Delegates in NV - GOOD NEWS!

[JustBcuz]

Is this only for Caucasus? or for the same as Primaries?

This is only for caucus states.

Primary states (usually-KNOW YOUR STATE'S RULES) will just vote, and then split the delegates to the Republican National Convention by the vote totals. Some states are winner take all, like Florida. Whoever wins FL gets ALL of their National delegates.

The delegates to the Republican National Convention (NV has 34) will decide the party nominee for President.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

How did the voting for these delegates actually work?

How did they get elected delegates if there were more people there, say from the Romney voters to vote for their own delegates? This is the part that is really most confusing?

In my precinct we have just enough to fill, so no voting needed. In the case that you are mentioning you have vote for the delegates you want. Basically just put down RP supporters and nothing else, even if it does not fill out the total number needed.

 

[JustBcuz]

How did the voting for these delegates actually work?

How did they get elected delegates if there were more people there, say from the Romney voters to vote for their own delegates? This is the part that is really most confusing?

Any one who wanted to run for delegate could. They just had to raise their hands.

Let's say you had say 5 delegate spots available, & 15 people showed up. If 5 people or fewer ran for delegate, it was over. Those 5 people were delegates. They were running unopposed. That's what happened in my precinct. (Although Paul had 6 of the 11 straw poll votes, he didn't lose to Mitt in MY precinct )

If say 7 people ran for delegate, you'd have a vote. Each one of the 15 people from your precinct gets one vote. They can vote one time for any one of the 7 people running. The top 5 vote getters are delegates.

So lets say our 15 people look like this: 10 Romney, 5 Paul

And lets say our 7 people running look like this: 2 Romney 5 Paul

Romney A 5 votes
Romney B 5 votes
Paul A 3
Paul B 1
Paul C 1
Paul D 0
Paul E 0 (I gave these guys 0 to avoid a tie, and then a runoff, but the result is the same)

RESULTS: Romney 2 delegates Paul 3 delegates

PAUL WINS!!!!

Had more Romney people ran for delegate they would've probably won.

We had Paul supporters running for delegate without declaring support for Dr. Paul. Other candidate's people voted for these guys, because they didn't want to have to go to the county convention. Sometimes they voted for a Ron Paul guy because he was well spoken and polite, and made a good impression.

There are thousands of ways these little elections can turn out. We made sure that Ron Paul supporters in Nevada knew the importance of becoming delegates, and did so.

 

[Carole]

In my precinct we have just enough to fill, so no voting needed. In the case that you are mentioning you have vote for the delegates you want. Basically just put down RP supporters and nothing else, even if it does not fill out the total number needed.

Clear as mud. Huh?

Could you just pretend I am totally stupid and explain that sentence more in detail and clearly. Because, evidently I am totally stupid!

Who is "You" ? If there are tons of people in the room and 50% are Romney people and 15% are Paul people, how does Paul end up getting more delegates voted to him? Are the Paul people not outnumbered during this voting? Who is voting?

 

[Carole]

OOps...disregard I see an explanation below here. Sorry.

 

[phoenixrising]

Not really, remember that Mitt took over 50% of the vote.. not awesome at all.

K guys.........u have got to always remember no matter what the #'s say....we are ALWAYS going for delegates.........so even if RP came in lower in any state..we r focused ONLY on the delegates!!! ...& if needs be ...alternates....EX: iowa is NOT a lost cause!!!

Rodo-- where r u-- PLEASE provide your incredible wisdom once again so people "get it" ...in only the way you do best!

people we have GOT to get this down -- for all caucus sates

 

[Carole]

Okay. thanks. So far that is the best explanation I have seen. I tried reading the Green Papers, but it didn't really help me.

This makes sense I think.

Basically you are saying more people who favored Paul volunteered to be delegates than did for Romney in this example and since everyone gets only one vote, he lost out since he only had two volunteers to be delegates. Non of them actually voted for Paul people, but they used up all their 10 votes to assure their two guys got in.

I appreciate the explanation. Best one I have seen.

 

[buffalokid777]

As I said there will be some flux in counties and such.. it's a numbers game... I totally admit there could be a slight flux, but to say that the voting is not important is just not true. Look at the poster directly before this post, sounds like his whole county is RP strong... plus the delegates can vote any way they like.. so Mitt could get arrested for child porn between now and the county vote... but all things considered Mitt will walk away with most of the delegates.

Mitt's not get arresting for child porn.....

Cruelty to animals? Much more likely....seems he likes to stash dogs rooftop car carriers for long journeys.....

 

[fmontez]

Did you finally understand why Ron Paul might have won Nevada (in terms of delegates) even though Mitt Romney won the caucus?

LOL. NO! NO, NO, NO! Sit down and think through this for a second... ok. jeebers. If you are basing your luck on Ron Paulites sneaking into the delegate ranks as Romneyotes, sure it probably happened in some precints, but not many. Also, consider that some delegates will not show up for county elections, which means their votes are no good. But these are the rare exceptions.

Mitt got more than 50% of the vote, that means he will have the most prec delegates by far, even in the most whacked out PD break down he will have the most county delegates, ergo he will have the hands down most national delegates...

Mitt will take the most national delegates from NV, by far. Now I am finished arguing about this.. .it is silly.. Do your own research. We may not know the exact amount, but a good guess is MR 18+ and RP 4+. Got it?

There is nothing wrong with a little hope, sure we could pick up an extra delegate or 2, and that is great. What I don't like is all the confusion these posts cause! There is no way to know the end results, but we should plan our stragety under a normal assumption.

 

[buffalokid777]

LOL. NO! NO, NO, NO! Sit down and think through this for a second... ok. jeebers.

Mitt got more than 50% of the vote, that means he will have the most prec delegates by far, even in the most whacked out PD break down he will have the most county delegates, ergo he will have the hands down most national delegates...

Mitt will take the most national delegates from MI, by far. Now I am finished arguing about this.. .it is silly.. Do your own research. We may not know the exact amount, but a good guess is MR 18+ and RP 4+. Got it?

You are the one that doesn't seem to get it.

Mitt could have 50% of the vote....but if none of those people volunteer to become delegates.....well he will have no one to vote for him come the state convention. The people who become delegates DON'T have to vote according to today's vote they can pick whoever they choose come the state convention...

And guess what lot's of Mitt's supporters chose not to become delegates unlike Ron Paul's supporters who I gurantee will vote for Ron at the state convention.

by the way fmontez? Don't you feel more at place at Hannity.com.....you are one of the most negative posters I've seen in awhile.....

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Clear as mud. Huh?

Could you just pretend I am totally stupid and explain that sentence more in detail and clearly. Because, evidently I am totally stupid!

Who is "You" ? If there are tons of people in the room and 50% are Romney people and 15% are Paul people, how does Paul end up getting more delegates voted to him? Are the Paul people not outnumbered during this voting? Who is voting?

Yeah sorry I am tired. I can barely make out what I wrote.

I hope the other explanations helped.

If the RP delegates in the precinct you are describing are organized, they make sure that they spread their votes equally across each RP delegate and for no one else.

From my experience I would say the reason we believe we got more than our share of delegates is because almost every RP supporter I know ran as a delegate. This was definately not the case for the other canidates. In my precinct Romney votes out number my RP vote 12 to 1, but I am one of the delegates of the 7 for my precinct so we close the gap insuated by the straw poll.

 

[Michigan11]

Lets donate 21st

 

[JustBcuz]

LOL. NO! NO, NO, NO! Sit down and think through this for a second... ok. jeebers. If you are basing your luck on Ron Paulites sneaking into the delegate ranks as Romneyotes, sure it probably happened in some precints, but not many. Also, consider that some delegates will not show up for county elections, which means their votes are no good. But these are the rare exceptions.

Mitt got more than 50% of the vote, that means he will have the most prec delegates by far, even in the most whacked out PD break down he will have the most county delegates, ergo he will have the hands down most national delegates...

Mitt will take the most national delegates from NV, by far. Now I am finished arguing about this.. .it is silly.. Do your own research. We may not know the exact amount, but a good guess is MR 18+ and RP 4+. Got it?

There is nothing wrong with a little hope, sure we could pick up an extra delegate or 2, and that is great. What I don't like is all the confusion these posts cause! There is no way to know the end results, but we should plan our stragety under a normal assumption.

Dude,

We were there!!!!

Romney was completely disorganized. Our people knew what was going on. We grabbed delegate after delegate after delegate.

The estimate floating around at the after caucus party was 30-40% of all the delegates in the state. It could easily be more.

Go look at the precinct result threads if you doubt this.

 

[stewie3128]

This is what I've been saying here all afternoon... Ron Paul is winning the delegates, not Mitt Romney.

Yes, delegates are what get us to the nomination, but we could end up in another situation like WV where we had a bloodbath during the delegate process. Having lots of delegates going in to county and state conventions doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[buffalokid777]

Lets donate 21st

I'll toast to that!

This is it folks, we need monday to be big.....I've been saving up and have 5 new hundred dollar donars lined up, they were gonna give this last week or two, but I held them off til monday when I will host a MLK free at last money bomb party where not only will I make my biggest donation I can afford, those 5 new $100 donors will make their's as well as several 5-50 donors who will donate for the first time...

Hopefully others are lining up donors for the 21st like I am!....LET'S BREAK THE RECORD!!!!! Have a party with the people you convinced to donate monday! For Freedom and the constitution and to take back our country!

 

[alarga]

But... this is GREAT NEWS!!!

Thanks a bunch for explaining in detail how the caucus process works. It raises some natural questions:


1) WHEN do we know for sure how many RP delegates are chosen.

2) What other states have a similar system where delegates are not directly tied to votes.

3) Do we have a similar aware following with an organized plan aimed for becoming delegates?

4) Do we have more delegates from the states who are already finished? (I read CNN projects 2 RP delegates from Iowa, but now I dont trust that anymore).

5) Shouldn't we keep this semi-secret so that other campaigns doesnt wake up to this fact and can take steps to fix the hole?

 

[alarga]

I'll toast to that!

This is it folks, we need monday to be big.....I've been saving up and have 5 new hundred dollar donars lined up, they were gonna give this last week or two, but I held them off til monday when I will host a MLK free at last money bomb party where not only will I make my biggest donation I can afford, those 5 new $100 donors will make their's as well as several 5-50 donors who will donate for the first time...

Hopefully others are lining up donors for the 21st like I am!....LET'S BREAK THE RECORD!!!!! Have a party with the people you convinced to donate monday! For Freedom and the constitution and to take back our country!

The NV success will probably boost the final outcome. Oh, sweet days!

 

[george in pahrump]

Pahrump is in Nye county.

Now another way to explain why delagates count and the straw poll may not be a good way to predict the outcome:

Our precinct is allowed 5 delegates. We have about 200 + R's in our precinct.

23 showed up to attend. All the delegates elected were for Ron Paul.

Now suppose only 5 showed up. We all vote for each other for delegates and we still get 5, but there are 18 less votes in the straw poll for Ron Paul, but we got the delegates that count.

Make sense ?

 

[george in pahrump]

On the other Paw, in the next room 200 Romney supporters vote in the straw poll and then they elect their 5 Delegates.

They will have as much clout at the County Convention as Ron Pauls 5.