Detroiters Beat Man Suspected of Raping Down Syndrome Teen

[tod evans]

Lynchmob justice should be reserved for only those that are not accountable to our Just-Us system.

According to what I read "Just-Us" failed to act in a timely manner, hence justice was invoked...

 

[pcosmar]

That's right. He is to be considered innocent till proven guilty in a court of law.

And if there is no court of law,, and the Law Enforcement refuses to do anything? (currant reality)

From the information given.. the girl knew the rapist from the neighborhood.. People in the community knew the perpetrator.

Police refused to lock him up.. These are the same police that will kick in doors and shoot people over non-crimes.

The community acted. and showed restraint.
He should have been seen hanging from a tree with a "rapist" sign on him.

And nobody saw nothin'.

 

[tod evans]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

Somebody with rep please hit Pete....

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

Somebody with rep please hit Pete....

'fraid I can't. I just don't agree with that. Vigilante justice is no more acceptable than a cop sentencing someone to death or beating by the roadside at a traffic stop. Y'all are really disappointing me today.

 

[belian78]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

Somebody with rep please hit Pete....

Gotcha

 

[pcosmar]

'fraid I can't. I just don't agree with that. Vigilante justice is no more acceptable than a cop sentencing someone to death or beating by the roadside at a traffic stop. Y'all are really disappointing me today.

You have gotten it backwards,, but I blame propaganda and "education" ,, not you.

Vigilance should exist. Police should not.

http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Early constitutions enunciated the intention that law enforcement was a universal duty that each person owed to the community, rather than a power of the government.

It is the lack of proper law enforcement and a seriously bent system that is the problem.

 

[tod evans]

'fraid I can't. I just don't agree with that. Vigilante justice is no more acceptable than a cop sentencing someone to death or beating by the roadside at a traffic stop. Y'all are really disappointing me today.

Vigilantism is nothing at all akin to out of control government employees.

The folks who comprise the vigilants should by all rights have a justice system they can avail themselves of, the mere act of vigilantism screams failure of the existing system of justice,(Just-Us").

As the current system grows and flexes it's muscle I fully expect to see more common folks seeking justice for wrongs perpetrated against them either by members of the "Just-Us" department or those whom they protect.

You don't have to agree or accept it, folks are fed up and many of them have faith in the justice system described in the constitution...

Much better in my opinion to shun the "Just-Us system and institute a fair and impartial justice system that actually dispenses justice...If such a system can be implemented vigilantism will be virtually non-existent..Except in the eyes of those who support the current dysfunctional system, they'll still call justice vigilantism..

 

[angelatc]

And if there is no court of law,, and the Law Enforcement refuses to do anything? (currant reality)

From the information given.. the girl knew the rapist from the neighborhood.. People in the community knew the perpetrator.

Police refused to lock him up.. These are the same police that will kick in doors and shoot people over non-crimes.

The community acted. and showed restraint.
He should have been seen hanging from a tree with a "rapist" sign on him.

And nobody saw nothin'.

Yeah, I'm assuming that the victim knew her attacker so the ID wasn't in question. If anything like your scenario was to happen, it would be in the black community. They have an aversion to the police that's pretty deep.

 

[BuddyRey]

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the next creep who decides to rape someone in D-Town will probably turn himself into the cops just to escape this guy's fate.

 

[paulbot24]

The articles are pretty vague. First they say "community members" attacked the rapist with a baseball bat. Then several articles say, "The condition of the accused rapist is unknown at this time. Community members say his family checked him into a facility of some sort." Which "community members" were those? I have no sympathy for a rapist whatsoever. It is just odd to hear the media talk so positively about several people getting together and nearly beating anybody to death because they got impatient with the police and the system like they were throwing a potluck. These cases often take years. Who doesn't get impatient? I doubt they would be calling me and my friends just "frustrated community members" if I had beaten the guy who molested my niece. I would like to believe they would, especially after, in my case, the man even admitted to it on tape to the police, but I doubt it.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Da fuq? You don't have to subscribe to the NAP to see that vigilante "justice" (especially when no one has actually been PROVEN guilty) is a pretty fucking stupid and abhorrent thing.

Why do you trust his neighbors so much? Neighbors don't necessarily know jack shit. In my current neighborhood I've only actually met a few folks.

I think there are exceptions to the "Vigilante Justice is bad" rule, and I'm not even the anarchist here...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Vigilantism is nothing at all akin to out of control government employees.

The folks who comprise the vigilants should by all rights have a justice system they can avail themselves of, the mere act of vigilantism screams failure of the existing system of justice,(Just-Us").

As the current system grows and flexes it's muscle I fully expect to see more common folks seeking justice for wrongs perpetrated against them either by members of the "Just-Us" department or those whom they protect.

You don't have to agree or accept it, folks are fed up and many of them have faith in the justice system described in the constitution...

Much better in my opinion to shun the "Just-Us system and institute a fair and impartial justice system that actually dispenses justice...If such a system can be implemented vigilantism will be virtually non-existent..Except in the eyes of those who support the current dysfunctional system, they'll still call justice vigilantism..

What was described before was not a true "justice" system. If we were talking about a serious system with fair lawyers, juries, etc, I'd agree with it.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I think there are exceptions to the "Vigilante Justice is bad" rule, and I'm not even the anarchist here...

Such as? Isn't the vigilante system more or less the same (just less organized) as the private law enforcement agencies proposed by anarchists and universally shunned on these forums by non-anarchists?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

From another thread:

These guys beat the hell out of them until they aborted.

One redeeming feature of our justice system is that these men if ever put in general population jail or prison will meet a timely demise.

I think they need to be castrated and jailed forever.

Such evil in these eyes.

I just much prefer the thought of these guys spending the rest of their lives in a maximum security prison, where the other inmates can make them crawl around on leashes during the day.

REPORT: Brothers Pedro, Onil will not be charged

“There is nothing that leads us to believe that they were involved or had any knowledge of this,” Deputy City Police Chief Ed Tomba said. “We found no facts to link them to the crime.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/captive_gals_endless_abuse_u7gz80eEceLeOys9QkXhDO

I just saw the interview on CNN with the brothers. Looks like they were completely deceived like everyone else. The reporter pointed out the women themselves stated the brothers had nothing to do with it. I apparently jumped the gun, so I wanted to come out and retract it.

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Just so no one pats themselves on the back too quickly for wanting vigilante justice. But the people in favor of some vigilantism are making good points, so I'm going to finish this post without saying much of anything.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You have gotten it backwards,, but I blame propaganda and "education" ,, not you.

Vigilance should exist. Police should not.

http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm


It is the lack of proper law enforcement and a seriously bent system that is the problem.

I agree. But that's not what the article describes.

 

[fr33]

What's with the knee-jerk reaction against vigilantism?

Let's say your neighborhood or multiple neighborhoods has a gang or multiple gangs that are always initiating violence. You can picture such a scenario easily since it is reality in many major cities.

Do you think the police and courts will solve this problem soon? Do you think they will ever solve it?


Do you think arming every other citizen not in those gangs and taking them out will solve it?


If you are being terrorized by a mafia, you and your neighbors have every right to take them out.


You'll probably agree with most of the above but deny that this instant wasn't the same in a smaller more direct scenario.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Such as? Isn't the vigilante system more or less the same (just less organized) as the private law enforcement agencies proposed by anarchists and universally shunned on these forums by non-anarchists?

I don't advocate doing it, but in cases where someone loudly admits to being a murderer or other serious crime, but is protected because of an evil legal system that allows that murderer.... well, as a juror I'd turn a blind eye to the use of vigilante justice, at any rate.

In a perfect government ruled by me, there would be no need for such

 

[Christian Liberty]

What's with the knee-jerk reaction against vigilantism?

Let's say your neighborhood or multiple neighborhoods has a gang or multiple gangs that are always initiating violence. You can picture such a scenario easily since it is reality in many major cities.

Do you think the police and courts will solve this problem soon? Do you think they will ever solve it?


Do you think arming every other citizen not in those gangs and taking them out will solve it?


If you are being terrorized by a mafia, you and your neighbors have every right to take them out.


You'll probably agree with most of the above but deny that this instant wasn't the same in a smaller more direct scenario.

Sometimes vigilantism is indeed appropriate.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

What's with the knee-jerk reaction against vigilantism?

Let's say your neighborhood or multiple neighborhoods has a gang or multiple gangs that are always initiating violence. You can picture such a scenario easily since it is reality in many major cities.

Do you think the police and courts will solve this problem soon? Do you think they will ever solve it?


Do you think arming every other citizen not in those gangs and taking them out will solve it?


If you are being terrorized by a mafia, you and your neighbors have every right to take them out.


You'll probably agree with most of the above but deny that this instant wasn't the same in a smaller more direct scenario.

Say you see someone rape someone else. You follow that John Doe and kill him. I wouldn't mind that sort of thing. (I wouldn't mind people hunting down and beating the living shit out of cops who harass and assault them either, btw) But it's way too easy for people to just make accusations. Some people do it to be vindictive, some are just insane, etc. There needs to be rationality to it, or it's not true justice.

 

[shane77m]

Sometimes the trains of thought on here really confuse me. It is bad to talk to the police. It is bad for citizens to take the law into their own hands.

Maybe suspects will just start turning themselves in.