Did anyone hear Medved today?

[evandi]

Oh please, I snipped what you said because it was a bunch of hot air. It must suck to be so sensitive.

You continue to completely miss the point. Is it asinine to judge a candidate by his supporters?

Maybe, but maybe not. Consider the media blackout. In this case, all voters have to go by is Ron Paul supporters. Suddenly it's not so asinine. It may be fun to (for example) make so much noise that Giuliani can't give an interview, but ultimately, it reflects poorly on Ron Paul.

You might be be correct when you (no, not you personally, roll with me here), as the example was given, shout about the NWO at caucus meetings. You could be completely, 100% accurate and factually correct. But if you sound crazy doing it, then again, it reflects poorly on Ron Paul.

In these examples, we're GREAT reasons not to vote for Ron Paul. And guess what? Such examples aren't uncommon at all. You would do well to consider that fact before mouthing off again.



Unfair and unreal? Dude, think. You'd think Ron Paul supporters of all people would be pros at this, but I'm frequently surprised.

Let's say there's an activity I like that I can't do by myself. I might look for a club that supports that activity. If I join the club only to find that the members are all a little bit weird I'm probably not likely to go back.

See where I'm going with this one?

Nobody's telling you to stop supporting Ron Paul. However, the criticism of Ron Paul by proxy is reasonable. For crying out loud, go read blog comments on a story critical of Paul. You can crow on about how those aren't "real" Ron Paul supporters until the cows come home. But we both know they are real.

The grassroots is Ron Paul's greatest ally and his worst enemy at the same time.

The criticism of Ron Paul by proxy is unreasonable, ridiculous and fallacious. These people want Ron Paul supporters to stop so that they will not hear from them, and you know it.

He will be nothing without our advocacy. Bloggers yell and scream and so did you, but all this time what you were talking about never existed. You were decrying people's "terrible" response to blogs when they were not acting as you claimed. You are in a fantasy world where you believe everything we're accused of and nothing we accuse others of. Shove it.

 

[Ron LOL]

No, you cut and paste that for effect. You only mentioned my steaming comments, but not my argument. weak. Then yet an ad hominem attack.

Then you claimed it was my comments that hurt Ron Paul, when you called people "retards"

So the part where I ignore your argument is the part where I responded to your argument, right? Just trying to clear this up...

I specifically argued that it's reasonable for uninformed voters to base their opinion of Ron Paul on his supporters given the media blackout.

Now you deny that that even matters, even though you were the one who and are still the defending MedVed when it is your comments MedVed could be referring to. I know I heard MedVed get angry at a caller who called someone a retard. So, it's you??

I mean this sincerely: did you actually read and understand my comments? They're consistent with one another.

And stop clinging to "tard." It has nothing to do with the discussion we're having. You're trying to use it to prove that I'm part of the problem I'm describing, but those directions are orthogonal.

Also, MedVed is not a moron, he knows the msm is trying to destroy Ron Paul and he knows he is not getting fair time so why would a fair guy bring that up? Because he HATES us and Ron Paul and would say anything if it were true or not to hurt us. Plus, he also knows RP supporters get a lot of slack, maybe just maybe those people who may or may not be threatening are not RP supporters, but in fact people trying to hurt RP. MedVed knows this. He is also supposed to be a smart guy, sorry, but only an idiot bases his vote on a supporter. Seriously, if you have been around people ever in your life, you know enough to know that all people are different, but it doesn't reflect who a presidential candidate might be or not be. It is ridiculous. A person in MedVed's position ought to realize his impact, I think he does and that is why he says it. Like RP can control shit like that.

What the hell is the deal with this fundamental unwillingness to believe that threatening e-mails come from "real" Ron Paul supporters? It's preposterous. Why would anybody waste their time writing fake death threats? It must be the NWO and the MSM trying to keep Ron Paul down, right?

I know no such thing about anyone and their blogs. I am sure you find the same thing across the board, but only Ron Paul gets mentioned because he threatens to bring down the institution that MedVed clearly depends on.

Dude, this is a well known fact. Ron Paul stories get picked up by the masses of Ron Paul supporters constantly refreshing a Google News search for "Ron Paul." Go read the comments for any major story critical of RP and witness the loads and loads of remarks trashing the author as being a "bought-and-paid-for neo-con warmonger establishment shill."

ron lol, have you ever taken stats?

I don't think it would hold any water at all to say we have more crazies with less supporters than the rest. Stats say that can't be true. The bigger the group the more crazies.

I'm a mechanical engineer. Six sigma is part of my job. I know a thing or two about statistics, and statistics has nothing to do with this argument. You want to believe that Ron Paul supporters come from the same population as, say, Obama supporters. ProTip: they don't.

The criticism of Ron Paul by proxy is unreasonable, ridiculous and fallacious. These people want Ron Paul supporters to stop so that they will not hear from them, and you know it.

He will be nothing without our advocacy. Bloggers yell and scream and so did you, but all this time what you were talking about never existed. You were decrying people's "terrible" response to blogs when they were not acting as you claimed. You are in a fantasy world where you believe everything we're accused of and nothing we accuse others of. Shove it.

The media blackout isn't the average voter's fault. Ron Paul's supporters should be a fair representation of his positions. This is a totally reasonable position. As such, if Ron Paul has some crazy supporters causing trouble, it's totally reasonable for somebody to decide not to vote for him for that reason.

You rightly point out that Ron Paul is nothing without our advocacy as the official campaign is utterly inept. However, I suggest you go read the comments section of any story critical of RP if you insist on telling me I'm living in a fantasy world. That is, unless you just want to apologize.

 

[evandi]

So the part where I ignore your argument is the part where I responded to your argument, right? Just trying to clear this up...

I specifically argued that it's reasonable for uninformed voters to base their opinion of Ron Paul on his supporters given the media blackout.


I mean this sincerely: did you actually read and understand my comments? They're consistent with one another.

And stop clinging to "tard." It has nothing to do with the discussion we're having. You're trying to use it to prove that I'm part of the problem I'm describing, but those directions are orthogonal.


What the hell is the deal with this fundamental unwillingness to believe that threatening e-mails come from "real" Ron Paul supporters? It's preposterous. Why would anybody waste their time writing fake death threats? It must be the NWO and the MSM trying to keep Ron Paul down, right?


Dude, this is a well known fact. Ron Paul stories get picked up by the masses of Ron Paul supporters constantly refreshing a Google News search for "Ron Paul." Go read the comments for any major story critical of RP and witness the loads and loads of remarks trashing the author as being a "bought-and-paid-for neo-con warmonger establishment shill."



I'm a mechanical engineer. Six sigma is part of my job. I know a thing or two about statistics, and statistics has nothing to do with this argument. You want to believe that Ron Paul supporters come from the same population as, say, Obama supporters. ProTip: they don't.



The media blackout isn't the average voter's fault. Ron Paul's supporters should be a fair representation of his positions. This is a totally reasonable position. As such, if Ron Paul has some crazy supporters causing trouble, it's totally reasonable for somebody to decide not to vote for him for that reason.

You rightly point out that Ron Paul is nothing without our advocacy as the official campaign is utterly inept. However, I suggest you go read the comments section of any story critical of RP if you insist on telling me I'm living in a fantasy world. That is, unless you just want to apologize.

I've read them. People say what they think. You're an idiot.

 

[Ron LOL]

I've read them. People say what they think. You're an idiot.

Grassroots, I hope you're taking notes. Remember, this attitude is what will win Ron Paul votes.

 

[evandi]

Grassroots, I hope you're taking notes. Remember, this attitude is what will win Ron Paul votes.

Ya, sometimes it will.

 

[Ron LOL]

Ya, sometimes it will.

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Extrapolating based on the results so far, there are at least 1 million Ron Paul supporters across the country. OF COURSE some of them will be crazy or go overboard.

 

[evandi]

Maybe it should have the title, "How to promise something you can't deliver."

 

[BreakYourChains]

And i'm sure McCain and Obama and Hillary and Romney supports are just fantstic and well behaved? Treat thsoe candidates the way Ron Paul has been treated and lets see how many crazies come out of the woodwork for them. it would be tons.

Well, yes, unfortunately, they are all probably pretty well behaved. But, this is easy to understand - they are sheep, and do not think! We are wide awake and thinking, and can understand the ramifications of all of this. They have no idea....

 

[billyjoeallen]

Back to Medved: He's a college friend of Hillary. Formerly a radical leftist, he's a neocon in every sense of the word. He has ties to AIPAC, the main part of the Israel lobby and he constantly calls Ron Paul that guy with the "Nazi Blimp." I used to live in Seattle and I liked his movie reviews, but I have his number now.

 

[Exarel]

Talking heads that spew propaganda (really, these guys meet with Bush and attend Whitehouse Christmas parties) are scum. Medved, Hannity, Hewitt, Levin, the whole bunch. The sinister part is that they spew half truths. They make sense some of the time and once they've hooked you they can suggest whatever they want. The saddest part is that people form their opinions based on what these guys spew.

Completely agree. I wish people would wake up to this. This is a much stronger form of manipulation than the more blatant smears and lies.

 

[fj45lvr]

None of you guys seem to get this one. RP is great. Being such a big tent, however, there's a large number of crazies amongst us -- and they make RP look awful. Medved is 100% correct in that comment.

WRONG.

You actually believe that the GOP masses that actually believe that the Islamists are going to be coming over here isn't more CRAZY????

Let's see:

• they think their leadership is "conservative" (delusional)
• are content to create MASSIVE budget deficits and tout being fiscally prudent (totally delusional)
• are OK with giving billions of dollars to dictators (really really crazy)
• are willing to shoot million dollar missles into neighborhood restaurants killing civilians because they might have taken out Saddam (loony as hell)
• are happy to waste taxpayer money to blow up shit and rebuild it again
• believe that "pre-emptive" killing is a "good" thing and we can actually spread "freedom and democracy" at the same time (totally delusional)
• supporting financially and militarily a racist apatheid state is "setting an example" of freedom without any adverse consequences
• selling weapons to all sides is a good thing

I guess your definition of CRAZY is subjective and this is only the "tip of the iceberg".

 

[Minuteman2008]

Medved is just another invade-the-world, invite-the-world, in-hock-to-the-world globalist neocon. It is no surprise that he doesn't like Ron Paul supporters. Which is fine, because most Ron Paul supporters would easily recognize Medved for what he is.

 

[gracebkr]

Grassroots, I hope you're taking notes. Remember, this attitude is what will win Ron Paul votes.

You hypocrite! you called people retards. This is what you are saying people don't like and you do it. Please, if you can't grasp that, then stop.

 

[CopperheadNC]

I can't listen to anyone with a mustache like that.

 

[itshappening]

It took me quite a while to come around because of some of the nutty RP supporters. I lurk around a lot of the forums and some of the stuff you read is just plain nutty.

But in all honesty, I think that's a bit judgemental and nutty of me...

The real craziness is when you go read other "conservative Republican" forums. There is a lot of fighting about the best candidate. The Romney people and McCain people just don't get it. Everything that is wrong with their candidate is what is right with Dr. Paul. They can't see the tree because of the forest.

Anyway, I don't get how anyone supports McCain. If you want Hillary, just vote for Hillary. Ugh.

even nutty people are citizens