Denied a laywer?

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I was never arrested. So my rights were never read to me. After my friend was caught, they took us to the back, they took her home in handcuffs and I asked if I was free to go and he said yes.

But then the judge tells me I am looking at a $200 fine and 30 days of jail if found guilty.

The charge was shoplifting <$300

As soon as you pled 'not guilty' to a charge, you opened the door for them to make a case against you. By pleading not guilty, you basically admitted that they have jurisdiction over you, so now they're going to find any reason to find something that you are guilty of doing. You can be charged without being arrested and without having your rights read to you.

Did you think your only options were either 'guilty' nor 'not guilty'?
 
Here is my court docket
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City and County please.

Other opinions please - is it possible they are just trying to muscle him into being a witness against the other person?

V - did you know she was stealing before they stopped you?
How did they make you come to court? Serve you with a citation????
 
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City and County please.

Other opinions please - is it possible they are just trying to muscle him into being a witness against the other person?

V - did you know she was stealing before they stopped you?
How did they make you come to court? Serve you with a citation????

Danville, Boyle County, KY
 
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City and County please.

Other opinions please - is it possible they are just trying to muscle him into being a witness against the other person?

V - did you know she was stealing before they stopped you?
How did they make you come to court? Serve you with a citation????

And yes the officer gave me a citation for shoplifting.
 
I wouldn't be admitting to things on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD, dude. Seriously. Take it to PM.
 
PS- You can also stand mute, plea 'nolo contendere', plea in abatement, plea in bar, plea in discharge, plea in reconvention, plea of release, plea of double jeopardy-- many more than just 2 options.
 
So what should I do from here guys?

Contact one of the legal groups posted earlier in this thread?
 
These are the people you need to contact:

http://dpa.ky.gov/

History of DPA

A half century ago the Kentucky Supreme Court held that "common justice demands" that an attorney must be appointed when a person charged with a felony is too poor to hire his own counsel. Gholson v. Commonwealth, 212 S.W.2d 537 (Ky. 1948). In the 1960s Kentucky attorneys began to request compensation when they were forced to represent indigents charged with a crime. In 1963, the United States Supreme Court determined that if a state wants to take away a person's liberty, it has to provide an attorney to those persons too poor to hire their own in order to comply with the Federal Constitution. Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335 (1963). While consistently unsuccessful in convincing Kentucky's highest Court that the judiciary could and should order payment, Kentucky's appointed attorneys did persuade the Kentucky Supreme Court to the point that the Court began to directly encourage the General Assembly to provide a systematic solution for paying the attorneys who were being made to represent the accused
On September 22, 1972, Kentucky's highest Court characterized the forced representation of indigents as an "intolerable condition" and held it was an unconstitutional taking of an attorney's property - his service to the client - without compensation. From then on no Kentucky attorney could be required to represent an indigent absent compensation. Bradshaw v. Ball, 487 S.W.2d 294 (Ky. 1972).

While the appeal in Bradshaw was pending, the 1972 Legislature, at the request of Governor Wendell Ford, created the Office of Public Defender, now the Department of Public Advocacy (DPA), and gave it the responsibility to represent all persons in Kentucky charged with or convicted of a crime. House Bill 461 sponsored by Representatives Kenton, Graves and Swinford passed the House 60-18 on March 7, 1972 and the Senate 26-5 on March 14, 1972. It allocated $1,287,000 for FY 73 and FY 74.

I think this means if jail time is a possibility you have a right to an attorney.

The judge doesn't get to decide if that is the case. It depends on if you fit the requirements financially and that is the purpose of the form I linked to.
 
As soon as you pled 'not guilty' to a charge, you opened the door for them to make a case against you. By pleading not guilty, you basically admitted that they have jurisdiction over you, so now they're going to find any reason to find something that you are guilty of doing. You can be charged without being arrested and without having your rights read to you.

Did you think your only options were either 'guilty' nor 'not guilty'?

You can challenge jurisdiction at any time.


PS- You can also stand mute, plea 'nolo contendere', plea in abatement, plea in bar, plea in discharge, plea in reconvention, plea of release, plea of double jeopardy-- many more than just 2 options.

Nolo contendere is a guilty plea. Standing mute will result in the court entering a plea of not guilty for you. And more blah blah blah.


Do not play the game. Challenge jurisdiction.
 
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You can challenge jurisdiction at any time.




Nolo contendere is a guilty plea. Standing mute will result in the court entering a plea of not guilty for you. And more blah blah blah.


Do not play the game. Challenge jurisdiction.

How would one challenge jurisdiction if you were physically present in the geographic area that the officer and court are assigned to?
 
For the sake of argument -

Let's say he and the girl were shopping. She decides to pocket something, he says put it back, she says no, then he says we're getting out of here....

She is arrested he is ticketed.

Is there anything he could do other than plead the fifth, bring character witnesses that say "this sweet little boy doesn't steal", and hope for a suspended sentence that will disappear if he keeps out of trouble?
 
I don't get it - you HAVE to be given a lawyer if there us a jail sentence involved.

Right to free counsel is only for indigents. If the court decides he's not an indigent--i.e., he's wealthy enough to afford to hire an attorney--then he's S.O.L. until he hires an atty or finds one who will work pro bono.

He can claim to be indigent all he wants. Until he fills out that financial statement form with the county and they determine whether or not he is eligible, the presumption is that he's not.

If they do find he's not able to afford an attorney, then because there's a potential for 30 days in jail, he'd be entitled to an attorney.
 
Right to free counsel is only for indigents. If the court decides he's not an indigent--i.e., he's wealthy enough to afford to hire an attorney--then he's S.O.L. until he hires an atty or finds one who will work pro bono.

He can claim to be indigent all he wants. Until he fills out that financial statement form with the county and they determine whether or not he is eligible, the presumption is that he's not.

If they do find he's not able to afford an attorney, then because there's a potential for 30 days in jail, he'd be entitled to an attorney.

That's why I linked to the form he has to fill out. There is a standard formula. I had a municipal issue and they actually applied their own standard and denied me while the superior court applied the proper state wide formula and approved me twice (for filing without costs). Now I'm going to sue them on civil rights - denial of equal protection under the law.

This young man was supposed to contact me personally, but didn't. I guess he didn't get what he was looking for here.
 
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Right to free counsel is only for indigents. If the court decides he's not an indigent--i.e., he's wealthy enough to afford to hire an attorney--then he's S.O.L. until he hires an atty or finds one who will work pro bono.

He can claim to be indigent all he wants. Until he fills out that financial statement form with the county and they determine whether or not he is eligible, the presumption is that he's not.

If they do find he's not able to afford an attorney, then because there's a potential for 30 days in jail, he'd be entitled to an attorney.

I filed out a form.

I have no job, no source of income, and I live with a friend.
 
I already filled out that form....

That was apart of the form I had to fill out to request a lawyer....
 
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