Democrats Turn to Minimum Wage as 2014 Strategy

[kathy88]

Republicans are no more of a friend to the common man than democrats, they're opposite sides of the same coin...

Bend over and like it.....

no doubt! It boggles my mind that anyone would think differently.

 

[angelatc]

The GOP won't get ahead as long as they're kept on defense.

 

[parocks]

Just make it a million dollars. Then we can all be millionaires.

They've never, ever, ever raised the minimum wage before. This is unprecedented. Oh, wait, they raise the minimum wage all the time, without much controversy.

 

[iFree]

Why not just raise the minimum wage to $50/hour? How about $100? That'll get the voters on the Dems' side... that is, until everybody loses their jobs and the only positions left are with the federal gov. Hmm... it's almost *too* easy.

 

[parocks]

If congress is going to seriously consider it, why not just raise min. wage to a partial adjustment to inflation? Or would that be showing that the value of the dollar has decreased too much in recent times...?

Apparently no one here understands that the Federal Minimum Wage started in 1938, and it was a quarter an hour. It goes up all the time and it doesn't actually effect the overall economy very much.

The people who benefit from keeping the minimum wage low support the Romney's and not the Paul's. But the Romney supporters are plenty happy to have Ron Paul supporters taking the "screw the poor people who actually work" side of the issue.

We don't live in a free market. McDonald's has a dollar value menu. Prices of the inputs change all the time, yet McDonalds is able to keep the prices the same.

We don't want to be fighting this battle.

Until the Government stops taking so much of our money, we don't live in a free market. So, put away your charts and graphs. McDonalds is an oligopoly, Supermarkets are oligopolies, the Government takes half our money to spy on us, squeezing the nuts of the poorest folks doesn't make us any friends.

 

[DamianTV]

Apparently no one here understands that the Federal Minimum Wage started in 1938, and it was a quarter an hour. It goes up all the time and it doesn't actually effect the overall economy very much.

The people who benefit from keeping the minimum wage low support the Romney's and not the Paul's. But the Romney supporters are plenty happy to have Ron Paul supporters taking the "screw the poor people who actually work" side of the issue.

We don't live in a free market. McDonald's has a dollar value menu. Prices of the inputs change all the time, yet McDonalds is able to keep the prices the same.

We don't want to be fighting this battle.

Until the Government stops taking so much of our money, we don't live in a free market. So, put away your charts and graphs. McDonalds is an oligopoly, Supermarkets are oligopolies, the Government takes half our money to spy on us, squeezing the nuts of the poorest folks doesn't make us any friends.

Exactly.

Dont forget that companies that pay Federal Minimum Wage are subsidised by way of Govt handouts.

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I try to explain the difference between Quantity and Value of Money all the time. Anyone care to explain it back to me?

 

[parocks]

Why not just raise the minimum wage to $50/hour? How about $100? That'll get the voters on the Dems' side... that is, until everybody loses their jobs and the only positions left are with the federal gov. Hmm... it's almost *too* easy.

Huh? I think we should just keep doing what we always do, which is to raise the minimum wage a little bit, every so often, to keep pace with inflation.

You do know we've had the minimum wage since 1938, right? And that the minimum wage has gone up dozens of times? Well, nows the time again. No big deal.

Bigger issues are out there.

Was listening to a sporting event on the radio. There was an ad on the radio. Don't drink and drive. We took your money, and we'll arrest you. And we took your money to buy this ad, telling you that we took you money to buy cops who are going to arrest you. Things that that. Basically, everything in the world except the minimum wage, really sucks.

And if libertarians think that griping about poor people not being poor enough is solid thinking, they're sorely mistaken. We don't live in a free market.

 

[MelissaWV]

 

[angelatc]

Apparently no one here understands that the Federal Minimum Wage started in 1938, and it was a quarter an hour. It goes up all the time and it doesn't actually effect the overall economy very much.

The people who benefit from keeping the minimum wage low support the Romney's and not the Paul's. But the Romney supporters are plenty happy to have Ron Paul supporters taking the "screw the poor people who actually work" side of the issue.

Yeah, right. It goes up all the time, and our economy gets worse and worse. More and more companies move their factories out of America. But that doesn't hurt the economy? Have you been smoking crack?

Dude, if there was no minimum wage, I'd have a couple of high school kids working for me already. And I'm not the only one. Raising the minimum wage only serves to make it harder to start a new business.

 

[tsai3904]

We don't want to be fighting this battle.

We need to fight this battle. Minimum wage is economics 101. If someone can learn to understand the harmful effects of minimum wage, then they should be able to understand most economic concepts.

 

[TaftFan]

Another angle the Republicans could use is that this would increase inflation and hurt the elderly and the poor.

 

[parocks]

Exactly.

Dont forget that companies that pay Federal Minimum Wage are subsidised by way of Govt handouts.

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I try to explain the difference between Quantity and Value of Money all the time. Anyone care to explain it back to me?

Libertarians have a problem distinguishing between practical solutions to today's problems and "ideal world" solutions. Ideally everyone gets to keep their money. Because they keep their money, they have it to spend. But we don't live in "ideal world" at all.

Day 1 of Econ 101 in college they tell you that we don't live in a free market. Day 2 they forget that, and pretend that we do.

Standard charts and graphs apply in fantasy land. And yes, no doubt, free markets work best to get the people the stuff they want.

And yes, no doubt, a hike in the minimum wage is bound to be inflationary. But nowhere near what people think it's going to be.
Fight the right battles. There is so much sht, and it's getting worse. The minimum wage people, who actually do stuff that I like, like handing me my food, putting my food on the shelfs of the stores, etc etc. I got no problem with them. And 1 out of 50 might lose their job, or might lose 10% of their hours (probably Obamacare related). But they do get a raise. That's real money to them. We aren't talking about the government taking our money to buy ads to remind us that they take our money to push us around. For me, it's decent poor people who aren't screwing me over getting a little raise. And that's just something that has been true my entire lifetime, and probably everyone here's entire lifetime unless there are 75 year olds on this board. There is inflation. It's not being caused by min wage hikes (primarily).

Get rid of the Fed Gov workers COLA. Fire Gov workers. Let us keep our money. We have extra money. We want to spend it. That's where wage hikes should be coming from - the labor is needed, because there's money being spent. But all our money goes to the NSA apparently. I'm guessing housing prices are still doing up in the DC area. The spies gotta live close to big spy buildings near Washington, DC.

Here's another thing. I'd like to see young people with more money in their pocket. They're cooler than old people. Or should be, they typically are. When young consumers have more money to spend, there are more choices for younger, cooler people.

Look what Obamacare did. "Hey young people, we know you won't be going to a hospital anywhere as often as someone 30 years older than you, but we will change you the same as the old people." Younger folks are simply getting screwed.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I love it. If I run in 2014, I'm going to call for a $100 an hour min. wage. I'll encourage all other Republicans to also support it. $100 an hour an NO LESS because people deserve it. I will not compromise on this issue because the voters deserve my FULL support!

Put up or shut up

 

[limequat]

Here is a talking point:

"Raising the minimum wage outlaws jobs that are worth less than the minimum wage." Why do you hate the poor?

That one can be tough for the economically illiterate to get their head around.
I like the $1 million minimum wage already proposed. If you can suggest it with a straight face, it could incite some rational though in the receiver of said statement.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm starting to think we should stop fighting them and let them have everything they want and more...

Just let go of the rope and watch them fall.

 

[limequat]

I love it. If I run in 2014, I'm going to call for a $100 an hour min. wage. I'll encourage all other Republicans to also support it. $100 an hour an NO LESS because people deserve it. I will not compromise on this issue because the voters deserve my FULL support!

Put up or shut up

Lol, awesome! You have my support! I can't think of anything that would kill the economy faster.

 

[limequat]

I'm starting to think we should stop fighting them and let them have everything they want and more...

Just let go of the rope and watch them fall.

Yes of course. That picture sums up the minimum wage fight perfectly.

 

[tsai3904]

Here's another thing. I'd like to see young people with more money in their pocket. They're cooler than old people. Or should be, they typically are. When young consumers have more money to spend, there are more choices for younger, cooler people.

And raising the minimum wage hurts the young the most. They are the ones least likely to get jobs if minimum wage is raised. You talk about the fast food workers benefiting by getting raises but you ignore those who would be unable to find a job because of the minimum wage. If minimum wage is $10/hr and a kid out of high school can't get a job but is willing to work for $8/hr, how does the minimum wage benefit him?

 

[parocks]

Another angle the Republicans could use is that this would increase inflation and hurt the elderly and the poor.

Just agree with them, argue about the numbers a little bit, come up with an answer like 8,9,10 over successive years. Just like it always is. Taking the side of 25% against the 75% on an issue that's been around since 1938, there's gotta be something else to talk about. I'd like to see huge paycuts for FedGov workers. Taking our money, against our will, spending on sht we don't want. And paying their minions much bigger $ than minimum wage. Knock all FedGov workers down to minimum wage. Periodic minimum wage hikes are the main thing for hard working poor people. I'm not against them. They should have a thing. That's their thing, I don't think we should be screwing them.

 

[otherone]

ROFL!
All Barry has to do is FINE workers who make less than $10 per hour! That'll fix things!