Did Rand Just Toss The White Vote Down the Drain?

Mr.NoSmile said:
Because he's running for President, and as such, he's under a much larger scope of examination versus had he just remained a Senator and his words had no giant impact on the election race. But because he is, he's a Southerner, a Republican, a White male, he's already seen by those things alone as someone who wouldn't have an issue about the flag. And maybe he didn't. But saying such or even saying nothing, in the eyes of the public and possibly the media, would say he's fine with it. And with it being such a growing issue- I'm sorry, but you can't say you've no issue with the flag and not expect any sort of backlash. It's not always about pride when it comes to issues put front and center in the public eye. He may not even feel compelled to speak, but hell, the candidates will want to weigh in. Had they said something like 'There's more important things to talk about,' that might be valid, but this issue in South Carolina is what's being discussed right now.
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Well said!
 
More to the point he is a Texan who went away to college and then ended up getting married and raising a family in Kentucky.
Even more to the point, he's the junior senator of the state of Kentucky & the senior senator is the Majority Leader in the Senate.
Even more to the point, he running for the nomination of the Republican Party and knows that the gains made by the GOP in the
once solid South have been made at the expense of the New Deal coalition FDR put together at the height of the Great Depression.
 
Dianne said:
Rand needs to learn to keep his mouth shut !! Why does he feel compelled to speak out on every issue, every time. He needs to focus on his prize platform issues, and keep his nose out of everything else. Had to edit to say, I'm curious what Ron's answer to the Confederate Flag issue might be. If I remember correctly, Ron was for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, etc. I wonder right now, how the White House is ablaze with rainbow colors to support the Supreme's decision on same sex marriage. Many take offense to that.. After all, there are millions of tax payers who don't support the Supreme's decision, yet their tax dollars went to lighting up the White House as a Rainbow? Should we remove the White House?
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I don't think this would have worked unless Rand wanted to avoid all interviews. Even then, Rand was already taking some heat for not saying anything when the media first started making a big deal of it (then again, it is likely that it was mostly liberals that were doing it, who probably wouldn't vote for Rand anyways). When Rand did finally talk about it, it was because he was asked in an interview about his take on it, which was inevitable. If Rand said "no comment" to the interview in regards to the question it would have exploded in his face and the media would continue to hound him on it all campaign long and try to connect it to his civil rights act views.
 
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I am surprised that not one GOP candidate took the Jim Webb point of view. Webb is thinking about white southern Dems as he knows black vote is hopeless for him. this will not hurt Rand, as they all gave in, but it could have helped had he taken the Webb position. southern whites will decide the GOP nomination. and being PC to please black Dems who will not vote for him in the general either is not a long view, its a stupid view.
 
cindy25 said:
I am surprised that not one GOP candidate took the Jim Webb point of view. Webb is thinking about white southern Dems as he knows black vote is hopeless for him. this will not hurt Rand, as they all gave in, but it could have helped had he taken the Webb position. southern whites will decide the GOP nomination. and being PC to please black Dems who will not vote for him in the general either is not a long view, its a stupid view.
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but do you think GOP canidate whould not be willing to vote for him based on this single issuse
 
Mr.NoSmile said:
He may not even feel compelled to speak, but hell, the candidates will want to weigh in. Had they said something like 'There's more important things to talk about,' that might be valid, but this issue in South Carolina is what's being discussed right now.
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More compellingly, the media is hyping this as a race issue. He has been making some inroads into black communities across the country. You want to see the other party sweat, shift a few percent of that vote and solid Blue states with significant black communities like Maryland, Delaware, and Michigan (29 electoral votes total) go from being a solid lock to "in-play". Is there another candidate where that is even a remote possibility?

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cindy25 said:
...and being PC to please black Dems who will not vote for him in the general either is not a long view, its a stupid view.
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Of course black Dems won't. The goal is to flip the non-affiliated voters in the demographic.

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My brother is part of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and is involved in many Civil War reenactments as a confederate soldier.

He is also white.

He is also voting for Rand. And did not change his mind because of Rand's statement. Why? Because he understands that even though the perception of the confederate flag is wrong the media will not let a white Republican presidential contender get away with saying anything else.
 
I think the OP has it backwards. The question we should be asking is "does the white vote want to be subject to 4 more years of radical tyranny?", and if they plan on jumping ship over this, they will be answering this question with a loud YES. I just want all of my southern friends in liberty to understand, there are a fair number of us above the Mason-Dixon line that are sympathetic to you and are ashamed of what was done to your ancestors both during and immediately following the War of Northern Aggression, but there is a time for unfettered passion and a time for pragmatic calculation, and now is the time for the latter.

When in Rome, you either do as the Romans do, or you end up in the executioner's shadow. That is the state of things at present. It sucks, but it is what it is.
 
libertyplz said:
I don't think this would have worked unless Rand wanted to avoid all interviews. Even then, Rand was already taking some heat for not saying anything when the media first started making a big deal of it (then again, it is likely that it was mostly liberals that were doing it, who probably wouldn't vote for Rand anyways). When Rand did finally talk about it, it was because he was asked in an interview about his take on it, which was inevitable. If Rand said "no comment" to the interview in regards to the question it would have exploded in his face and the media would continue to hound him on it all campaign long and try to connect it to his civil rights act views.
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What did Jeb say about it?
 
fisharmor said:
If you are a conservative, and liberals tell you you have to do something because they said so, the only consistent conservative answer is "fuck off".
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...or possibly that placing so much importance on a symbol borders on idolatry.
 
My parents, white Midwestern conservatives, support Rand Paul's statements on the Confederate Flag.
 
I don't think it will hurt him too much, he is still by far their best option.
 
RonPaul4Prez2012 said:
I think so, I see nothing but disgust all over FB and other sites about his decision to support the removal of the Confederate flag.

It's all downhill from here. We are doomed. Dark days indeed. Another win for the liberals who want to destroy this country.
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What other sites are you referring to?
 
RonPaul4Prez2012 said:
I think so, I see nothing but disgust all over FB and other sites about his decision to support the removal of the Confederate flag.

It's all downhill from here. We are doomed. Dark days indeed. Another win for the liberals who want to destroy this country.
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Lost the white vote? Whites are not a minority in this country who tend to vote the same way, we are decidedly splitt, even moreso when it comes down to issues like this.

To state it like all white people are in support of keeping the Confederate flag, let alone even care about it, its just not so.

I am a Southern man who hates how this has been handled, but even I understand the perception of those who are deeply offended by it.

I can also tell you that Facebook and YouTube comments are not an actual reflection of public opinion, they're wastelands of idiots, trolls and schils who hide behind internet anonymity.

This will be forgotten about far before the election, so chin up and not make it a big deal like the race baiters want it to be.
 
TheGrinch said:
Lost the white vote? Whites are not a minority in this country who tend to vote the same way, we are decidedly splitt, even moreso when it comes down to issues like this.

To state it like all white people are in support of keeping the Confederate flag, let alone even care about it, its just not so.

I am a Southern man who hates how this has been handled, but even I understand the perception of those who are deeply offended by it.

I can also tell you that Facebook and YouTube comments are not an actual reflection of public opinion, they're wastelands of idiots, trolls and schils who hide behind internet anonymity.

This will be forgotten about far before the election, so chin up and not make it a big deal like the race baiters want it to be.
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It won't be forgotten about when they start renaming schools, streets, tearing down statues, etc.
 
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