in staying at the house.

However it is equally his mistake for trusting someone enough to let them stay in a house when his name is on the lease and he is responsible for

all in all you guys should meet in the middle. both of you will still be mad but you can move on and both of you learn a very big lesson


your right wes is a good guy i wouldn't necessarily involve him in this because this is between me and laura not anyone else really, why all of this is being aired in public is really beyond me, thats laura's immature side coming through. there are good and bad things to be said about pretty much everyone involved, at this point all i can say is i made a mistake, i tried to make it right, laura called me a liar, told me she was calling the cops and screamed at me, refusing to handle this like an adult, because laura has spread lies about this situation i feel if i am to give ANYONE money it will be vijay not laura
 
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