Democraticunderground (socialist forums) torn up about Ron Paul...

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Seems like about 1/2 at least respect Ron Paul and another 1/2 are idiot socialists who feel threatened by him and call him a 'racist.' Some pretty partisan morons there that look like they belong right up there with the Bolsheviks. Heres some good posts however...



"No offense, but if he and his supporters manage to capture the Republican nomination against all odds, they have pulled off an INCREDIBLE coup. He's not likely to self-destruct; we already know what we don't like about him, and considering his Libertarian nature I'd be shocked if there were any big skeletons in his closet that hadn't been uncovered by then. The mainstream r's hate him every bit as much, and perhaps more, than he is hated here.
No, the implications of him achieving a nomination are probably bad for the dem candidate. We'd lose half of our major issues - including the anti-Republican, anti-war vote. The best bet is to hope he finishes with enough votes for his message to be taken seriously, but not enough to win."



"He is tapping into some sort of disaffection with the rest of the field.
I suspect many of his supporters don't know all of his weird stands on social issues, but are glomming onto to his anti-war (and anti-drug war) stance. I bet some of them would vote for Paul first, then Kucinich. (I'm not trying to trash Kucinich by association here; merely suggesting that Paul is getting some of the anti-war vote that Kucinich also appeals to...and suggesting that many Paul supporters are just not that sophisticated about all this ideological stuff and just want out of the war.)
To merely deride his supporters instead of trying to figure out what's going on is not smart politics."
 
"Agreed. Some of Paul's positions are great.
Some... not so much. And he does tend to stand out in the Republican field, all alone, with his anti-war stance."
 
Very telling statement.

This guy is spot on:

"I don't think he believes in interjecting every one of his beliefs into public policy. In fact, I don't think it would hurt to have someone come in who is against big government and for a balanced budget. He speaks against the powers of the Federal Reserve - that's a biggie.

The democrats are driving more people into his camp every day by their inability to move us forward."
 
I would think liberals value civil liberties, rule of law under the Constitution, non-corporate government that's accountable to the people (including being opposed to the Federal Reserve), and a non-interventionist foreign policy above all else. I imagine those who hate Ron do so because they can't stand the idea of giving the people greater control over welfare programs by leaving all social services to the states. Petty, really.
 
sasquatch (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-17-07 02:06 PM
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1. Ron Paul is one of the very few people I want to see win the nomination
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 02:13 PM by sasquatch
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-17-07 02:14 PM
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7. Oops, I want to see a dem win too I just had a brainfart in my post
 
and perhaps more, than he is hated here

so what, these folks hate freedom?

socialism is like the half-assed version of communism which is the opposite of freedom!

ugh don't get me started on the socialists. they'll never understand. saving darfur and giving to the poor makes them think they're better than those low, racists republicans. ha!
 
The problem with armchair socialists is that they really believe all that government power can be monopolized by well intended people.
 
ugh don't get me started on the socialists. they'll never understand. saving darfur and giving to the poor makes them think they're better than those low, racists republicans. ha!

Can you really blame them though? What have the Republicans done well lately?

*crickets chirping*

So, I think they just don't know any better, and are latching onto what they perceive to be the only opposition to the big-spending, imperialistic, civil-liberties stomping Republicans of our day.
 
Can you really blame them though? What have the Republicans done well lately?

*crickets chirping*

So, I think they just don't know any better, and are latching onto what they perceive to be the only opposition to the big-spending, imperialistic, civil-liberties stomping Republicans of our day.

ooh, ooh i can answer this one: they waltzed and or shimmied into Iraq and now against all intelligence [literally intelligence reports] they want to sidle up to tehran with Abrams tanks
 
I would not be surprised in the slightest if some people didn't like Ron Paul for the sole reason that he is running as a republican.
 
Can you really blame them though? What have the Republicans done well lately?

*crickets chirping*

So, I think they just don't know any better, and are latching onto what they perceive to be the only opposition to the big-spending, imperialistic, civil-liberties stomping Republicans of our day.

You mean Neo-cons. There is a difference.

If you pit a true republican like Ron Paul against a socialist/democrat, there is no contest.
 
Similar reaction on the Dailykos site. They are talking about the moneybomb over the weekend and there are several defending Ron Paul against typical liberal criticisms. The common theme I hear is that even if a liberal disagrees with Ron Paul's policy positions, they view him as the candidate with the most honesty, integrity, and sincerity compared to all the other establishment candidates including Hillary and Obama.
 
Similar reaction on the Dailykos site. They are talking about the moneybomb over the weekend and there are several defending Ron Paul against typical liberal criticisms. The common theme I hear is that even if a liberal disagrees with Ron Paul's policy positions, they view him as the candidate with the most honesty, integrity, and sincerity compared to all the other establishment candidates including Hillary and Obama.

They have their agenda. Socialism.

The rest are just too stupid or naive to know what is going on.

Really, most people shouldn't even be allowed to vote. It's almost scary that so many people don't even know what is truly going on.
 
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I would not be surprised in the slightest if some people didn't like Ron Paul for the sole reason that he is running as a republican.

They're too ignorant to know what a Republican is. They believe what the controlled marxist news media has been telling them for the past 40 years.

Then when a fake-republican channel like fox snooze comes on the air, they hear about george bush(a neocon), they don't grasp that he isn't a real republican. Ironically he is dead on with democrats historically by pushing for foreign wars and globalism(wilson, fdr), letting illegals flood in(johnson). etc.


Thanks the gods that some former democrats had brains and actually saw the light through the tunnel. Thus coming over to Ron Paul.
 
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"I suspect many of his supporters don't know all of his weird stands on social issues, but are glomming onto to his anti-war (and anti-drug war) stance. I bet some of them would vote for Paul first, then Kucinich. [...] To merely deride his supporters instead of trying to figure out what's going on is not smart politics."


LMAO
To me it seems that he doesnt grasp the stand of Ron Paul on many of these issues himself. Ofcourse there isn't a 100% agreement-level with Ron Paul by most people, but that isn't needed. Next to that, i do believe this guy that is quoted can be coverted into a paulite when he discovers what ron paul really stands for!
my guess is that he doesnt know the practical overthinking that ron paul has done and wants gradual changes, not abrupt changes.
 
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