Debate for National Health Care Starts on the House Floor @ 1030 EST / 0730PST 11/7

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I think this may light the fuse for a second revolution.

On C-SPAN channel. http://www.c-span.org/http://www.c-span.org/

Live Feed: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspxhttp://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

Amendment was 10 votes short as of last night, so Speaker Pelosi and Whip Clyburn allowed changes from last night's freeze on the H.R. Amendment to get votes. Please note the below... this is what the latest legislation contains:
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail.

"The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
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In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.”[page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.


Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016. <=== THIS!


PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583
 
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Watching the sellouts extending their pathetic remarks is sickening.

Traitors all...

Is Dueling still legal?
 
Do we know if Ron Paul is going to give a speech?


He was scheduled to speak last night, but didn't make his role call to the floor.(that was around 9-10PM EST So I don't know if he made it... but man, the BS of these Liberal Clowns pushing the Next big PONZI SCHEME that we will be forced to pay, one way or another.

One thing we notice on the floor speeches... Liberal Democrat Zoe Loftgren D-San Jose, CA appears to have Parkinson's Disease.

When I google Zoe Loftgren and Parkinson's, look's like she's gone out of her way supporting Parkinson's groups.
 
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Some good Speeches by a few Republicans. Yeah, there's no Debate... it's spewing garbage

Pete Sessions brought up the incarceration and $250K fines in the new Pelosi section.

That Democrat Slaughter from New York mentioned the Gang of Protestors surrounded the Capital trying to force the politicians into dropping Health Care... :rolleyes:
 
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I can't believe this.

I'm watching the voting right now and only 2 out of 60 Democrats have voted against this bill. The bill is going to pass. So sickening.
 
Man you watch that Press Release with Socialists; Whip James Clyburn, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer.

These Lunatics are going to start the Next Revolution...
 
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Man you watch that Press Release with Socialists; Whip James Clyburn, Nancy Pelosi and Deny Hoyer.

These Lunatics are going to start the Next Revolution...

And I can't believe all this Democratic liberal rhetoric. "Let's stand on the right side of history." Gimme a break.
 
I can't believe this.

I'm watching the voting right now and only 2 out of 60 Democrats have voted against this bill. The bill is going to pass. So sickening.

THey are not voting on the bill. That's not going to happen until later.
 
So what are they voting on right now?

When exactly does the actual health care bill get voted on?
 
There yah go... Democrats hiding behind the CHILDREN again.

So does this mean, that since we are all forced upon Health Care, that means SCHIP is gone?

Has anyone calculated the cost to putting 47 Million more on National Health Care?

Has anyone figured out all the Judicial Costs and Prison Planet Cost for non compliance?

I see a lot of violence related to this... people are not going to be forced to go to Prison... I hope the clowns realize what they are doing. It is going to get VERY UGLY.
 
You can call into C-SPAN anad voice your Opposition: I'm calling in on both lines!

(202) 585-3885 FOR BILL

(202) 585-3886 AGAINST BILL


4 hours of Debate follow
 
You are about to witness democracy in all its splendor; a majority of privileged individuals forcing its will on others through threat and coercion.
 
Thomas Jefferson: "Democracy is 51% Mob rule over the other 49%.

The sad part is... the Democrats are the majority only because of the people's hatred of the Tyranny of Dubya Bush. The people just picked the other party available to rid the lockstep political party bullshit that ruined our country.

A majority of Americans don't want this Mandated Health Care, yet the majority democrats are pushing it. This should be an Amendment to the US Constitution requiring ratification to force this upon the people.

then after: We are ALL pawns to the: Hospital, Insurance, Big Pharma, Medical devices, Medical support sectors, Lobbyists, IRS, Prison Industrial Complex, and every/any other business group that can profit and lobby to profit the Whores in Washington to sell us all out.

Government Grows and Controls it all... This will end in Nationwide defiance... and possibly a revolution.
 
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I'd really hate to miss this declaration of war against (some of )the American people when it goes down.
 
Watching these Democrats on C-SPAN is torture enough. All this praise for Steny Hoyer and him saying this is what our founders want. What is sad is there are people that actually believe that.
 
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