Delaware becomes 1st state to officially outlaw spanking

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Ron Paul chose to battle in congress for years too.......He's a far more patient man than I.

Me, I'll let you do as you choose with your kids and I'll raise mine as I see fit.

Do not interfere if I need to spank my child because I don't subscribe to this "non-aggressive" mind-set.

Sounds an awful lot like a plantation owner in 1820s Georgia. I care about the liberties of all persons. I don't discriminate and selectively apply my principles and beliefs.

 

[libertyfanatic]

Children are people too

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Children are people too

Not-ugh. They are property. PROPERTY of the parent. How dare you say they aren't! Who do you think you are...John Brown?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

No one should be put in prison - our 'justice' system is no justice at all. It punishes you twice - once for the infliction or injury violating your liberty by the initial aggressor and secondly for paying for his incarceration. You get drilled twice. I don't know what Ron Paul is doing, do you? Also, I'm quite aware that battery and murder are far apart and I don't believe I ever made any other statement contrary.

How would you enforce this? Like any other - someone reports it and then the monopoly police investigate the claim. Unless you seem to think a child is not a person and has no liberties. I bet you're just fine viewing children as property of the parent. Unlike you, I don't selectively apply my morality.

You have to be about the most rigid-to-the-point-of-sounding-crazy member here. You have this narrow philosophy and stick to it, even when it forces you to say things such as "no one should be put in prison" and (in the past) serious posts about how you think little kids should be able to smoke/drink/drive/consent to sex/carry and purchase guns/etc., because they're people too, and rights don't come by age.

These posts read like they're written by some bratty ten-year-old denied ice cream and the ability to stay up till midnight each night, and that grudge still exists today. "I'll show you mom. When I grow up, I'll fight to let every kid do what they want! You'll see."

 

[tod evans]

Sounds an awful lot like a plantation owner in 1820s Georgia.

First hand knowledge?

I care about the liberties of all persons. I don't discriminate and selectively apply my principles and beliefs.

I'll leave you and yours alone and you will leave me and mine alone.

 

[Shane Harris]

No one should be put in prison - our 'justice' system is no justice at all. It punishes you twice - once for the infliction or injury violating your liberty by the initial aggressor and secondly for paying for his incarceration. You get drilled twice. I don't know what Ron Paul is doing, do you? Also, I'm quite aware that battery and murder are far apart and I don't believe I ever made any other statement contrary.

How would you enforce this? Like any other - someone reports it and then the monopoly police investigate the claim. Unless you seem to think a child is not a person and has no liberties. I bet you're just fine viewing children as property of the parent. Unlike you, I don't selectively apply my morality.

I don't plan on spanking my children, but I don't support any laws prohibiting parenting. Parenting and child abuse are separate issues. Children are a sticky issue because as bad as some parents are I think that state intervention is on a whole worse. Children are not property but they are dependent tenants living on your property and must live by the rules you make for them as long as they live under your roof. There's a reason we treat minors differently from adults. They are incapable of being a self-sufficient adult and for that same reason laws pertaining to children are inherently unique, just as they should be regarding the mentally ill. Use common sense.

 

[youngbuck]

Maybe this will wake some people up and they'll realize that their kids actually belong to the state - and so do the parents themselves. Stupid parents, physical punishment is the job of the state, not you!

 

[Shane Harris]

You have to be about the most rigid-to-the-point-of-sounding-crazy member here. You have this narrow philosophy and stick to it, even when it forces you to say things such as "no one should be put in prison" and (in the past) serious posts about how you think little kids should be able to smoke/drink/drive/consent to sex/carry and purchase guns/etc., because they're people too, and rights don't come by age.

These posts read like they're written by some bratty ten-year-old denied ice cream and the ability to stay up till midnight each night, and that grudge still exists today. "I'll show you mom. When I grow up, I'll fight to let every kid do what they want! You'll see."

well said

 

[libertyfanatic]

You have to be about the most rigid-to-the-point-of-sounding-crazy member here. You have this narrow philosophy and stick to it, even when it forces you to say things such as "no one should be put in prison" and (in the past) serious posts about how you think little kids should be able to smoke/drink/drive/consent to sex/carry and purchase guns/etc., because they're people too and rights don't come by age.

These posts read like they're written by some bratty ten-year-old denied ice cream and the ability to stay up till midnight each night, and that grudge still exists today. "I'll show you mom. When I grow up, I'll fight to let every kid do what they want! You'll see."

You're not making the distinction between positive and negative rights.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You have to be about the most rigid-to-the-point-of-sounding-crazy member here. You have this narrow philosophy and stick to it, even when it forces you to say things such as "no one should be put in prison" and (in the past) serious posts about how you think little kids should be able to smoke/drink/drive/consent to sex/carry and purchase guns/etc., because they're people too, and rights don't come by age.

These posts read like they're written by some bratty ten-year-old denied ice cream and the ability to stay up till midnight each night, and that grudge still exists today. "I'll show you mom. When I grow up, I'll fight to let every kid do what they want! You'll see."

I'll take this diatribe as a compliment. Yes, I'm principled. Why aren't you?

 

[Shane Harris]

I'll take this diatribe as a compliment. Yes, I'm principled. Why aren't you?

Are you pro-life?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Are you pro-life?

I am against abortion. I'm not opposed to eviction (JMDrake had a better word for this..., but I forget it). In other words if you mean am I against murdering the unborn - yes. They are just as much persons as any other.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Shane Harris]

I am against abortion. I'm not opposed to eviction (JMDrake had a better word for this..., but I forget it). In other words if you mean am I against murdering the unborn - yes. They are just as much persons as any other.

Well at least we agree on that. You really don't see any potential blowback or unintended consequences coming from this law?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Well at least we agree on that. You really don't see any potential blowback or unintended consequences coming from this law?

I don't care about consequences. I am not a utilitarian. I've yet to meet a violation of liberty that I am for. Also, if you notice, I'm not for this law per se, as is, since, you didn't need a new 'law' for this in the first place. It is redundant. It can easily fall under common law battery as I stated. No statutory law needed.

 

[Shane Harris]

I don't care about consequences. I am not a utilitarian. I've yet to meet a violation of liberty that I am for. Also, if you notice, I'm not for this law per se, as is, since, you didn't need a new 'law' for this in the first place. It is redundant. It can easily fall under common law battery as I stated. No law needed.

Okay so where would you draw the line where battery is no longer battery? Is a woman slapping a man in the face at a bar battery?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Okay so where would you draw the line where battery is no longer battery? Is a woman slapping a man in the face at a bar battery?

Yes, if the man did not consent to being slapped. The line is called property rights. Not all offenses are going to be pursued - it is up to the victim to decide. (This is an antiquated notion in our so-called justice system)

 

[Shane Harris]

Yes, if the man did not consent to being slapped. The line is called property rights. Not all offenses are going to be pursued - it is up to the victim to decide. (This is an antiquated notion in our so-called justice system)

Okay no argument there.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Okay no argument there.

I keep it simple.

"No man hath power over my rights and liberties, and I over no mans [sic]."

KISS

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I'll take this diatribe as a compliment. Yes, I'm principled. Why aren't you?

Nobody cares about anyones' "principles" if they're too fringy and goofy to be taken seriously.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

IR cameras linked in to the local Fusion Center, are to be mounted in every home with minor children, to monitor for compliance.

It's coming.

And nobody fucking cares.

Sad but true.