Decline in circumcision rate could cost billions

The model predicted that health-care spending will increase by $313 for each circumcision not performed. Cases of HIV, the AIDS-causing virus, would account for almost 80 percent of the increased costs, the authors said.


Over a male's lifespan, HIV infections would increase by about 12 percent; HPV by roughly 29 percent; herpes by nearly 20 percent and infant urinary tract infections would more than double, the researchers determined.


In females, high-risk HPV would increase by more than 18 percent, and bacterial vaginosis and trichomoniasis would increase by 51 percent.
The estimates are "extremely conservative," said Tobian, because the study only included direct medical costs, not indirect costs such as patient transportation and patient and caregiver productivity loss.

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And multiple studies (and plain common sense) disprove it. Face it-if you're sticking it in the wrong places, you're more than likely going to catch something no matter what.

Please show me a study that disproves it. And one that's published in a peer reviewed journal.
 
Female circumcision has never been shown to reduce the spread of STDs, but 100% support the rights of the parents to uphold their cultural and/or religious beliefs. I hate the concept of this "New World Order" crap the anti circ zealots are spreading, partnering with the elite in deciding that the whole world needs to come to one conclusion about such matters. The collectivism is frightening when it comes from within.

Everybody is an expert, except the parents.
Don't know where you're getting this, but it's not from the source. More info than you'll likely need can be found at the Doctors Opposing Circumcision site:
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
 

Sure, but am I the only one here who was young and stupid? Imagine telling a horny 17 year old kid, ready to wet his wick, that it's not worth the risk since he accidentally tore the condom. Of course, perhaps there are some parents who think that kids deserve to get AIDs because they didn't use the best judgement, but I'm not one of them.

I can't look over their shoulders constantly (nor would I want to - ick!) so as a parent it's my opinion that I should do everything I can to minimize the long term risk.
 
Don't know where you're getting this, but it's not from the source. More info than you'll likely need can be found at the Doctors Opposing Circumcision site:
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

They have an agenda. I don't see them disproving any of the studies they cite - only cherry picking data to draw different conclusions.

They spend more time talking about nonsense like human rights than actual medicine.
 
http://www.icgi.org/information/aids/
Results from three random control trials (RCTs) done in Africa, which show a reduction in female-to-male transmission of HIV after circumcision, cannot be extrapolated to the real-world settling. Much evidence published recently calls into question the results of these trials, and raises serious doubts about the value of male circumcision in HIV prevention. No field test has been performed to test the theory and analyze the effectiveness, cost, and complications. To roll out a new program based on scant evidence, implying to the African public that circumcision will reduce a male’s chances of contracting HIV by 50–60 percent, is not only inconclusive [Mills], but misleading [Garenne]. Coercing adults, and forcing infants to be circumcised is unethical. Increased condom promotion and safe sex campaigns will accomplish much higher infection-frequency reduction.
Other Medical Organizations Concur
The Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations (AFAO) agrees. The AFAO issued a briefing paper: “Male Circumcision Has No Role in the Australian HIV Epidemic” (July, 2007). The key points were: no demonstrated benefit of circumcision in men who have sex with men; consistent condom use, not circumcision, is the most effective means of reducing female-to male transmission, and vice-versa; and African data on circumcision is context-specific and cannot be extrapolated to the Australian epidemic in any way. The paper compared Australia to America by concluding: “The USA has a growing heterosexual epidemic and very high rates of circumcision. Circumcision does not prevent HIV—in high prevalence areas it reduced the risk of female-to-male transmission. HIV acquisition rates were nevertheless high in both the circumcised and the non-circumcised groups involved in the trials.
The French Consiel National du SIDA issued a report to clarify the issues following the mass media reporting, and misreporting, of the three African RCTs. “The studies are generating debate among the scientific community and are also raising a number of questions with regard to its implementation and role in terms of public health strategy. Implementation of male circumcision as part of a raft of preventative measures could destabilise health care delivery and at the same time confuse existing prevention messages. The addition of a new ‘tool’ could actually cause a result opposite to that which was originally intended” [Rozenbaum].
The Royal Australasian College of Physicians’ policy statement on circumcision could not recommend circumcision to help stop the epidemic: “How much circumcision could contribute to ameliorate the current epidemic of HIV is uncertain” [Beasley].
Questions concerning study results
A number of confounding factors present in the study make it very difficult to generalize the results to the larger world population. All three studies were terminated after only 21-24 months, over 700 participants were lost to follow up, there HIV status unknown (4.5 times more participants were lost to follow up than were reported to have been protected from HIV by circumcision), study participants were provided free condoms and extensive education and counseling, a number of reported HIV infections were contracted from non-sexual means, and the participants were paid to be circumcised. These atypical conditions will not be present in any mass circumcision campaign.
Circumcision Difficult to Justify
A 2008 analysis of circumcision status and HIV rates concluded that circumcision is NOT associated with reduced HIV infection rates, contrary to claims of circumcision advocates [Garenne].
A meta-analysis of circumcision-related science and the HIV epidemic [Van Howe] showed that the outcome of mass circumcision would not be effective in stopping the spread of the disease, and went on to question researcher’s and promoter’s agendas. The Cochrane Collaboration Report of 2003, only objective systematic review of the use of male circumcision as an HIV prevention conducted to date, cautioned about potential researcher bias stating, “Circumcision practices are largely culturally determined, so there are strong beliefs and opinions surrounding them. It is important to acknowledge that researchers’ personal biases and dominant circumcision practices of their respective countries may influence interpretation of findings.”[Siegfried].
Circumcision Could Increase Risk of HIV
The long-term consequences of promoting circumcision might make the problem worse—by implying that circumcision protects males; it might give them and their partners a false sense of security and undermine safe sex practices and condom usage [Kalichman; Myers; Muula]. Even if the 50-60 percent protective effect the RCTs claim is true, and if all African males were circumcised over the next fifteen years, it would only reduce the number of infection cases there by 8 percent, and related deaths by 1 percent [Williams].
Men having sex with men are not protected from HIV, even if they are circumcised [Templeton]. The role of commercial sex workers and sexual networks has not be adequately addressed in plans to stop the epidemic [Talbott].
A Social Vaccine
Education, safe sex practices, and consistent condom use are proven, effective measures of curbing HIV transmission. Uganda demonstrated a 47 percent reduction in HIV prevalence from increased safe sex education and condom promotion—this “social vaccine” is available now, is highly effective, and does not involve the numerous risks and downsides of surgery [Low-Beer]. Consistent condom use reduces lifetime risk by 20 percent [Hallett], as compared to circumcision’s 8 percent [Williams].
Unethical Medical Practice
Extreme care needs to be taken to ensure that parents aren’t misled into thinking that the results of studies performed on adult African males should be extrapolated to health policy for newborns. It is unprecedented and perhaps unethical for a prophylactic surgery to be offered as a “health benefit” to parents of newborns to reduce risks of an adult acquired disease for which there are safer, less invasive, less expensive, and proven prevention methods available [Somerville; Fox].
Newborns are not sexually active and, therefore, not at risk for sexually contracted diseases. Furthermore, by the time today’s newborns are sexually active, a vaccine or other methods of treating the disease will probably will be available. Today’s newborns might prefer to retain their foreskin and opt, as adults, for vaccination and practicing safe sex practices, including using condoms.
New Data
Circumcision complication rate of 20.2% was found in Nigeria [Okeke]. HIV infections are greater following the circumcision of virgins, both male and female, indicating unsterile conditions [Brewer; Stallings]. Two US studies, released in 2007, found that circumcision made no difference in HIV transmission rates among US males. [Mor; Millett]. Previous mathematical modeling of heterosexual transmission of the virus is based on inflated transmission rates and implausible assumptions [Deuchert].
Recent evidence demonstrates that Langerhans cells in the foreskin have a protective effect against pathogens—including HIV—by secreting Langerin [de Witte]. The previous theory was that Langerhans cells are an entrance point for viruses. It now seems that the theory is partially true, but that the true mechanism at work is that Langerhans cells set a trap for viruses in order to destroy them with Langerin.
Circumcision constitutes the removal of healthy, functional, and biologically unique tissue and is unwarranted for the prevention of HIV [Cold].
Summary
The risks and harms of circumcision include:
a. Increased risks of MRSA and other infections in newborns [Annunziato; Donovan; Sauer].
b. Death and severe complications resulting in life-long disability.
c. Sexual side-effects and sensitivity-loss from circumcision [Kim; Sorrells].
d. Psychological consequences including infant analog of PTSD [Taddio], dissociation [Rhinehart], and addictive behaviors [Laumann].
References

  1. Annunziato D., Goldblum L. M. (1978). Staphylococcal scalded skin syndrome. A complication of circumcision. Am J Dis Child. 132(12):1187-1188.
    Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations. (2007). Male circumcision has no role in the Australian HIV epidemic. Newtown, Australia: Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations.
    Beasley S., Darlow B., Craig J., et al. (2004). Policy Statement on Circumcision. Royal Australasian College of Physicians, Paediatrics & Child Health Division. Sept.
    Brewer D. D., Potterat J. J., Roberts Jr. J. M, et al. (2007). Male and female circumcision associated with prevalent HIV infection in virgins and adolescents in Kenya, Lesotho, and Tanzania. Ann Epidemiol. 17:217-226.
    Cold C.J,, Taylor J. R. (1999). The prepuce. BJU Int. 83Suppl.1:34-44.
    De Witte L., Nabatov A., Pion M., et al. (2007). Langerin is a natural barrier to HIV-1 transmission by Langerhans cells. Nat Med. 13(3):367-371.
    Deuchert E., Brody S. (2007). Plausible and implausible parameters for mathematical modeling of nominal heterosexual HIV transmission. Ann Epidemiol. 17:234-244.
    Fox M. (2005). Thomson M. Short changed: the law and ethics of male circumcision. Int J Children’s Rights. 13:161-181.
    Garenne M. (2006). Male circumcision and HIV control in Africa. PloS Med. 3(1):e78.
    Michel G. (2008). Long-term population effect of male circumcision in generalised HIV epidemics in sub-Saharan Africa. African Journal of AIDS Research. 7(1): 1–8.
    Hallett TB, Gregson S, Lewis JJ, Lopman BA, Garnett GP. Behaviour change in generalised HIV epidemics: impact of reducing cross-generational sex and delaying age at sexual debut. Sex Transm Infect 83 2007;(suppl 1): i50-i54.
    Jacobson B., Bygdeman, M. (1998). Obstetric care and proneness of offspring to suicide as adults: Case-control study. BMJ 317:1346-1349
    Kalichman S., Eaton L., Pinkerton S. (2007). Circumcision for HIV prevention: failure to account for behavioral risk compensation PloS Med. 4(3):e137-138.
    Kim S., Pang M. (2006). The effect of male circumcision on sexuality. BJU Int. 99(3):619-622.
    Kirkpatrick B. V., Eitzman D. V. (1971). Neonatal septicemia after circumcision. Clin Pediatr. 13(9):767-768.
    Laumann E. O,, Masi C, M,, Zuckerman E, W. (1997). Circumcision in the United States. JAMA. 277:1052-1057.
    Low-Beer D, Stoneburner RL. (2004) Behaviour and communication change in reducing HIV: Is Uganda unique? Johannesburg: Centre For Aids Development, Research And Evaluation. 14 p.
    Millett G, Ding H, Lauby J, Flores S, Stueve A, Bingham T, et al. Circumcision Status and HIV Infection Among Black and Latino Men Who Have Sex With Men in 3 US Cities. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2007;46(5):643-650. (CDC)
    Mills E., Siegfried N. (2006). Cautious optimism for new HIV/AIDS prevention strategies. Lancet. 368:1236.
    Mor Z, Kent CK, Kohn R[, Klausner JD. Declining rates in male circumcision amidst increasing evidence of its public health benefit. PloS ONE. 2007;2(9):e861.
    Muula A. S, Prozesky H. W., Mataya R. H., Ikechebelu J. I. (2007). Prevalence of complications of male circumcision in Anglophone Africa: a systematic review. BMC Urology. 7(4).
    Myers A., Myers J. (2007). Male circumcision-the new hope? S Afr Med J. 97(5):338-341.
    Okeke LI, Asinobi AA, Ikuerowo OS. Epidemiology of complications of male circumcision in Ibadan, Nigeria. BMC Urology. 2006;6:21.
    Rhinehart J. (1999). Neonatal circumcision reconsidered. Transactional Analysis J. 29(3):215-221
    Rozenbaum W., Bourdillon F., Dozon J-P., et al. (2007). Report on male circumcision: An arguable method of reducing the risks of HIV transmission. Conseil National du SIDA. 1-10.
    Siegfried N, Muller M, Volmink J, Deeks J, Egger M, Low N, Weiss H, Walker S, Williamson P. Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men (Cochrane Review). In: The Cochrane Library, Issue 3, 2003. Oxford.
    Somerville M. (2000). Altering baby boys’ bodies: The ethics of infant male circumcision. In: The Ethical Canary: Science, Society, and the Human Spirit. New York: Viking.
    Sorrells M. L., Snyder M. L., Reiss M. D, et al. (2007). Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis. BJU Int. 99:864-869.
    Stallings RY, Karugendo E. Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania: for better or for worse? Third International AIDS Society Conference on HIV Pathogenesis and Treatment. Rio de Janeiro, 25-27 July 2005.
    Talbott J. R. (2007). Size Matters: The number of prostitutes and the global HIV/AIDS pandemic. PloS One. 2(6): e543.
    Templeton D. J., Jin F., Prestage G. P., et al. (2007) Circumcision status and risk of HIV seroconversion in the HIM cohort of homosexual men in Sydney. In 4th Conference on the HIV Pathogenesis, Treatment and Prevention. 23-25 July 2007. Sydney, Australia: International AIDS Society.
    Van Howe R. S., Svoboda J. S., Hodges F. M. (2005). HIV infection and circumcision: cutting through the hyperbole. J R Soc Health 125(6):259-265.
    Williams B. G., Lloyd-Smith J. O., Gouws E, et al. (2006) The potential impact of male circumcision on HIV in Sub-Saharan Africa. PLoS Med 3:e262.

    Here's an annotated bibliography for you:

    http://www.icgi.org/Downloads/circumcision-HIV-bibliography.pdf
 
From your link:

Male circumcision may actually have increased the HIV risk to some of the women in the intervention group. After six months, women whose partners ignored advice to abstain from sex for at least six weeks after the circumcision procedure had an HIV acquisition rate of 27.8 percent, compared to 9.5 percent among women whose male partners delayed sex until healing was complete, and 7.9 percent among women with uncircumcised partners.

The trial was stopped early because of "futility", meaning that the accumulation of further data was unlikely to produce substantially different results.
 
http://www.icgi.org/information/aids/
Results from three random control trials (RCTs) done in Africa, which show a reduction in female-to-male transmission of HIV after circumcision, cannot be extrapolated to the real-world settling. Much evidence published recently calls into question the results of these trials, and raises serious doubts about the value of male circumcision in HIV prevention. No field test has been performed to test the theory and analyze the effectiveness, cost, and complications. To roll out a new program based on scant evidence, implying to the African public that circumcision will reduce a male’s chances of contracting HIV by 50–60 percent, is not only inconclusive [Mills], but misleading [Garenne]. Coercing adults, and forcing infants to be circumcised is unethical. Increased condom promotion and safe sex campaigns will accomplish much higher infection-frequency reduction.

I don't believe that sound medical positions take such black and white stances on cultural issues. As a result, I noticed that this sounds like an argument for abstinence as birth control. Let's make a couple of changes:

http://www.icgi.org/information/aids/
Results from three random control trials (RCTs) done in Africa, which show a reduction in pregnancy after protected sex, cannot be extrapolated to the real-world settling. Much evidence published recently calls into question the results of these trials, and raises serious doubts about the value of condom campaigns in pregnancy prevention. No field test has been performed to test the theory and analyze the effectiveness, cost, and complications. To roll out a new program based on scant evidence, implying to the African public that condoms will reduce a male’s chances of contracting HIV by 50–60 percent, is not only inconclusive [Mills], but misleading [Garenne]. Coercing adults, and encouraging teens to wear condoms while having sex is immoral. Increased abstinence campaigns will accomplish much higher pregnancy-frequency reduction.

The real truth is that the combination of circumcision and condoms will provide the highest rate of protection.
 
Please show me a study that disproves it. And one that's published in a peer reviewed journal.

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If parents want to cut Junior's little willy, they can cut it. If not, not. These are forums devoted to those of a Libertarian mindset, correct? Good Lord - an extra little flap of skin is not going to cause or prevent transmission of STDs. It isn't going to cause infections (if Junior is taught to clean it properly, like his armpits and bumhole). For the sake of all fucking fuck, us guys came pre-fabricated from the factory this way. There's certainly a tl;dr evolutionary explanation available somewhere out here on the interwebs if you're into that kind of thing, angelatc.

Good post anyway, AntiFed. I'm going to have some Cheerios now.
 
From your link:

Indeed! I have not said anything about male circumcision protecting females from HIV, because that's not true. It is uncircumcised men who are at risk, probably for the same reason - the foreskin hides all kinds of crap inside it.

Circumcising HIV-positive men may not directly reduce HIV risk to their female partners, but large-scale male circumcision programmes would benefit women in the long term by bringing down overall HIV prevalence in communities.
 
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If parents want to cut Junior's little willy, they can cut it. If not, not. These are forums devoted to those of a Libertarian mindset, correct? Good Lord - an extra little flap of skin is not going to cause or prevent transmission of STDs. It isn't going to cause infections (if Junior is taught to clean it properly, like his armpits and bumhole). For the sake of all fucking fuck, us guys came pre-fabricated from the factory this way. There's certainly a tl;dr evolutionary explanation available somewhere out here on the interwebs if you're into that kind of thing, angelatc.

Good post anyway, AntiFed. I'm going to have some Cheerios now.

Thanks for adding nothing at all to the conversation. But you're wrong. Multiple clinical studies have clearly shown that the little flap of skin can indeed impact the rate of transmission of STDs.

Sure you guys came that way. And there is a reason that ancient cultures began circumcising their infants. They did not know the science behind it, but the risk of infections increased dramatically, and before antibiotics, caused death. The rationale came later, but the practice didn't just show up because somebody decided it was a cool way to make a living.

You're right - I really don't care what other people do to their kids, but putting this emotion-driven drivel crap out to a young audience unchallenged is dangerous. They would happily support laws against circumcision, freedom lovers that they are.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15097799

Neonatal circumcision: a review of the world's oldest and most controversial operation



Although previous claims of benefits like curing masturbation, gout, epilepsy, and even insanity were no doubt absurd, important research has shed light on real medical benefits of circumcision. In particular, the procedure has consistently shown to result in the decreased risk of debilitating and costly diseases such as HIV, cervical cancer, and infantile urinary tract infection.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1867269/

Susceptibility to Human Immunodeficiency Virus-1 Infection of Human Foreskin and Cervical Tissue Grown in Explant Culture

Numerous studies have indicated a protective effect of male circumcision against acquisition of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)-1. We investigated mechanisms responsible for the possible increased HIV-1 susceptibility of human foreskin. Foreskins from eight pediatric and six adult patients with (n = 3) and without (n = 11) histories of sexually transmitted disease were evaluated. Six cervical biopsies from HIV-1-seronegative women were included as controls. CD4+ T cells, macrophages, and Langerhans’ cells (LCs) were quantified using image analysis. Cells expressing HIV-1 co-receptors CCR5 and CXCR4 were quantified using immunofluorescence and image analysis. Foreskin biopsies were infected ex vivo in organotypic culture with HIV-1. HIV-1 DNA copies in foreskin and cervical mucosal tissue were compared and the infected cell phenotype was determined. Foreskin mucosa contained higher mean proportions of CD4+ T cells (22.4%), macrophages (2.4%), and LCs (11.5%) in adults than in children (4.9%, 0.3%, and 6.2%, respectively) or in cervical mucosa (6.2%, 1.4%, and 1.5%, respectively). The highest proportions of CD4+ T cells and LCs occurred in patients with a history of infection. Foreskin immune cells expressed predominantly the CCR5 HIV-1 co-receptor. Adult foreskin mucosa had greater susceptibility to infection with HIVbal than cervical mucosa or the external surface of foreskin tissue. Circumcision likely reduces risk of HIV-1 acquisition in men by decreasing HIV-1 target cells.
 
How does male circumcision protect against HIV infection?

In his otherwise excellent review of the AIDS epidemic in the 21st century, Fauci presented no new strategies for preventing the spread of the disease.1 He made no mention of male circumcision, yet there is now compelling epidemiological evidence from over 40 studies which shows that male circumcision provides significant protection against HIV infection; circumcised males are two to eight times less likely to become infected with HIV.2 Furthermore, circumcision also protects against other sexually transmitted infections, such as syphilis and gonorrhoea,3,4 and since people who have a sexually transmitted infection are two to five times more likely to become infected with HIV,5 circumcision may be even more protective. The most dramatic evidence of the protective effect of circumcision comes from a new study of couples in Uganda who had discordant HIV status; in this study the woman was HIV positive and her male partner was not.6 No new infections occurred among any of the 50 circumcised men over 30 months, whereas 40 of 137 uncircumcised men became infected during this time. Both groups had been given free access to HIV testing, intensive instruction about preventing infection, and free condoms (which were continuously available), but 89% of the men never used condoms, and condom use did not seem to influence the rate of transmission of HIV. These findings should focus the spotlight of scientific attention onto the foreskin. Why does its removal reduce a man's susceptibility to HIV infection?
 
angela, I don't know why you bother posting all those studies, considering that the same argument can be used to cut the entire penis.
 
...I hate the concept of this "New World Order" crap the anti circ zealots are spreading, partnering with the elite in deciding that the whole world needs to come to one conclusion about such matters. The collectivism is frightening when it comes from within.

Government healthcare and mandatory circumcision is the direction this is going. Is that what you want?
 
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