Deport kids, Ignore Drug Lords, Build Concentration Camps: Trump's Immigration 'Victory'

[acptulsa]

Even when it makes something up to say, it makes it sound like a cliché.

Machines have humans beat in that way. Not many humans can come up with something original and fresh to say that already sounds like a cliché the first time it's heard.

 

[nikcers]

Even when it makes something up to say, it makes it sound like a cliché.

Machines have humans beat in that way. Not many humans can come up with something original and fresh to say that already sounds like a cliché the first time it's heard.

All of the shark jumping has caused you to lose the plot. Whoever programmed your algorithm must have had a stroke.

 

[acptulsa]

No matter how deep a dive you do into the thesaurus to say it, "I know you are but what am I?" is still the refuge of a child.

Get back to me after your first birthday.

 

[wizardwatson]

You're right about one thing, I really couldn't care less about the quality of the immigrants.

If that ends up looking like white nationalism, then call me a white nationalist

Labels, don't matter, it's the attitude. You yourself are an immigrant, go far enough back and you're the same thing you hate. Like I said, you wanna be a ZOG-Nazi, I guess that's who you are. At least you are ok with it. Sword-ey wants to sanctify it.

I prefer my Nazi's in uniform.

 

[wizardwatson]

They don't care about any logic or truth, they only care about preventing the removal of the criminal invaders.
They want to destroy and replace Americans, that's why they are making it about race.

Trump is targeting the worst criminals first, and crime is going down because of it.
And it has nothing to do with the fact that most of the worst criminals (by a very disproportionate margin) happen to not be white.

No, you don't care.

Overstaying a visa not "criminal". It is unlawful. Words matter.

As an example, not paying your credit card bill is unlawful, but it is not criminal. It is dealt with civil case, not a criminal case. Similarly, if you are too poor to pay a Visa renewal fee (and this will be more frequent since Trump is jacking up nearly all the fees and adding new ones), then you would be technically here "unlawfully" but that does not make you a criminal.

Now, if you come here on a student Visa and work in a convenience store, or if you come on a visitor visa fully intending to violate the conditions, that is fraud, and is technically criminal.

But lying on your taxes is also criminal, like Lauryn Hill found out when she got chucked into jail for trying to cheat on her taxes.

Two things are being floated by the propaganda rather overtly:

1. People here "unlawfully" are breaking the law and are criminals who should be deported.
2. Americans who are "really bad guys" should also be deported.

If you accept these two pieces of propaganda, then the criteria to deport an American citizen is only a matter of what you consider a "really bad guy".

According to you I'm a terrorist sympatizer and guilty of treason. Clearly, a strong candidate for El Salvador black hell box. I mean, I might convicne others of my radical ideas.

So dotard Trump isn't "doing" anything. He's being told to do things. The people doing things are moving us closer and closer to a world where I will be stuck in a camp ("for questioning, that's all, just need to check you out", need to make sure you aren't a terrorist).

The posters of the hardened criminals on the white house lawn, are just there to make you feel better about being a Zio-Nazi.

You see, to those with eyes to see, Satan's tricks are retarded-ly simple. The infiltrators scream "Hasbara troll!" out of one side of their mouth, then they divide and conquer within the target audience using standard ZOG tactics, with their fake Arab Springs and astro-turfing. Some of them are operators, some of them are useful idiots.

This is why I can't abide in simply libertarianism, or nationalism or really anything except the Body of Christ and drink his blood. If I move an inch outside I immediately feel the pain. It is the only place of safety anywhere. There is nothing worthy in America or this whole planet that can replace Him.

 

[nikcers]

Labels, don't matter, it's the attitude. You yourself are an immigrant, go far enough back and you're the same thing you hate. Like I said, you wanna be a ZOG-Nazi, I guess that's who you are. At least you are ok with it. Sword-ey wants to sanctify it.

I prefer my Nazi's in uniform.

Go far enough back and everyone is a murderer, has slaves, is a thief, and a cannibal, who genocided entire peoples.

So I should be perfectly fine with people doing that now.

I mean who cares about real problems like housing costing too much for senior citizens on fixed incomes because not letting another 20 million people immediately move here illegally is a subsidy and because 20,000 years ago someone else ate the last mammoth so we had to resort to cannibalism to survive the winter and that means the immigrants should be allowed to eat the dogs.

 

[acptulsa]

They want to destroy and replace Americans, that's why they are making it about race...

And it has nothing to do with the fact that most of the worst criminals (by a very disproportionate margin) happen to not be white.

You just can't avoid showing your hypocrisy. Funny, considering you can always avoid speaking to the facts.

 

[wizardwatson]

Go far enough back and everyone is a murderer, has slaves, is a thief, and a cannibal, who genocided entire peoples.

So I should be perfectly fine with people doing that now.

I mean who cares about real problems like housing costing too much for senior citizens on fixed incomes because not letting another 20 million people immediately move here illegally is a subsidy and because 20,000 years ago someone else ate the last mammoth so we had to resort to cannibalism to survive the winter and that means the immigrants should be allowed to eat the dogs.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I was merely pointing out that I prefer open tribalists to tribalists wearing a Christian costume.

To your point about Americans not feeling like they are wealthy enough, Trump is working on that but Powell just won't lower those interest rates. Even if he doesn't, Trump will be brave and just monetize the debt. Then the spickets of beautiful FRN's will be opened and we will be flooded with prosperity.

 

[nikcers]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I was merely pointing out that I prefer open tribalists to tribalists wearing a Christian costume.

To your point about Americans not feeling like they are wealthy enough, Trump is working on that but Powell just won't lower those interest rates. Even if he doesn't, Trump will be brave and just monetize the debt. Then the spickets of beautiful FRN's will be opened and we will be flooded with prosperity.

Well I liked it better when Biden was president atleast when the senior citizens were committing suicide because they could no longer afford to live in this country anymore it wasn't reported in the media.

A true nazi likes it when trash takes itself out and if they can't afford to pay the rent to live in this country anymore we don't need them. They outlived their usefulness.

 

[PAF]

They don't care about any logic or truth

Trump is targeting the worst criminals first, and crime is going down because of it.
And it has nothing to do with the fact that most of the worst criminals (by a very disproportionate margin) happen to not be white.

The worst and largest number of murderers, criminals, and recipients of Welfare, are the whites. Look at most of the Bankers, heads of the MIC and the leaders of Silicon Globalist Valley. For a tiny glimpse, look who Trump pardoned. And, look at you.

 

[acptulsa]

Well I liked it better when Biden was president

I would try to explain that power isn't binary, but you're a digital software program, so how could you possibly understand?

 

[wizardwatson]

Well I liked it better when Biden was president atleast when the senior citizens were committing suicide because they could no longer afford to live in this country anymore it wasn't reported in the media.

A true nazi likes it when trash takes itself out and if they can't afford to pay the rent to live in this country anymore we don't need them. They outlived their usefulness.

Thanks. A lot of people around here can be judgy. It's hard finding like-minded people. As you may have noticed my beliefs are a bit unorthodox as well.

It's a brave thing to admit that senior citizens who have-as you say-outlived their usefulness are doing this country a favor by committing suicide.

What can I do though, given my current beliefs? How can I reconcile with my God taking this leap with you? I need to learn more I guess. I do hate "trash", I mean the Greek word for "hell" in the bible is actually Gehenna, a literal burn pile.

How does one become a true nazi? You seem like you might be able to explain or point me in the direction of someone who can explain.

 

[nikcers]

Thanks. A lot of people around here can be judgy. It's hard finding like-minded people. As you may have noticed my beliefs are a bit unorthodox as well.

It's a brave thing to admit that senior citizens who have-as you say-outlived their usefulness are doing this country a favor by committing suicide.

What can I do though, given my current beliefs? How can I reconcile with my God taking this leap with you? I need to learn more I guess. I do hate "trash", I mean the Greek word for "hell" in the bible is actually Gehenna, a literal burn pile.

How does one become a true nazi? You seem like you might be able to explain or point me in the direction of someone who can explain.

Well you see- you have to exist solely for the good of the nation.

That means that when you turn 30 you end up costing too much in Healthcare costs to be insured under private insurance with our national Healthcare system at a corporation and once that happens you are taking up space of someone who is in prime working age who is around 18 could be taking up.

If you are geriatric and over 40 then it's even worse. That means you are likely to develop some form of cancer but if you work the system right and get a government funded job you might be able to make it to a ripe age of 55.

Then if you are lucky and you can move into a house with 4 or 5 other people in their 60s on social security living as roommates you might be able to not live in an area where when you go to the grocery store to buy food you don't get mugged and crippled by an illegal immigrant.

If you have made it that far, you know, for the good of the nation you have to give up your spot because some immigrant from a disaster striken area is willing to work in an Amazon warehouse without air conditioning and rent the house you are living in for 400 dollars more a month.

So at that point you have lived past your usefulness. Since you can't pay your rent anymore.

 

[wizardwatson]

Well you see- you have to exist solely for the good of the nation.

That means that when you turn 30 you end up costing too much in Healthcare costs to be insured under private insurance with our national Healthcare system at a corporation and once that happens you are taking up space of someone who is in prime working age who is around 18 could be taking up.

If you are geriatric and over 40 then it's even worse. That means you are likely to develop some form of cancer but if you work the system right and get a government funded job you might be able to make it to a ripe age of 55.

Then if you are lucky and you can move into a house with 4 or 5 other people in their 60s on social security living as roommates you might be able to not live in an area where when you go to the grocery store to buy food you don't get mugged and crippled by an illegal immigrant.

If you have made it that far, you know, for the good of the nation you have to give up your spot because some immigrant from a disaster striken area is willing to work in an Amazon warehouse without air conditioning and rent the house you are living in for 400 dollars more a month.

So at that point you have lived past your usefulness. Since you can't pay your rent anymore.

Это потрясающий ответ! Трудно смириться с мыслью, что иммигранты ответственны практически за все трудности, через которые проходят настоящие американцы. Если мы хотим оставаться свободными, на чем должна сосредоточиться наша иммиграционная политика?

 

[nikcers]

Это потрясающий ответ! Трудно смириться с мыслью, что иммигранты ответственны практически за все трудности, через которые проходят настоящие американцы. Если мы хотим оставаться свободными, на чем должна сосредоточиться наша иммиграционная политика?

I see you speak Ukrainian. It didn't used to be Ukrainian but it is now that they have an open border.

 

[Snowball]

For-profit immigration detention expands as Trump accelerates his deportation plans • Kansas Reflector

The Trump administration has largely turned to the for-profit, private prison industry to reopen or repurpose shuttered and aging facilities — many of which have been previously criticized for poor conditions and inadequate care.

kansasreflector.com

 

[wizardwatson]

I see you speak Ukrainian. It didn't used to be Ukrainian but it is now that they have an open border.

Very insightful. The language, once upon a time was called Russian, but the Ukraine that is now Russia the Russia is now Ukrianian. But the border the old border with the Russian went down after the commies failed then the Ukraine became the new Russian. But then Putin did evil by invading the border trying to make the Ukraine Russian and they failed because America wouldnt put up with it. We gave a lot of weapons so the Urkaine could stop the communists from immigrating all over the country.

I guess I never thougt of it like that.

 

[nikcers]

Very insightful. The language, once upon a time was called Russian, but the Ukraine that is now Russia the Russia is now Ukrianian. But the border the old border with the Russian went down after the commies failed then the Ukraine became the new Russian. But then Putin did evil by invading the border trying to make the Ukraine Russian and they failed because America wouldnt put up with it. We gave a lot of weapons so the Urkaine could stop the communists from immigrating all over the country.

I guess I never thougt of it like that.

Its just like you said -that's what people have been doing for centuries - we are all "immigrants" at some point in our history.

Any country should just welcome everyone into their country with open arms.

"Immigration" and our senior citizens unaliving themselves because they can't afford housing is a fact of life.

 

[wizardwatson]

For-profit immigration detention expands as Trump accelerates his deportation plans • Kansas Reflector

The Trump administration has largely turned to the for-profit, private prison industry to reopen or repurpose shuttered and aging facilities — many of which have been previously criticized for poor conditions and inadequate care.

kansasreflector.com

Thanks for posting.

I'm studying this subject in detail now because I realize now how core this model is to the destruction of this country. (It's certainly a core issue destroying unity on this forum.) Or at least it stinks enough to require a thorough investigation. I actually already know quite a bit about the problem in general (Honduran coyote trains, NGOs) because I had a falling out with my previous church (they kicked me out) when I discovered they were secretly helping smuggle Cubans through the mission work, and I exposed it. I did some in-depth research at that time, circa 2022.

But now they are making big moves to do the exact opposite (via appearances). In other words, "problem, reaction, solution." It was ultimately our tax dollars flowing through the fake Christian churches that created the problem; now we have the "solution" part. Anyway...

The math is not math-ing.

First, Trump isn't even arresting at peak Obama levels. The first 100 days is looking to be around 650/day. Illegal immigration (which includes 'unauthorized immigrants' the way I calculated—people who overstay, for instance) is conservatively 1,000,000 per year or 2,739 per day. Even if Trump manages to break Obama's daily rate of around 900/day and cuts illegal immigration in half, it's still not going to make a dent in the problem (if we frame 'success' as the body count deported). The best-case scenario for the rest of Trump's term is not even break-even.

Like I said, I don't really even think Trump is prescient enough to think in these terms (e.g., "I need these numbers up!"), but I might be wrong. But practically speaking, the actions so far and the budget allocations indicate due process is not a priority. He has no intention of filtering the worst. How do I know? Well, first of all, that would require investigations and court cases. They aren't going to do that, as evidenced by reallocating a significant number of investigators and by putting barely any money towards an increase to the ICE court component (only up by 30% vs. 360% for detention, see OP).

"Yes he is, liar! He's doing background checks to find criminal records and charges!"

Well, sure, they are finding anyone with even a 'smidge' of a run-in with the law. See the first tweet below. Scanning 1.3 million names (with their fancy NSA crap), they only got 6,400 hits (0.004%), which includes people with speeding tickets or people where charges were dropped, according to the tweet. Now, let's extrapolate the scan to ALL the immigrants, both legal and illegal. Even if we say it's 100 million, and the "criminal" (a loosely applied word for the Trump ZOG admin), this total figure only comes to 500,000.

Now let's break down the ICE capacity to deport (we'll ignore due process friction since Trump is).

According to Grok, ICE has a detention capacity of about 41K beds but has been operating above that capacity with approx. 48K bed capacity. Let's assume this roughly translates to a 900/day deportation once Trump gets his staff motivated.

The Big Beautiful Bill is trying to increase the capacity to 100,000 (all that 360% increase can't go towards facilities. Gotta hire more jack-booted thugs too). If we assume the same 115% utilization, the math works out to a daily deportation capacity of 2,156/day (48K is to 900/day, as 115K is to 2,156/day).

Now that reality would be on Oct 1st, 2025, the beginning of the fiscal year. So if we assume that Big Beautiful Deportation Rate for the remainder of Trump's term, we get a deportation total in excess of current capacity around 1,527,296 (3.333 years times 2156/day minus normal 900/day = 1216 days times 1256/day excess).

But as we calculated above, this is one million people beyond the number of Pedro's and Ali-Babba's with speeding tickets and debt collection cases that were dropped.

"We need more criminals to get these numbers up! These are rookie numbers!"

Hence, the need for jacking up all the fees for renewals and "papers please" check-ins. Also a need to dehumanize immigrants and have an apartheid state where they can't speak or use social media like a regular American, especially if they are critical of America's "allies" or "interests."
So what do we get from Trump's immigration strategy:

NAZI POSITIVE:

We slightly decrease the rate of increase of dark faces outnumbering white faces for the 3.33 years remaining in Trump's term after the start of the next fiscal year. It's not conquering the French, but it's something.

LIBERTY NEGATIVE:

1. Concentration camps.
2. Erosion of due process.
3. Erosion of freedom of speech.
4. More thugs with guns breaking into people's homes.
5. A shrinking economy that just deported a million working people and replaced them with a bunch of DHS bureaucrats and private prison contracts.
6. A political disaster that will only exacerbate tribalism and make the takeover of this country easier.
7. A less safe America since law enforcement is being largely repurposed for deportation enforcement without due process.

I think #6 is the real intended effect.

 

[wizardwatson]

Its just like you said -that's what people have been doing for centuries - we are all "immigrants" at some point in our history.

Any country should just welcome everyone into their country with open arms.

"Immigration" and our senior citizens unaliving themselves because they can't afford housing is a fact of life.

I think about the fact sometimes that not everyone has access to flouridated water. Some kids in America have to just eat toothpaste instead. Some can't even get vaccines they have to right letters direct to Trump. But the USPS isn't close either so burning trash next to immigrants is for smoke signals, but the Native Americans complain about cultural appropriation. I miss the good 'ole days when penny candy was harder.