brandon
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So for the last day or two I've been debating economics with liberals on facebook. This one dude just wrote like a 15 paragraph response to me and I don't really feel like taking the time to reply.
Anyone else want to write up a reply for me? only knowledgeable coherent replies wanted. If you're not sure what I mean by this, read some of mini-me's posts for an example.
Thread: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/topic.php?uid=111256528714&topic=9160
His post
Anyone else want to write up a reply for me? only knowledgeable coherent replies wanted. If you're not sure what I mean by this, read some of mini-me's posts for an example.
Thread: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/topic.php?uid=111256528714&topic=9160
His post
brandon,
do you even realize that "free market capitalism" is not just a myth but a contradiction?
there is so much wrong and flawed with your failed ideology that it doesnt matter. anytime someone points out a flaw of capitalism or markets you can easily say "they werent truly free" but you fail to recognize that that is because capitalism and markets can never be free, and historically the less regulated the economies and allocation processes the more oppressive, antisocial, inefficient and undemocratic they have been.
there will always be some kind of political regulations or laws that outline the playing field. property rights, zoning laws and so on are all regulations that violate free market capitalism.
throughout this site you have regurgitated the usual milton friedman BS about innovation and competition and blah blah blah but do us a favor and name one developed country that developed through lax regulation and state intervention. cuz you know you cant name one actual free market system.
but the issue that it has never existed is not the real issue. even in theory its full of contradictions and nonsense.
market competition could probably be productive if all actors - buyers and sellers - started out on equal footing in all transactions but thats an impossibility. anytime there are inequities those in position of power use that for bargaining power to aggravate inequalities.
japan, south korea, england, US, france, germany, india, china, western and northern europe all developed through state intervention and in clear violation of free market principles.
i would really like to hear how sony or toyota or honda would ever have been if it were not for state intervention to build up the industries and to take losses year after year until the industried were built up enough to make a buck.
or explain how free enterprise could have invented GPS, satelites, cell phones, the internet, etc. All of these were invented throgh the Pentagon via tax dollars. No company would invest so much and take so much losses on such risky ventures.
the reality is that private enterprise allocated through market systems is inefficient, antisocial, inhuman and undemocratic.
since the 1950s - the socalled Golden Age of Capitalism - we have seen productivey increase over 360% (thanks to technology financed through the state sector!!!) yet we continue to work 40 hour work weeks and produce and consume more than is needed.
more resources are allocated to Beverly Hills each year for cosmecti plastic surgergy than for welfare programs in the poorest communities.
Markets are grossly inefficient since they allocate the wrong resources to the wrong places.
Pitting buyers versus sellers togethers where one gets by to fleece the others is grotesque. If you work in a firm you may put in 70 hours a week and pull in the money because your excessive effort secures your access to market shares. If you opt to work 20 hours a week and make enough to live comfortably you will see yourself cast away since someone else will likely be willing to take your market share. If a company wanted to be conscious of their ecological footprint they would sink since another company would be glad to ignore the environment in order to gain access to market shares.
And market transactions produce externalities that are the norm, not the exception. Most, if not all, market transactions widely affect third parties though they have no say in decisions that directly impact them.
Market Capitalism is a predatory monster. Neoliberalism has only survived this long thanks to keynesian economics - ie state intervention to secure the Dictatorship of Capital.
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