Debate

[pacelli]

I was thinking www.zod2008.com

 

[powerofreason]

Probably this guy: http://www.votebrianmoore.com/

blech

 

[devil21]

i am staying on subject because i am commenting on the topic of congressional gold medals and Ron Paul's insistance that it is tax payer funded which is not true.

Ill bite. Then who pays for them? Please enlighten us.

 

[karl marx]

It doesn't matter if they print the money and dilute the value of the dollar or take it from taxpayers; either way, the taxpayers pay. If Congress wants to give out medals, they should pay for it with their handsome salaries. As Paul says, "It's easy to be generous with other people's money."

The Medal is funded through the sales of replicas, and consumers cover the costs of the labor involved when they buy the bronze replica's. There is not tax payer money involved.

 

[MikeSmith]

The Medal is funded through the sales of replicas, and consumers cover the costs of the labor involved when they buy the bronze replica's. There is not tax payer money involved.

It said the secretary may do that. It gives permission. The government is not a small business. The taxpayer's shouldn't have to take the risk that the medals might not sell.

 

[Kludge]

The Medal is funded through the sales of replicas, and consumers cover the costs of the labor involved when they buy the bronze replica's. There is not tax payer money involved.

So then there are no "private donations" which you have cited. The gov't is truly running a ridiculous novelty coin shop which has no benefit to society.

So tell us, Karl, what novelty medal did Dr. Paul approve?

 

[karl marx]

Ill bite. Then who pays for them? Please enlighten us.

Ill bite. Then who pays for them? Please enlighten us.

consumers.

often times you may see ads from the US mint on TV talking about coins or maybe a congressional medal.


in fact due to the improvement in technologies they have also expanded there services to the internet.

http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wc...10001&storeId=10001&productId=11074&langId=-1

the replica costs 38$

 

[karl marx]

So then there are no "private donations" which you have cited. The gov't is truly running a ridiculous novelty coin shop which has no benefit to society.

So tell us, Karl, what novelty medal did Dr. Paul approve?

http://hortnon.blogspot.com/2008/01/proof-of-pauls-hypocrisy.html

Well that's what I set out to determine. Was he so set in his beliefs, that he voted against every medal Congress proposed?

The common example used is that Paul voted for Frank Sinatra's medal. However, I could find no proof of this. The medal passed with a 2/3 majority, and the individual votes weren't recorded. So he could've voted either way, there's no way to know.

I decided to randomly pick a medal given after the Rosa Parks medal and see how Paul voted on it. I ended up with the medal given to the Tuskegee Airman, passed Feb 28, 2006. Results? Ayes: 400. Nays: 0.

Well, there were 32 no-votes, so maybe Paul was just absent for the vote, but he would've voted against it, right?!

Wrong: Aye TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]

So, at the very least, this suggests Ron Paul didn't vote against the Rosa Parks medal for purely racist reasons. But, what it does prove is that Paul did have a reason to vote against the Parks medal, and it doesn't look like consistency in fiscal responsibility was the reason.

 

[Kludge]

Well that's it, I'm no longer voting for a candidate not relevant to Ron Paul, but voting for Obama. In fact, I may become an authoritarian liberal, obviously libertarians are hypocrites!

 

[pacelli]

http://hortnon.blogspot.com/2008/01/proof-of-pauls-hypocrisy.html

Well that's what I set out to determine. Was he so set in his beliefs, that he voted against every medal Congress proposed?

The common example used is that Paul voted for Frank Sinatra's medal. However, I could find no proof of this. The medal passed with a 2/3 majority, and the individual votes weren't recorded. So he could've voted either way, there's no way to know.

I decided to randomly pick a medal given after the Rosa Parks medal and see how Paul voted on it. I ended up with the medal given to the Tuskegee Airman, passed Feb 28, 2006. Results? Ayes: 400. Nays: 0.

Well, there were 32 no-votes, so maybe Paul was just absent for the vote, but he would've voted against it, right?!

Wrong: Aye TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]

So, at the very least, this suggests Ron Paul didn't vote against the Rosa Parks medal for purely racist reasons. But, what it does prove is that Paul did have a reason to vote against the Parks medal, and it doesn't look like consistency in fiscal responsibility was the reason.

You just about done yet?

 

[karl marx]

nope i am still waiting for someone to give me a reply that i find interesting.

 

[devil21]

Ill bite. Then who pays for them? Please enlighten us.

consumers.

often times you may see ads from the US mint on TV talking about coins or maybe a congressional medal.


in fact due to the improvement in technologies they have also expanded there services to the internet.

http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wc...10001&storeId=10001&productId=11074&langId=-1

the replica costs 38$

Ive never seen a replica CMOH for sale on tv but YMMV. Based on your assertion, they would have to sell 790 replicas of one medal to cover the cost of a real medal. But since you seem to want to get into the minutae of the topic, would it be safe to assume that the $30K is spent FIRST from taxpayer money to the Mint to make the real medal, in order to hope to recoup that cost at a later time? In order for your assertion to be true, they would have to sell 790 replicas BEFORE they give someone their real medal for it to not be paid for with taxpayer money.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

The medal DID cost the taxpayers $30,000 from the MINT PUBLIC FUND.

SEC. 5. FUNDING.

(a) AUTHORITY TO USE FUND AMOUNTS- There is authorized to be charged against the United States Mint Public Enterprise Fund an amount not to exceed $30,000 to pay for the cost of the medals authorized by this Act.

(b) PROCEEDS OF SALE- Amounts received from the sale of duplicate bronze medals under section 3 shall be deposited in the United States Mint Public Enterprise Fund.

The blog says

Another attempt to twist and squirm, because Ron Paul never opposed the medal on the basis that he didn't think that the replicas wouldn't be popular enough to cover costs.

Irrelevant. Tax dollars paid for the medal, end of story.

 

[MikeSmith]

http://hortnon.blogspot.com/2008/01/proof-of-pauls-hypocrisy.html

Well that's what I set out to determine. Was he so set in his beliefs, that he voted against every medal Congress proposed?

The common example used is that Paul voted for Frank Sinatra's medal. However, I could find no proof of this. The medal passed with a 2/3 majority, and the individual votes weren't recorded. So he could've voted either way, there's no way to know.

I decided to randomly pick a medal given after the Rosa Parks medal and see how Paul voted on it. I ended up with the medal given to the Tuskegee Airman, passed Feb 28, 2006. Results? Ayes: 400. Nays: 0.

Well, there were 32 no-votes, so maybe Paul was just absent for the vote, but he would've voted against it, right?!

Wrong: Aye TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]

So, at the very least, this suggests Ron Paul didn't vote against the Rosa Parks medal for purely racist reasons. But, what it does prove is that Paul did have a reason to vote against the Parks medal, and it doesn't look like consistency in fiscal responsibility was the reason.

Since the Tuskegee airmen were all black, and considering you thought voting for a medal determines whether one is racist or not, you are now conceding Paul isn't racist?

Also, military members who were denied medals by their government and civilians are two completely separate issues.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Also, military members who were denied medals by their government and civilians are two completely separate issues.

Very good point. Paul has a long history of helping military men and women obtain their medals.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul on the Rosa Parks medal (starts at about the 6:30 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwuYKGIn38

 

[karl marx]

Since the Tuskegee airmen were all black, and considering you thought voting for a medal determines whether one is racist or not, you are now conceding Paul isn't racist?

Also, military members who were denied medals by their government and civilians are two completely separate issues.

I am saying Ron Paul is racist because of his newsletter,but i am saying he is a dumb ass or a liar because of his insistence that he votes not against congressional medals because they are tax payer funded,of course this is bullshit and he would have known this if he read the bill. Furthermore not only does Ron Paul break his principles but even after he votes for one congressional medal he discontinue to use the same bullshit excuse.
http://kineticreaction.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-paul-opposes-medal-to-dalai-lama.html

 

[Lucille]

nope i am still waiting for someone to give me a reply that i find interesting.

I'm still waiting for you to capitalize and spell properly, or at least learn how to use a spell check which would cover both problems. (Obviously, Karl is another victim of our public school system. Karl's t-shirt should read: I went to public school for 12 years and all I got was this lousy socialist indoctrination!)

Now it's your turn:

1) Why do Democrats love Che? Don't they know that he was a homophobic, racist, vile, murdering pig?

2) Why do Democrats continually victimize, use and undermine the black community like they do? What have they done for them lately but continue to tear black families and communities apart by replacing fathers with welfare, and locking them up in their racist War on Drugs?

3) Why do Democrats hate liberty and individualism?

 

[karl marx]

Ron Paul on the Rosa Parks medal (starts at about the 6:30 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwuYKGIn38

yeah But congressional medals are not tax payer funded.

 

[karl marx]

I'm still waiting for you to capitalize and spell properly, or at least learn how to use a spell check which would cover both problems. (Obviously, Karl is another victim of our public school system. Karl's t-shirt should read: I went to public school for 12 years and all I got was this lousy socialist indoctrination!)

Now it's your turn:

1) Why do Democrats love Che? Don't they know that he was a homophobic, racist, vile, murdering pig?

2) Why do Democrats continually victimize, use and undermine the black community like they do? What have they done for them lately but continue to tear black families and communities apart by replacing fathers with welfare, and locking them up in their racist War on Drugs?

3) Why do Democrats hate liberty and individualism?

ah yes another ron paul supporter attempts to change the subject. Democrats do not love che,but at least they do not slander there opponents in order to gain support.