Democratic Underground are hypocrites and censor Ron Paul information.

[libertyisntdead]

Today I posted 2 pro Ron Paul threads on democraticunderground.com's forum. The first was this anti-war Ron Paul Video I made in there political video section (I read their terms of use and I wasn't breaking any of the forum rules). The video was originally titled Why We Fight In Under 6 Minutes. The Real Cost of Endless War. BYOB. I have since changed the title to reflect my feelings towards Democratic Underground. I had posted another thread asking Why should anti-war Democrats continue to support Obama and mentioned Ron Paul is the only true anti war candidate. Minutes later my posts were deleted and my account disabled. I had googled Democratic Underground censorship and it seems they do in fact censor videos and posts they don't find that fits their agenda. (Prison Planet videos are just one example). The thing I find most hypocritical about this is that before Obama was in office the left and especially the far left were the most vocal anti-war people out there. Now that he's in office and is continuing our warmongering ways, there doesn't seem to be much of an outcry or at least if you point out that there is a real true anti-war candidate they censor that information. Not very "democratic" to me.

 

[V3n]

Michael Moore has come out with some anti-war/anti-Obama (if he keeps us in war) sentiment lately, I wonder how they would do with some of his posts..?

Either way, 4 years ago I was deleted from a couple GOP sites before I realized "I'm not supposed to like Ron Paul."; it's going to happen, don't let it get you down, keep fightin' the good fight!

 

[specsaregood]

To be fair, you wouldn't last long here on rpfs promoting big govt warmonger candidates such as Obama.

 

[libertyisntdead]

Thanks for the kind words V3n. My biggest fear is that someday and sooner rather than later the internet is gonna have the same type of censorship as mainstream corporate media. If that happens then God help us all!

 

[libertyisntdead]

@specsaregood. I understand what you're saying. It just kinda blew my mind that a progressive far left website isn't much different than a neoconservative one when it comes to criticism of foreign policy. Strange times we live in indeed.

 

[klamath]

What you have to realize it it is the democratic (Party) underground. It doesn't matter what a person stands for as long as he is a democrat. That is their mission statement- elect democrats

 

[libertyisntdead]

It's sad when their Democratic candidates don't even support their progressive ideals. Sellouts if you ask me.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

How are they hypocrites? Their site owner, and the forum rules, say specifically it's a website dedicated "to support democratic candidates for political office." Promoting a Republican (Ron Paul) is not helping democrats.

 

[specsaregood]

It's sad when their Democratic candidates don't even support their progressive ideals. Sellouts if you ask me.

There is where you are wrong. Our current foreign policy IS a progressive foreign policy/ideal. The neocons ARE progressives.

 

[TheViper]

Thanks for the kind words V3n. My biggest fear is that someday and sooner rather than later the internet is gonna have the same type of censorship as mainstream corporate media. If that happens then God help us all!

The difference is on the Internet, anyone can start a new website and go. Not anyone can start up their own mainstream media network. If you don't like a web sites policies, find a different one or make your own.

 

[libertyisntdead]

One thought is to try and convert the liberal anti war crowd over to Ron Paul. Far left liberals such as Dennis Kucinich have much in common with Ron Paul as far as where they stand on our foreign policy. I'm aware of neoconservatives liberal past and realize the American people need to see beyond the false left/right dichotomy in politics and how most of congress is sold out to the powerful special interests (bankers, military, yadda yadda yadda.) My gut tells me most people instinctively understand all of this yet are afraid to do anything about it or feel hopeless. Ron Paul represents someone unafraid to stand up to the status quo and speak the truth and hold moral convictions. The communists in Russia tried to abolish religion. The liberals in this country glorify moral relativism. A politician like Ron Paul speaks to the hearts and minds of moral free thinking men and women and the establishment has good reason to fear a revolutionary politician like him.

 

[TheViper]

Far left liberals like to have a lot of domestic government so they are unlikely to like Ron Paul outside of perhaps his foreign policy.

 

[libertyisntdead]

Good point. I'm hopeful that a good amount of them will evolve into a libertarian though. I won't hold my breathe.

 

[showpan]

There is where you are wrong. Our current foreign policy IS a progressive foreign policy/ideal. The neocons ARE progressives.

Kristol described a neoconservative as a "liberal mugged by reality"....lol...who's reality, I don't know. Big government, globalization, open borders, preemptive first strike, interventionism and perpetual wars to promote liberal democracy, etc are all liberal ideals used to promote their NWO.
Progressive democrats are a mixture of conservative and socialist ideals. Smaller government, end the wars, end the bailouts, end the FED, end NAFTA, SS, medicare, universal health care but not like Obamacare, more like medicare or single payer.

Since Obama has disenfranchised many of his own party, namely the progressive Democrats who thought he would end the neocon policies...lol...the mid term elections were not won by republicans because people felt that republicans would best serve their interests, they won because the progressive Democrats stayed home. I doubt this will happen again and I would be willing to bet that progressive support of Ron Paul will increase if his supporters do not chase them away.

I was banned from Democratic underground for pointing out that Kissinger supported Obama...I posted the Youtube and listed all of the neocons that Obama had picked for his cabinet and all of the same Bush policies he expanded.

 

[angelatc]

Today I posted 2 pro Ron Paul threads on democraticunderground.com's forum. The first was this anti-war Ron Paul Video I made http://youtu.be/bjFKvgrbYgA in there political video section (I read their terms of use and I wasn't breaking any of the forum rules). The video was originally titled Why We Fight In Under 6 Minutes. The Real Cost of Endless War. BYOB. I have since changed the title to reflect my feelings towards Democratic Underground. I had posted another thread asking Why should anti-war Democrats continue to support Obama and mentioned Ron Paul is the only true anti war candidate. Minutes later my posts were deleted and my account disabled. I had googled Democratic Underground censorship and it seems they do in fact censor videos and posts they don't find that fits their agenda. (Prison Planet videos are just one example). The thing I find most hypocritical about this is that before Obama was in office the left and especially the far left were the most vocal anti-war people out there. Now that he's in office and is continuing our warmongering ways, there doesn't seem to be much of an outcry or at least if you point out that there is a real true anti-war candidate they censor that information. Not very "democratic" to me.

Their rules state pretty clearly that they exist to support Democrats, and to advance the Democratic agenda. Paul isn't a Democrat.

 

[KingRobbStark]

To be fair, you wouldn't last long here on rpfs promoting big govt warmonger candidates such as Obama.

At least you wouldn't be censored. Besides, those who promote big government in this forum end up being converted to our cause within a week or two.

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

Not surprised.

Same as daily kos.

 

[libertyisntdead]

That's exactly what I think they (democratic underground) fear. If their "followers" actually listened to Ron Paul and read what he was all about and really thought about it, he would win many of them over. That's why they censor. Their cause isn't built on truth.

 

[acptulsa]

Democrat to be sure. Underground? Not so much. But, hey, everyone likes to pretend. My advice is go to the places that let you speak, speak, and then praise those places for being on the side of free speech before you leave.

Far left liberals like to have a lot of domestic government so they are unlikely to like Ron Paul outside of perhaps his foreign policy.

Not at all. All we need to do is demonstrate to them how much better it is to do this stuff on the state and local level than on the federal level, as this keeps the attendant totalitarianism restricted to one geographic region. It works, believe me. They are as anti-corporatist as they are peace-loving, and they are more likely to see the connection between corporatism and war than most. We not only can win them over, we're doing it. Not on the level of the DNC, like this self-deluded 'Underground' site, but in the hearts and minds of their base.

That's exactly what I think they (democratic underground) fear. If their "followers" actually listened to Ron Paul and read what he was all about and really thought about it, he would win many of them over. That's why they censor. Their cause isn't built on truth.

You're exactly right, and thanks for helping spread the truth about them. It's useful to publicly seperate the wheat from the chaff. Both may sound liberal enough, but Anderson Cooper won't tell the truth, Ted Rall will. There you go.

 

[libertyisntdead]

It seems like the Democrats support the first amendment, except when they don't like what is being said.