Did Rand Just Toss The White Vote Down the Drain?

Some people don't get it. Rand just isn't the type of candidate who would've been allowed to support the flag. He has already positioned himself as the Republican with the broadest appeal, willing to engage black voters. That's the brand that Rand has created around himself. This brand needs to be meticulously guarded and expressed. If the media can create the image that the brand doesn't match the product, it's game over for Rand.

Secondly, since he has already made what the media perceives as "gaffes" relating to black voters (his civil rights act comments), he's put under an extra large microscope in case he makes a repeated offence.

This is an issue that voters will forget about when they realize it's either a Republican in office or Hillary or even Sanders.
 
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Carlybee said:
It won't be forgotten about when they start renaming schools, streets, tearing down statues, etc.
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At which point I would expect Rand to say that, while he opposed the symbol used for hate from being used for the state flag, he does not support the efforts to remove Southern history and veterans from the history books, or something along those lines.

I hope you're wrong and things calm down as people get distracted by the next outrage of the month, but even if you're right, it doesn't mean that it's fair to tie Rand to the overreaction of this being more than just a state changing its flag.
 
thoughtomator said:
which brings us full circle as that is exactly the message the Confederate battle flag is intended to send to northern liberals
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Yes, it is. But there really is more to the story of that flag than just that.

The Gadsden Flag, on the other hand, sends the same message, but without all that other baggage.

We don't need the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia to get that message across. So far, we've done more to curb the New Progressive Tyranny without it than a billion beer-swilling rednecks have done by spending the last hundred years decorating their pickup trucks with it.
 
givemeliberty2010 said:
I also see no reason to think that most white Southern Republicans and independents care as strongly about keeping the flag as black people feel offended by it.
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That is where you are wrong. Blacks really don't care about the flag much at all. The issue is being driven entirely by the Northeastern based Liberal MSM because they hate Southern White people. And Southern Whites know this better than anybody. It was a dumb move by Rand. Twice now he's been hit hard on issues like this because the day after he pulls his SJW stunt, the whole thing blows up in to a shytstorm of crazy (first in Ferguson with the unsavory details about the "victim's" strong arm robbery minutes before the shooting coming out right after Rand opened his mouth and now the Walmart, Amazon and the Left wanting to literally dig up graves the day after Rand speaks out) and you can say that is bad luck but it really isn't, because anybody with half a brain would have anticipated what was going to happen.

The most pressing issue for any GOP candidate that wants to win is first and foremost unify the white vote behind him. Rand not only hasn't done a good job of appealing to the working class whites the GOP desperately needs to win back in Ohio and Iowa and Pennsylvania, but he's actually losing the GOP core of the Deep South as well. Campaign needs to get back on track fast. Right now, Trump has a better chance of being President than Rand.
 
I don't think this is too much of a problem yet. But you know there are going to ask questions about the CBF during the debates. It could cost him votes if he doubles-down. More people will be paying attention then also.
 
If race baiting were still a viable strategy, the Democratic Party would still be offering up George Wallace types as they did for years and years, and all the racists would still be Yellow Dog Democrats.

This whole conversation is just stupid. Just as the Stormfronters hoped it would be.
 
acptulsa said:
If race baiting were still a viable strategy, the Democratic Party would still be offering up George Wallace types as they did for years and years, and all the racists would still be Yellow Dog Democrats.
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Racebaiting has been the cornerstone of Democratic Electoral strategy for the past decade and pretty much the only card they have to play in national elections.
 
RonPaulMall said:
Racebaiting has been the cornerstone of Democratic Electoral strategy for the past decade and pretty much the only card they have to play in national elections.
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Race baiting has been the Democratic Party strategy in some parts of the nation for some odd two hundred years.

LBJ, who no one ever accused of being a nincompoop when it comes to reading his electorate, switched from pandering to racists to pandering to those opposed to racism the very moment the nation evolved to the point where that worked better. That is the whole difference. Until then, in The South, George Wallace was business as usual for that party.

These Stormfronters are here specifically for the purpose of talking us into adopting a losing strategy--or, failing that, to pretend they're us so casual observers will think we're as bad as they are. But mostly, they're here to distract people from the fact that Slick Willie Clinton did indeed make the form of cocaine most often used by people of color--specifically crack--punishable by some five times as lengthy prison terms or worse. The Democratic Party's great affection for minorities really is only skin deep.
 
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ThePaleoLibertarian said:
Rand made a mistake with his full-throated condemnation of the flag. I understand that he can't come out in support of it, but he should've tried to play the middle ground here. He should have talked about how he understands the animosity blacks have toward the symbol, but that it doesn't mean that it's an inherently racist symbol and that the decision to take it down should be left to the state legislatures, not a bunch of loudmouths in New York and California. Rand needs to cultivate support from white Southerners; the idea that he'll get the black vote is an absurd pipe dream that even he doesn't genuinely believe.
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But his comments might help get the white female hippie liberal vote, they vote republican right?
 
bxm042 said:
But his comments might help get the white female hippie liberal vote, they vote republican right?
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White female hippies are sixty years old by now, and some of them do indeed vote Republican. When they can find a Republican worth voting for.

So, are we contending that this demographic is the only one that could possibly be impressed? Are we contending that there are still no rank-and-file Republicans who want to win, and are beginning to figure out what sort of candidate can beat Clinton?

If the GOP wants to win, and if we want to win, we will all realize that talking about Miriam Carey--and thus exposing the Democratic Powers That Be for the thieves and elitists they really are--is not only our best strategy and the GOP's best strategy, but the only viable strategy.

That and, of course, remembering the immortal words of Slick Willie Clinton--'It's the economy, stupid.'



I must have said something that was true--the stormfronters stopped bumping this thread...
 
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TheGrinch said:
At which point I would expect Rand to say that, while he opposed the symbol used for hate from being used for the state flag, he does not support the efforts to remove Southern history and veterans from the history books, or something along those lines.

I hope you're wrong and things calm down as people get distracted by the next outrage of the month, but even if you're right, it doesn't mean that it's fair to tie Rand to the overreaction of this being more than just a state changing its flag.
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. Woman climbs flagpole, removes Confederate flag in front of SC Statehouse
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oves-confederate-flag-in-front-sc-statehouse/
 
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just in case anyone had the impression that Democrats race-baiting is anything new, allow me to apply my handy sledgehammer
 
acptulsa said:
Yes, it is. But there really is more to the story of that flag than just that.

The Gadsden Flag, on the other hand, sends the same message, but without all that other baggage.

We don't need the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia to get that message across. So far, we've done more to curb the New Progressive Tyranny without it than a billion beer-swilling rednecks have done by spending the last hundred years decorating their pickup trucks with it.
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Except if you read the tweets on this they are comparing the two. Please don't make me go there and dig them up, I did see them.
 
Origanalist said:
Except if you read the tweets on this they are comparing the two. Please don't make me go there and dig them up, I did see them.
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Well, of course they are. What else would they do? Did you expect them to do something honest?

Next they'll dig up the 'Unite or Die' poster and say the snake all cut up in that one is an endangered species.
 
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