http://www.rense.com/general81/prr.htm
Ms. Kidd makes a common sense argument.
I support this and will attend from CA.
Ms. Kidd makes a common sense argument.
I support this and will attend from CA.
Devvy Kidd: March on Convention, not D.C.
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LibertyEagle
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It does make a lot of sense to me too, but don't you think that someone should pitch this idea to Dr. Paul, or else we are promoting something contrary to what he has asked us to do?
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This is the best place, time and idea. One thing though, the enemy knows this and will defend it with mega force. Get ready, this is where the real revolution will begin in earnest and with bloodshed. I hope not, I say plan this thing hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst and do not go into this with false expectations.
To bad it wasn't planned and called for like the Tea Party before the grassroot supporters were ushered away. Should this be the decided place to go, then go with full intent and with such large numbers even the "man" will hesitate and the earth will move that day.
There will be those who are naive that will marginalize the warnings or pontificate that posts like this will lower the turn out rate.......you only want those ready for the fight. If you do not have those supporters who know the risks and rewards, you do not want them there. This will be one for the history books.
To bad it wasn't planned and called for like the Tea Party before the grassroot supporters were ushered away. Should this be the decided place to go, then go with full intent and with such large numbers even the "man" will hesitate and the earth will move that day.
There will be those who are naive that will marginalize the warnings or pontificate that posts like this will lower the turn out rate.......you only want those ready for the fight. If you do not have those supporters who know the risks and rewards, you do not want them there. This will be one for the history books.
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I've been planning on going to the convention all along.
You are right, if anyone wants to see what it was like in 2004 they should watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=55&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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She is 57 trillion% right!!! There is no arguing with the logic in her statements.
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i take it that no one has read anything on the security they are planning for this years convention. for starters, they have approved a budget to buy tasers for every officer, throw in funding for more riot gear etc...
there is no way in hell that we would get anywhere NEAR where the convention will be held. sure we may be 100,000 strong, but if we're 5 blocks away or more, we might as not even be there as far as media is concerned. we'd be like peasants shouting at the castle walls while the king is inside getting a sponge bath.
Dr Paul, you know, the guy who opened up all our eyes? yeah THAT Dr Paul has stated that our march be on DC, so just quit with all the 'we should do this, we should do that' 'we need to have these people, not have these people' 'TEH JOOS HATE EVERYONE!' all of it, just drop it.
we are getting an update within the next week as to the permit/date/details from Dr Paul. let's see what he says, and go from there.
there is no way in hell that we would get anywhere NEAR where the convention will be held. sure we may be 100,000 strong, but if we're 5 blocks away or more, we might as not even be there as far as media is concerned. we'd be like peasants shouting at the castle walls while the king is inside getting a sponge bath.
Dr Paul, you know, the guy who opened up all our eyes? yeah THAT Dr Paul has stated that our march be on DC, so just quit with all the 'we should do this, we should do that' 'we need to have these people, not have these people' 'TEH JOOS HATE EVERYONE!' all of it, just drop it.
we are getting an update within the next week as to the permit/date/details from Dr Paul. let's see what he says, and go from there.
Very valid points. Even tho I'm from MD, and DC would be easier... I'd go to Minnesota. We would be taking advantage of the media which has ignored us, continues to ignore us and will ignore us in DC. Let's go where they will be; don't make plans expecting them [read: report] where we are. Time to turn the tables. I'm for this 100%.
Your points are valid as well.
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I reckon, fuck it then.
It's all expended energy for nothing. WE can't change shit! sad fact. Let's stay home and plan our escape.
I thought this was very worthy enough to be left in GR Central, I guess Sabrin, how many people are still around , the 15th Strike etc or a new song..etc...are somehow more important????
The logic alludes me.
It's all expended energy for nothing. WE can't change shit! sad fact. Let's stay home and plan our escape.
I thought this was very worthy enough to be left in GR Central, I guess Sabrin, how many people are still around , the 15th Strike etc or a new song..etc...are somehow more important????
The logic alludes me.
Yep, bumped off the main thread. Great. RIP grassroots. Ms. Devvy offers the leadership required to re-energize the grassroots and ....whatever. How I miss summer '07.
See ya real supporters in September.
Don't have good link...
Article Last Updated:02/27/2008 10:58:10 PM CST
City will hold GOP marchers to 1 route
Four are being considered; none too close to Xcel
By Jason Hoppin, [email protected]
Demonstrators who want to march on this year's Republican National Convention in St. Paul will have to get in line — literally.
The city police department offered a sketch Wednesday of how it anticipates handling the tens of thousands of people expected to protest the event, which will be Sept. 1-4 at the Xcel Energy Center. Marchers will be restricted to one route, with masses of protesters generally confined to a set area.
"There will be a distance," Assistant Police Chief Matt Bostrom said. "You won't be able to be right up on (the Xcel Center), standing there, interacting with people as they go in the front doors. But you will be close enough that people, if they were at those doors, can hear you."
Neither the route nor the location of the stationary area has been set, Bostrom said. The city is studying four possible march routes for the convention's first day and expects to choose one by May 31.
While demonstrations throughout the city would be subject to normal permit requirements, those in immediate proximity to the Xcel Center would be confined to the protest area.
Known as "free speech zones," those areas have become the norm at national nominating conventions. But they remain controversial. During the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, protesters were kept behind high fences, prompting comparisons to Guantanamo Bay.
However, courts have upheld them. Judges have ruled the government can make reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of such demonstrations — just not the content. They also have ruled those restrictions must be narrowly tailored to accommodate the free speech rights of protesters.
Teresa Nelson, legal counsel for the Minnesota chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said waiting until May 31 — three months before the convention opens — to finalize a plan for demonstrators is "cutting it close" for any potential court challenges.
"The frustrating thing is not having that information yet, not knowing what the plan is going to be," Nelson said.
Bostrom said he sees no need for the kind of fences used in Boston. He also said not to expect police officers in riot gear lining the streets.
"Just because this is an international event, we're not making the assumption that we're going to deploy as if we're going to have to fight with people," he said. St. Paul, he added, has handled large events before.
The 2004 Republican National Convention in New York drew larger crowds than Boston — hundreds of thousands of people — mainly to protest the war in Iraq, which will pass its five-year anniversary in March. Citing St. Paul's smaller size, local officials don't expect that many people.
But out-of-town anti-war groups are planning to descend on the city. One of those is Code Pink, an activist group that wants to end the war and also will demonstrate at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Founder Medea Benjamin called convention free-speech zones ridiculous.
"As far as we're concerned, the U.S. is a free-speech zone," said Benjamin, reached by phone while demonstrating outside a Marine Corps recruiting station in Berkeley, Calif.
Local groups also are preparing for the convention, including the Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War. The group has held demonstrations outside City Hall and complained city officials are dragging their feet in granting protest permits.
Monday is the first day the group can receive a marching permit. The National Lawyers Guild's Bruce Nestor, one of the lawyers representing the group, said his client is eager to know what will be allowed.
"The issues are the time of the day and the route. I can't say anyone's happy, but no one's filed a lawsuit yet," Nestor said
Article Last Updated:02/27/2008 10:58:10 PM CST
City will hold GOP marchers to 1 route
Four are being considered; none too close to Xcel
By Jason Hoppin, [email protected]
Demonstrators who want to march on this year's Republican National Convention in St. Paul will have to get in line — literally.
The city police department offered a sketch Wednesday of how it anticipates handling the tens of thousands of people expected to protest the event, which will be Sept. 1-4 at the Xcel Energy Center. Marchers will be restricted to one route, with masses of protesters generally confined to a set area.
"There will be a distance," Assistant Police Chief Matt Bostrom said. "You won't be able to be right up on (the Xcel Center), standing there, interacting with people as they go in the front doors. But you will be close enough that people, if they were at those doors, can hear you."
Neither the route nor the location of the stationary area has been set, Bostrom said. The city is studying four possible march routes for the convention's first day and expects to choose one by May 31.
While demonstrations throughout the city would be subject to normal permit requirements, those in immediate proximity to the Xcel Center would be confined to the protest area.
Known as "free speech zones," those areas have become the norm at national nominating conventions. But they remain controversial. During the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, protesters were kept behind high fences, prompting comparisons to Guantanamo Bay.
However, courts have upheld them. Judges have ruled the government can make reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of such demonstrations — just not the content. They also have ruled those restrictions must be narrowly tailored to accommodate the free speech rights of protesters.
Teresa Nelson, legal counsel for the Minnesota chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said waiting until May 31 — three months before the convention opens — to finalize a plan for demonstrators is "cutting it close" for any potential court challenges.
"The frustrating thing is not having that information yet, not knowing what the plan is going to be," Nelson said.
Bostrom said he sees no need for the kind of fences used in Boston. He also said not to expect police officers in riot gear lining the streets.
"Just because this is an international event, we're not making the assumption that we're going to deploy as if we're going to have to fight with people," he said. St. Paul, he added, has handled large events before.
The 2004 Republican National Convention in New York drew larger crowds than Boston — hundreds of thousands of people — mainly to protest the war in Iraq, which will pass its five-year anniversary in March. Citing St. Paul's smaller size, local officials don't expect that many people.
But out-of-town anti-war groups are planning to descend on the city. One of those is Code Pink, an activist group that wants to end the war and also will demonstrate at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Founder Medea Benjamin called convention free-speech zones ridiculous.
"As far as we're concerned, the U.S. is a free-speech zone," said Benjamin, reached by phone while demonstrating outside a Marine Corps recruiting station in Berkeley, Calif.
Local groups also are preparing for the convention, including the Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War. The group has held demonstrations outside City Hall and complained city officials are dragging their feet in granting protest permits.
Monday is the first day the group can receive a marching permit. The National Lawyers Guild's Bruce Nestor, one of the lawyers representing the group, said his client is eager to know what will be allowed.
"The issues are the time of the day and the route. I can't say anyone's happy, but no one's filed a lawsuit yet," Nestor said
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We can't fight as protestors, we need to get INTO the system by becoming city council, mayors, congress and senate. We need to always vote for a "freedom candidate" in all elections across the nation.
We cant win at this moment simply due to how much we are up against BUT hopefully people continue fighting locally and statewide for freedom within their states as well as a balanced budget and things could change.
The way I look at it now is that my "local government" is working towards the special interests and big money in my city and once I looked around it was true. If we all either found a solid candidate in our local areas OR become that person then it will be much harder in the next 4 years or even 8 years for them to elect a war mongering asshole or someone who thinks socialized living is actually a GOOD thing.
Do people really not get that obama brings socialism as a SOLUTION? that is so sad that people fall for this bullshit lol.
We cant fight stupidity with numbers or sign holding BUT if we were those in charge making the rules we could CHANGE things.
We also have the possible collapse of the nation that could happen depending on how much war and free medicine we give to everyone. Once the dollar is done they will have to throw the amero in there quickly to keep the value of our debt still in payable form.
If they let the dollar collapse before changing out debts to another currency then we would end up with no debt and I really do not see that happening.
I wonder what all the billions of dollars that china has of ours will be worth when it is worth NOTHING here lol. Wonder how many nations will get mad at us for giving them worthless pieces of paper. Maybe this is there hope for the next world war. Who really knows what crazy old men dream about when they play risk with our countries.
If people want to march then MARCH but please remember that we need local and state change that is willing to stand up to federal bullshit and not simply a couple hundred thousand people standing around.
The media will downplay it as they do with any other rally or march. They might encite a fight to be able to use force on people and odds are hope the militia within us are not the ones in the "friendly protest" mood or willing to take a hit and stand there.
I think any of these marches and rallies can go many ways BUT with freedom on the line sometimes you have to take things under control to really be able to fight back.
Get on your city council
Become mayor
Sign up for a congressional district seat in your city
Grassroots effort other candidates in your city and state
Tell your children to continue your fight if need be as well as let them know what true freedom is.
It may come down to a takeover and I know if and when that day comes FREEDOM will prevail over this bullshit that we have been living under for so long.
stand up and fight but do it in the correct way, change the system dont try and scream and yell at it.
We cant win at this moment simply due to how much we are up against BUT hopefully people continue fighting locally and statewide for freedom within their states as well as a balanced budget and things could change.
The way I look at it now is that my "local government" is working towards the special interests and big money in my city and once I looked around it was true. If we all either found a solid candidate in our local areas OR become that person then it will be much harder in the next 4 years or even 8 years for them to elect a war mongering asshole or someone who thinks socialized living is actually a GOOD thing.
Do people really not get that obama brings socialism as a SOLUTION? that is so sad that people fall for this bullshit lol.
We cant fight stupidity with numbers or sign holding BUT if we were those in charge making the rules we could CHANGE things.
We also have the possible collapse of the nation that could happen depending on how much war and free medicine we give to everyone. Once the dollar is done they will have to throw the amero in there quickly to keep the value of our debt still in payable form.
If they let the dollar collapse before changing out debts to another currency then we would end up with no debt and I really do not see that happening.
I wonder what all the billions of dollars that china has of ours will be worth when it is worth NOTHING here lol. Wonder how many nations will get mad at us for giving them worthless pieces of paper. Maybe this is there hope for the next world war. Who really knows what crazy old men dream about when they play risk with our countries.
If people want to march then MARCH but please remember that we need local and state change that is willing to stand up to federal bullshit and not simply a couple hundred thousand people standing around.
The media will downplay it as they do with any other rally or march. They might encite a fight to be able to use force on people and odds are hope the militia within us are not the ones in the "friendly protest" mood or willing to take a hit and stand there.
I think any of these marches and rallies can go many ways BUT with freedom on the line sometimes you have to take things under control to really be able to fight back.
Get on your city council
Become mayor
Sign up for a congressional district seat in your city
Grassroots effort other candidates in your city and state
Tell your children to continue your fight if need be as well as let them know what true freedom is.
It may come down to a takeover and I know if and when that day comes FREEDOM will prevail over this bullshit that we have been living under for so long.
stand up and fight but do it in the correct way, change the system dont try and scream and yell at it.
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I tend to agree only because a march on Washington D.C. is more likely to be viewed as a "terrorist plot" or an uprising and we might actually cause Bush to declare martial law. Just looking at worst-case scenarios here.
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