Delta commuter jet lands hard at Toronto, capsizes and burns, no fatalities

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Delta Airlines plane flips on landing in Toronto and a badly hurt child is among 8 casualties

https://www.breitbart.com/news/delt...and-a-badly-hurt-child-is-among-8-casualties/

17 Feb 2025

TORONTO (AP) — A badly injured child is among eight people who were hurt Monday when a Delta Airlines plane flipped upon arrival at Toronto’s Pearson Airport.

The airport confirmed on X that an “incident” occurred with the Delta flight from Minneapolis and that all 80 passengers and crew are accounted for. One passenger is critically injured and seven others were also hurt, paramedics said.
 
There is some poor quality video out from the approach end of the runway which shows the landing.

They POUNDED it into the ground with a very high descent rate.

There is an almost foolproof way to score this:

The more the "authorities" and "airline experts" play up the freak meteorological phenomenon angle, the more they are downplaying the importance of the experience level and the training of the pilots.

The following video should frighten the general public.

This chik learned to fly about four years ago as a career changer at the age of 34. She was hired by Envoy Airlines, a regional airline which is wholly-owned by American. She intentionally bypassed upgrading to captain for years because she wanted the better schedule that comes with seniority on the co-pilot side. This is a classic sign of low self-confidence or feedback that she's not good enough to upgrade.

She has recently upgraded to captain just a handful of months ago and she proudly announces that she's been selected to be a line check captain. A line check captain is an experience captain that flies with new copilots and captains fresh out of initial training as well as performing periodic standards monitoring.

It just so happens that she has featured Envoy Airlines in her youtube channel for years and seems to have their permission to act as a DEI recruiter.

I know what some of you are thinking: "That's just Sparebulb blowing his racist hole about wymyn in the cockpit." Note: I'm immune from being called a racist because I officially have negro ancestry.

In this gem of a video, our brand new sparkling DEI check airman admits that she suffers from "Imposter Syndrome" where she doesn't believe that she actually where she is and has ideation that she's worried that she will not know how to respond to an emergency. She also admits that her check airman for either her initial copilot or captain line training was none other than her husband, another check airman.

Folks, this is going on in every woke airline in the country. The more you recognize the name of the airline, the more woke they are.

Just how surprised are you that there are crews out there flying every day who cannot handle a normal landing with high headwinds and a crosswind component?

 
It is very likely that neither crew member had ever landed in high headwinds and had no idea of how much thrust it took to maintain a normal descent rate all the way to the pavement.

This is what it looks like with a system where experience was not rewarded for decades until there was a deliberate purge of senior captains at the major airlines and a demographic purge of attrition due to the babyboomers aging out. Forced airline consolidation over the years eliminated thousands of jobs and opportunities for employees of all types and left four airlines to do woke gatekeeping of hiring and poverty at all of the lower levels of the food chain.

This is what the end result will be. Rest assured, this scenario will be talked about in every airline recurrent training and a few people will remember that you need to keep power in all the way to landing.

Or maybe the manufacturers will team up with Elon to come up with more automation............
 
The more the "authorities" and "airline experts" play up the freak meteorological phenomenon angle, the more they are downplaying the importance of the experience level and the training of the pilots.

I'm calling bullshit on the weather phenomenon angle. The video shows a pretty steady rate of decline and looks like a normal landing except the pilot made *zero* effort to flare the aircraft.

All three wheels touched the ground at the same time... 100% pilot error.

My guess is that the snow on the ground created some kind of visual illusion that caused the pilot to think they were farther above the ground than they were.

That same snow probably also saved their lives. Flipping the plane like that would normally be fatal.

Probably some DEI bullshit as usual
 
I'm calling bull$#@! on the weather phenomenon angle. The video shows a pretty steady rate of decline and looks like a normal landing except the pilot made *zero* effort to flare the aircraft.

All three wheels touched the ground at the same time... 100% pilot error.

My guess is that the snow on the ground created some kind of visual illusion that caused the pilot to think they were farther above the ground than they were.

That same snow probably also saved their lives. Flipping the plane like that would normally be fatal.

Probably some DEI bull$#@! as usual

Probably climate change causing windier winds and snowier snow contributed to this.
 
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This chik learned to fly about four years ago as a career changer at the age of 34. She was hired by Envoy Airlines, a regional airline which is wholly-owned by American. She intentionally bypassed upgrading to captain for years because she wanted the better schedule that comes with seniority on the co-pilot side. This is a classic sign of low self-confidence or feedback that she's not good enough to upgrade.

She has recently upgraded to captain just a handful of months ago and she proudly announces that she's been selected to be a line check captain. A line check captain is an experience captain that flies with new copilots and captains fresh out of initial training as well as performing periodic standards monitoring.

It just so happens that she has featured Envoy Airlines in her youtube channel for years and seems to have their permission to act as a DEI recruiter.

I know what some of you are thinking: "That's just Sparebulb blowing his racist hole about wymyn in the cockpit." Note: I'm immune from being called a racist because I officially have negro ancestry.

In this gem of a video, our brand new sparkling DEI check airman admits that she suffers from "Imposter Syndrome" where she doesn't believe that she actually where she is and has ideation that she's worried that she will not know how to respond to an emergency. She also admits that her check airman for either her initial copilot or captain line training was none other than her husband, another check airman.
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I won't watch because I still have to fly, and cringe every time I see a female in the cockpit. It is a gross generalization based on living in the real world. Obviously, such a generalization does not apply to every individual, but as a gross generalization, any honest woman, who is not suicidally woke, would agree.

Politeness and political correctness have no place in hiring critical, complex and skilled position like an airline pilot, where tens or hundreds of people's lives depend upon talent, skill, experience and execution.

There are going to be good pilots of any sex or race. But to artificially put people in positions who are not talented and skilled just to fill some DEI quota that has nothing to do with doing the job is insane. It is anti-science.
 
I won't watch because I still have to fly, and cringe every time I see a female in the cockpit. It is a gross generalization based on living in the real world. Obviously, such a generalization does not apply to every individual, but as a gross generalization, any honest woman, who is not suicidally woke, would agree.

Politeness and political correctness have no place in hiring critical, complex and skilled position like an airline pilot, where tens or hundreds of people's lives depend upon talent, skill, experience and execution.

There are going to be good pilots of any sex or race. But to artificially put people in positions who are not talented and skilled just to fill some DEI quota that has nothing to do with doing the job is insane. It is anti-science.

You should watch and you should certainly cringe.

Generalizations would be lies if they didn't have a certain percentage of truth to them.

THEY will not allow you to know what that percentage is.

And demonize you for daring to ask.
 
You should watch and you should certainly cringe.

Generalizations would be lies if they didn't have a certain percentage of truth to them.

THEY will not allow you to know what that percentage is.

And demonize you for daring to ask.

At this point, "demonization" by the left is a badge of honor. They overplayed their hand. They are liars and hypocrites at every turn. Never back down because they engage in name calling (unless you are in Europe, where they will destroy you and imprison you for ungood think).
 
It is very likely that neither crew member had ever landed in high headwinds and had no idea of how much thrust it took to maintain a normal descent rate all the way to the pavement.

This is what it looks like with a system where experience was not rewarded for decades until there was a deliberate purge of senior captains at the major airlines and a demographic purge of attrition due to the babyboomers aging out. Forced airline consolidation over the years eliminated thousands of jobs and opportunities for employees of all types and left four airlines to do woke gatekeeping of hiring and poverty at all of the lower levels of the food chain.

This is what the end result will be. Rest assured, this scenario will be talked about in every airline recurrent training and a few people will remember that you need to keep power in all the way to landing.

Or maybe the manufacturers will team up with Elon to come up with more automation............

Looks to me like a classic new pilot error, a "pancake" landing.

Maybe some spatial disorientation due to snow glare/whiteout combined with a fast approach due to gusty winds with a pretty good crosswind component.

Screwgle tells me the CRJ-900s are equipped with an autolanding system, was that engaged, overidden, overloaded?

Screwgle also tells me that the CRJ900s are equipped with enhanced ground proximity warning systems, which should have given the pilots verbal warnings on sink rate and ground proximity and distance off.

Interesting to note that they have not released the PIC or 1st Officer's names yet.
 
I won't watch because I still have to fly, and cringe every time I see a female in the cockpit.

I have flown with my daughter, who is current right now (unlike me) and I trust her judgement.

But I have also turned around and walked back up the jetway when I have seen two females in the cockpit.

I cannot possibly know every single person like I can my own child.

Generalizations exist for a reason and they will help keep you alive.

I do not need to cuddle every rattlesnake I find, to determine if they are "friendly" or not.

Or act like this retard did:

https://x.com/garyanddino/status/1891532288548049114

 
You should watch and you should certainly cringe.

Generalizations would be lies if they didn't have a certain percentage of truth to them.

THEY will not allow you to know what that percentage is.

And demonize you for daring to ask.
I have flown with my daughter, who is current right now (unlike me) and I trust her judgement.

But I have also turned around and walked back up the jetway when I have seen two females in the cockpit.

I cannot possibly know every single person like I can my own child.

Generalizations exist for a reason and they will help keep you alive.
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Well, they did a pretty good job of burying this story and sweeping it under the rug.

And of course, as AF stated, actually knowing the skill and experience level of an individual pilot is an entirely different situation that having to make an assumption or generalization, especially in a DEI (or cost saving) environment where vetting is questionable.

Delta has confirmed that the co-pilot was a young female, but who was actually flying on landing is unknown. Rumors abound that she was flying the plane, and that it was a "check" flight, which would be eerily similar to the Blackhawk that flew into a passenger jet.

 
Related?

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Screwgle also tells me that the CRJ900s are equipped with enhanced ground proximity warning systems, which should have given the pilots verbal warnings on sink rate and ground proximity and distance off.

Sink rate was nominal. There would be no ground proximity warnings with gears down, flaps deployed.

The video shows a pretty ordinary landing, except complete lack of any attempt to flare.
 
Sink rate was nominal. There would be no ground proximity warnings with gears down, flaps deployed.

The video shows a pretty ordinary landing, except complete lack of any attempt to flare.

Via Grok:

The jet that flipped over in Canada refers to the Delta Air Lines regional jet (Flight 4819, a CRJ-900 operated by Endeavor Air) that crashed at Toronto Pearson International Airport on February 17, 2025. According to the preliminary report from the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB), released on March 20, 2025, several key factors contributed to the incident, though a definitive cause has not yet been determined as the investigation is ongoing.

The plane was descending at an excessively high rate—over 1,100 feet per minute, nearly twice the threshold for a "hard landing" per Endeavor Air’s flight operations manual—triggering a ground proximity warning 2.6 seconds before touchdown. Upon landing, the right main landing gear’s side-stay fractured, causing the gear to collapse into the retracted position. This led to the wing root fracturing between the fuselage and the landing gear, detaching the right wing and releasing a cloud of jet fuel that ignited. The aircraft then rolled to the right, flipped upside down, and slid along the runway, coming to rest inverted.

The report notes high wind gusts and a rapid descent as challenges faced by the crew, but it does not pinpoint a single cause, such as pilot error or mechanical failure, stating that "the exact sequence of these events is still to be determined." The TSB emphasized that accidents often result from multiple interconnected factors, including potential systemic issues beyond the aircraft itself. Further analysis of the wing structure, landing gear, and pilot training is underway, with a full report expected later. For now, the collapse of the landing gear due to the fracture, combined with the high-speed descent, appears central to why the jet flipped.

Is there an official report?

Yes, there is an official preliminary report regarding the Delta Air Lines Flight 4819 crash at Toronto Pearson International Airport. The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) released this preliminary report on March 20, 2025, as part of their ongoing investigation into the incident that occurred on February 17, 2025.

The report details that the aircraft, a CRJ-900 operated by Endeavor Air, experienced a high rate of descent—over 1,100 feet per minute—triggering a ground proximity warning 2.6 seconds before touchdown. It notes that the right main landing gear’s side-stay fractured upon landing, causing the gear to collapse, followed by the right wing detaching and a fire ensuing as the plane flipped upside down and slid along the runway. The TSB highlights that high wind gusts and a rapid descent were challenges for the crew, but it explicitly states that "it is too early to draw conclusions as to the causes of this accident," emphasizing that a full investigation report with definitive findings is still forthcoming.

This preliminary report is publicly available through the TSB’s official channels, such as their website (tsb.gc.ca), under investigation number A25O0021. However, it does not assign a final cause—whether mechanical failure, pilot error, or other factors—pending further analysis of the wreckage, flight data, and other evidence.
 
The video shows a pretty ordinary landing, except complete lack of any attempt to flare.

If there had been more the nose would have been higher, and neither wingtip would have been that close to the ground when the pilot failed to keep it level.

They're wings, not plows. Gotta keep them off the ground.

Grok said:
Upon landing, the right main landing gear’s side-stay fractured, causing the gear to collapse into the retracted position. This led to the wing root fracturing between the fuselage and the landing gear, detaching the right wing and releasing a cloud of jet fuel that ignited.

Based on the video I saw, I'm not sure how they can be sure the gear failed before the wing parted company with the plane. It looked to me like the wingtip hit the ground before the oleo even got a chance to compress. I haven't gone back and rewatched it yet, but it wasn't a matter of the aircraft touching down level then suddenly dipping to the right. The right wingtip was low before it touched down, as I remember it.

After rewatching, I still say that at the 0:07 mark the right wingtip and the right landing gear touch down simultaneously, and definitely before the left gear gets there. If the wheels touch the ground at the same instant as the right wingtip starts digging a new ditch, who can say the gear disintegrated before the wing disintegrated around it?
 
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"The two-person flight crew was a captain seated in the left seat and monitoring for the flight, and the first officer who was seated in the right seat and was the pilot.

The first officer at the controls had been with Endeavor Air for 13 months at the time of the crash. She holds an airline transport pilot certificate issued by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, and at the time of the crash had accumulated 1,422.3 hours total flight time, including 418.7 hours on the same type of aircraft that crashed, the report says.

She was on the last day of her five-day work cycle.

Her day started in Cleveland, on an 8:19 a.m. flight to Minneapolis that takes about two hours. That left her an hour and 48 minutes before her ill-fated trip to Toronto.

In the previous 30 days before the crash, she had conducted three round-trip flights into and out of Pearson. She had flown 56.3 hours in the previous 30 days, the report says.

The captain of the plane, who was not at the controls, has been with Endeavor since October 2007.

He also holds an airline transport pilot certificate issued by the FAA. He is also a flight simulator instructor. He had 3,570 hours total flight time, including 764 hours on the same aircraft type before the crash.

His day started in Minneapolis and the flight to Toronto was his first of the day. It was also his first flight in seven days; he had worked three days as an instructor and had flown just 3.5 hours in the previous 30 days.

The flight attendant at the front of the plane had three years of experience, all with Endeavor; the attendant in the back had 11 years of experience, five of them with Endeavor.

Their flight was uneventful until the last moments, the report says.

THE CRASH

The pilot received clearance to land on Runway 23 at Pearson airport at 2:12 p.m., using an automated runway approach assistance tool that sends information from the ground to give accurate vertical and horizontal guidance while landing.

According to the Endeavor Air flight manual for that type of aircraft, the airspeed for the final approach to landing should be set at 144 knots. The manual provides a formula for increasing the airspeed “in gusty wind conditions.”

The pilot set the airspeed to 144 knots. “Given the reported wind gusts, the approach was flown at 149 knots,” the report says.

At one second past 2:12 p.m., the plane descended to 500 feet above ground level at 150 knots. Five seconds later the pilot turned off the autopilot.

At 2:12 and 26 seconds, when the plane descended past 175 feet above ground level, the plane’s airspeed was 144 knots. Four seconds later, at 153 feet above the ground, its airspeed was 154 knots.

The pilot pulled back the thrust levers, reducing its thrust, and over the next five seconds, the airspeed began to decrease.

At 12:12:40 — that’s 3.6 seconds before touchdown — the aircraft was 50 feet above the runway, which sets off an alert for flight crews that the plane is 50 feet from ground. It’s an audible alert simply saying “Fifty.” Its airspeed was 145 knots and the rate of descent had increased.

Just one second later, the enhanced ground proximity warning system, an alarm that the plane is in danger, went off, warning of the plane’s “sink rate,” meaning it was going down too fast. The plane’s indicated airspeed was 136 knots.

The plane banked slightly to the right by 4.7 degrees.

The next second, at 2:12:42, the plane was slightly below the automated recommended glide path, but it was tracking the centre line of the runway, the report says.

The descent had increased and so did the banking to the right. It had twisted up to 5.9 degrees.

Less than a second before landing, the plane’s airspeed had dipped to 134 knots but the bank angle had grown to 7.1 degree and its nose was facing one degree up from the ground.

It touched the ground at 2:12:43.6 — a remarkably fine delineation of time. Because the plane was banking to the right, now at 7.5 degrees, it was the right main landing gear that hit the runway first.

A lot happened then, and investigators are not yet precisely sure in what order events occurred.

After contacting the runway, the side-stay attached to the right main landing gear broke, leaving it to fold back into its retracted position.

The wing root, an important part of the wing where it attaches to the airplane’s fuselage, fractured between the fuselage and where the landing gear extends from. Wing roots tend to bear the highest bending force in flight and in landing.

The wing detached from the plane, releasing a cloud of jet fuel, which caught fire.

Jolted and missing a wing, the plane slid along Runway 23. The left wing, still attached, would be still creating lift, the force that pushes a plane up. Without the balanced lift on the right, the plane rolled to the right, completely flipping it upside down.

Once inverted, a large portion of the plane’s tail detached.

The rest of the plane slid off the right side of the runway, travelling about 23 metres into snow-covered grass until it stopped on Runway 15L. The right wing and landing gear kept on going for another 65 metres.

The inverted landing left passengers and crew upside down and disoriented inside the wrecked plane, still, an evacuation began."
 
Via Grok:

That's pretty much consistent with what I said though. The only thing I was wrong about is that technically there was a ground proximity alert, but a ground proximity alert that happens 2.6 seconds before impact is effectively no alert at all.

Prior to the ground proximity alert the sink rate would have been nominal, as I said. And the flare would have needed to happen just a few seconds before the alert went off.

Flaring the aircraft takes it from a normal 1500-2000 fpm to 100 fpm in a matter of a few seconds.
 
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