Dear Trumpskiites. "Rapidly" does not equal "Wait their turn."

[jmdrake]

So, opposing tyrants is your cause and this thread is the vehicle?

C'mon man, that's just a little bit funny, no?

Ummmmm....who's being silly other than you? Erowe1 made the valid point that taking on Trump is no different than taking on Obama or Bush. Are you in every thread taking on the "Cruz haters?" How many threads do we have now about Cruz' supposed sex scandal? But here is a thread pointing out the truth that Trump is now saying what some of his gullible followers think he's saying with regards to immigration. Why is that not more important than who the National Enquirer claims Cruz bonked?

Oh, and I got a neg rep from another cowardly Trump supporter kahless. She can't take the truth either but doesn't have the courage to try to oppose it openly.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Do you have to be such a hypocrite? Seriously, you call me a liar and lie in the process of calling me a liar, and you get upset because I call you a liar?



Here ya go.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/03/trump-softens-h1b-visa-policy-during-gop-debate.html

Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Thursday he is softening his stance on visas for highly-skilled workers.

“I’m changing. We need highly-skilled people in this country,” Trump said during the Fox News Republican debate in Detroit. “If we can’t do it, we will get them in.”

Trump’s stance toward awarding H1-B visas is different from the one he takes on his campaign website, which argues that more visas for highly-skilled foreigners would “decimate American workers.”

“One of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges … as soon as they’re finished, they get shoved out. They want to stay in this country," Trump said at the debate. "They want to stay here desperately. They’re not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brainpower in this country.”

Trump said he was now in favor of the H1B-visa program - despite what his website still says.

“So you are abandoning the position on your website?” Fox News debate moderator Megyn Kelly asked.

“I’m changing it and I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country,” Trump said.

So Donald Trump, by his own admission, has changed positions on immigration faster than his webmaster can keep up with.

Trump issued a correction about his statement in that debate within hours and gave a fantastic answer on H1B in the next debate. He is not a candidate that has a super firm grasp on the details of every policy. His position is basically repeat "build a wall" over and over and let Jeff Sessions handle the details and that is a very good thing.

 

[Origanalist]

Trump issued a correction about his statement in that debate within hours and gave a fantastic answer on H1B in the next debate. He is not a candidate that has a super firm grasp on the details of every policy. His position is basically repeat "build a wall" over and over and let Jeff Sessions handle the details and that is a very good thing.

There is just no getting around that little detail is there?

 

[RonPaulMall]

There is just no getting around that little detail is there?

It isn't important. Hillary is quite clear on the details and every detail she hopes to enact is pure evil. At least Trump gets the big picture right.

 

[Origanalist]

It isn't important. Hillary is quite clear on the details and every detail she hopes to enact is pure evil. At least Trump gets the big picture right.

Ok, so what is "the big picture"?

 

[RandallFan]

It doesn't matter if Trump wants them rapidly back in.

If 1 million instead of 2 million illegal parasites cross the border over the next 4 years, Trump can be thanked for his rhetoric.

Congress wont fund the "rapidly back in" program. They have bigger problems like how to force Trump & then Rand to go to war.

But Trump voters do think a guy who considers them rapists(Trump) can be trusted to deport gang members and EBT fraudsters in the millions whereas Rand flip flopped and said they will be his taxpayers.

Trump has a low opinion of the magical unicorn powers of Mexican illegals in infuzing the Economy.

Trump said "they are not the best and brightest". Rand said" they are hardworking and will pay significant taxes".

Trump diverged from the hardworking BS spewed by every beltway consultant.

Do a search on any pundit or GOP office holder concern-trolling Trump's potential immigration record & 90% of them are as bad as McCain or Graham on the issue.


Cruz buttboys at Redstate are big time RINOs on amnesty for illegals. This is how insane they are. 2013 conventional wisdom:"Chamber of Commerce supports amnesty, so this bill will pass".

The Conservative Review Mark Levin types all got kicked off Redstate because they weren't pro-amnesty enough.

Immigration Proves A 'Rubik's Cube' For Many Republicans ...

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Ted Cruz has never seen a 'Hispanic panhandler;' no ...

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Apr 30, 2015 - Ted Cruz, R-Texas gestures while he talks at the U.S. Hispanic ..... to offer an opinion about African-Americans who beg for money on the street.

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Jun 20, 2014 - Senator Rand Paul's Imaginary Libertarian Immigrants ..... George Borjas concludes that Hispanics are “[a]ssimilating into the welfare system.




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Apr 1, 2014 - Sorry, Rand Paul: Hispanics Aren't Going to Vote GOP Either Way .... If immigrants live here illegally and game our welfare system, they should ...



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Jun 16, 2015 - When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those ... Us Their Best; Criminals, Drug Dealers And Rapists Are Crossing Border.

 

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[silverhandorder]

Someone is going to win and Trump is actually good candidate even though there is a lot I don't like about him. I can't say the same about McCain or Romney both of them were fucking terrible.

 

[NOVALibertarian]

Ok, so what is "the big picture"?

The "big picture" is that Trump, unlike everyone else, seemingly realizes the threat that mass third-world immigration poses to the West.

It amazes me that libertarians don't realize that America becoming New Brazil will be worse for the cause of liberty than Donald Trump ever could be. Good luck enacting liberty-friendly reforms when a group of people, most of whom know nothing about the idea of liberty and philosophy behind it, are the majority. The entire idea of liberty and inalienable rights are essentially a product of Western civilization. Meanwhile, most of the third-world immigrants that arrive in America, especially the illegals, have no intention of assimilating and adopting western values. Hopefully you see the long-term problem here.

For me, that's the big picture.

 

[Wilf]

The "big picture" is that Trump, unlike everyone else, seemingly realizes the threat that mass third-world immigration poses to the West.

It amazes me that libertarians don't realize that America becoming New Brazil will be worse for the cause of liberty than Donald Trump ever could be. Good luck enacting liberty-friendly reforms when a group of people, most of whom know nothing about the idea of liberty and philosophy behind it, are the majority. The entire idea of liberty and inalienable rights are essentially a product of Western civilization. Meanwhile, most of the third-world immigrants that arrive in America, especially the illegals, have no intention of assimilating and adopting western values. Hopefully you see the long-term problem here.

For me, that's the big picture.

That's a pretty collectivist statement for someone that consider themselves a libertarian.

 

[NOVALibertarian]

That's a pretty collectivist statement for someone that consider themselves a libertarian.

Look at how most Hispanics vote. At some point you have to form a generalization, and history tells us that the entire concept of liberty in Latin America is a foreign concept at best, and non-existent at worst.

 

[jmdrake]

The "big picture" is that Trump, unlike everyone else, seemingly realizes the threat that mass third-world immigration poses to the West.

It amazes me that libertarians don't realize that America becoming New Brazil will be worse for the cause of liberty than Donald Trump ever could be. Good luck enacting liberty-friendly reforms when a group of people, most of whom know nothing about the idea of liberty and philosophy behind it, are the majority. The entire idea of liberty and inalienable rights are essentially a product of Western civilization. Meanwhile, most of the third-world immigrants that arrive in America, especially the illegals, have no intention of assimilating and adopting western values. Hopefully you see the long-term problem here.

For me, that's the big picture.

Ummmmm....no. The "big picture" is that Trump is claiming to be concerned about mass third-world migration while pushing what is expensive amnesty. That is the big picture. Deport them all....then bring them back rapidly. All you seem to hear Trump say is the parts that fit what you're hoping he will do.

 

[NOVALibertarian]

Ummmmm....no. The "big picture" is that Trump is claiming to be concerned about mass third-world migration while pushing what is expensive amnesty. That is the big picture. Deport them all....then bring them back rapidly. All you seem to hear Trump say is the parts that fit what you're hoping he will do.

So worst case scenario is that Trump does exactly what everyone else would have done. By doing so, Trump's legacy is flushed down the toilet and he loses in a massive landslide in 2020, if not outright primaried.

Don't underestimate his ego to want to be remembered as the guy who Made America Great Again.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Ummmmm....no. The "big picture" is that Trump is claiming to be concerned about mass third-world migration while pushing what is expensive amnesty. That is the big picture. Deport them all....then bring them back rapidly. All you seem to hear Trump say is the parts that fit what you're hoping he will do.

"oh noes! Trump expensive amnesty! oh noes! Trump will bring them back rapidly!!"

Trump has the best words and that's all you need to know.

 

[jmdrake]

So worst case scenario is that Trump does exactly what everyone else would have done. By doing so, Trump's legacy is flushed down the toilet and he loses in a massive landslide in 2020, if not outright primaried.

Don't underestimate his ego to want to be remembered as the guy who Made America Great Again.

No. Worse case scenario is that he does worse than everyone else. He spends the money to deport the people he's going to bring back rapidly. Then he makes those people citizens and gets reelected in a landslide in 2020 and uses eminent domain to give them all your land. Ustados Unitos es made muy bueno otro bes!

 

[RonPaulMall]

Ummmmm....no. The "big picture" is that Trump is claiming to be concerned about mass third-world migration while pushing what is expensive amnesty. That is the big picture. Deport them all....then bring them back rapidly. All you seem to hear Trump say is the parts that fit what you're hoping he will do.

Trump has been in the public spotlight for 40 years. We know him well enough to form an opinion about what his likely views are towards flooding America with third world immigrants or whether he thinks it is a good idea that America has been granting green cards to twice as many Muslims than Europeans over the past couple years. And since the starting point of this whole negotiation is going to be an Immigration Bill drafted by Jeff Sessions himself, there is even less reason for concern.

 

[misterx]

How many times is this thread going to be posted with a different title?

 

[erowe1]

America has been granting green cards to twice as many Muslims than Europeans over the past couple years.

Source?

 

[jmdrake]

Trump has been in the public spotlight for 40 years. We know him well enough to form an opinion about what his likely views are towards flooding America with third world immigrants or whether he thinks it is a good idea that America has been granting green cards to twice as many Muslims than Europeans over the past couple years. And since the starting point of this whole negotiation is going to be an Immigration Bill drafted by Jeff Sessions himself, there is even less reason for concern.

And during that 40 years he has:

1) Called for a complete assault weapons ban. (Year 2000; Source - Trump's book "The America We Deserve")

2) Hired illegal immigrants himself

3) Built factories in China

4) Been for the Iraq war (2002) then against the Iraq war (2004), then lied and said he had always been against in (2015 GOP debate)

5) Supporter sending troops into Libya to overthrow Khaddafi, only to years later say that was a horrible idea.

6) Supporter expanding H1B visas, then opposed that, then supported it, then....I'm not sure what his stance is now

7) Never admitted he was wrong about anything.

So....your hope is based on the idea that he's lying this time and that he will keep his promise to let Jeff Sessions handle everything. Okay.

 

[erowe1]

And since the starting point of this whole negotiation is going to be an Immigration Bill drafted by Jeff Sessions himself, there is even less reason for concern.

This is the guy who makes Trump even less concerning for you?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jeff_Sessions.htm