De-militarize the Police: A List of Demands

[tod evans]

Abolishing qualified immunity would be HUGE. Having the ability to hold all government entities (officials, politicians, officers, etc) liable for their personal actions is paramount.

Where do you envision holding them accountable?

Surely not in their courts.....

 

[brushfire]

Where do you envision holding them accountable?

Surely not in their courts.....

Along the same lines, how would you envision them exposing themselves illegally? Qualified immunity is not there by accident.

Still, if they could be sued, think of every wrongful stop or false arrest. That to me is a huge step in the right direction. As it stands now, cops may be penalized if they dont arrest a criminal, but there is zero penalty to arrest an innocent person. (read complete violation of an individual's rights equates to nothing more than "er...sorry?")

 

[tod evans]

Along the same lines, how would you envision them exposing themselves illegally? Qualified immunity is not there by accident.

Still, if they could be sued, think of every wrongful stop or false arrest. That to me is a huge step in the right direction. As it stands now, cops may be penalized if they dont arrest a criminal, but there is zero penalty to arrest an innocent person. (read complete violation of an individual's rights equates to nothing more than "er...sorry?")

The entire court system must be rebuilt from the ground up, the whole thing is corrupt and not representative of the will of the people.

Cops wouldn't be able to abridge rights without complicit courts regardless of new laws or appellate court rulings.

In my opinion it's those sleazy, behind the scene state and federal employees employed by the "Just-Us" departments across the country who are liable, from the court clerks to the supreme court judges.

The idea of courts and a court system is sound, our bastardization implementing it isn't..

Lifetime appointments, pensions and benefits have no place, yearly elections and pay contingent on local funding might be somewhat better...

 

[brushfire]

The entire court system must be rebuilt from the ground up, the whole thing is corrupt and not representative of the will of the people.

Cops wouldn't be able to abridge rights without complicit courts regardless of new laws or appellate court rulings.

In my opinion it's those sleazy, behind the scene state and federal employees employed by the "Just-Us" departments across the country who are liable, from the court clerks to the supreme court judges.

The idea of courts and a court system is sound, our bastardization implementing it isn't..

Lifetime appointments, pensions and benefits have no place, yearly elections and pay contingent on local funding might be somewhat better...

I hear ya... there's so much to fix, its probably better of to start over at this point.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Just wanted to offer my two cents to say it's hard to create a movement around "abolishing all police". Not enough people would be interested in joining that movement for anyone to feel any pressure.

We need bold demands, but also easily understood talking points (look at Frank Luntz's work for example) to make our demands look both necessary and reasonable.

I see certain well-intentioned posters here saying "we must demand..." and yes that is definitely a good start but there are two parts of the equation: who constitutes "we", and what our demands are. And if our demands aren't presented in a palatable way for the masses, "we" will only be an inconsequential group of anarchists. Let's be honest - libertarians are historically horrible at getting movements off the ground, and there's a reason why. Let's not keep heading down that same path.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

The entire court system must be rebuilt from the ground up, the whole thing is corrupt and not representative of the will of the people.

Cops wouldn't be able to abridge rights without complicit courts regardless of new laws or appellate court rulings.

In my opinion it's those sleazy, behind the scene state and federal employees employed by the "Just-Us" departments across the country who are liable, from the court clerks to the supreme court judges.

The idea of courts and a court system is sound, our bastardization implementing it isn't..

Lifetime appointments, pensions and benefits have no place, yearly elections and pay contingent on local funding might be somewhat better...

The best way to fix the court system, if we are to have such a system, is:

A. Change the title "judge" to "president" and limit his job description to keeping order in the court room.

B. Re-codify into law jury nullification. Require the judge or "president" to explain to the jury their right to disregard unconstitutional laws
and set the accused free. Allow attorneys to argue their cases to juries based on jury nullification; this enables attorneys to argue cases based on constitutional principles rather than court precedent.

C. Ban plea bargaining and require all cases to go to jury.

Re-codify juries as the sole arbiters of guilt and innocence, inform people of it, require all accused to go before a jury,
and watch the "justice system" implode in a matter of weeks.

The answers to our problems are for the most part are simple. The thieves that stole this country after Lincoln's War left in place only the checks and balances that are meaningless. Real checks on the government like money, interest rates juries, sheriffs, states and militias are nonexistent, they don't really exist in this country even if we use the words because the words themselves have been destroyed through corporate and government propaganda. Which is exactly why we must fight for them.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

Here are two new ones. I'll start working on splitting up the Citizen Demand Poster this weekend. Will you guys spread these around? (FYI I know that Sheriffs and not Police Chiefs were elected but the principle is the same.)

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

What do you guys think about this one?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

The Civil Forfeiture Reform Act was introduced on the house floor this morning.

The sponsor mentioned that 2 Billion dollars a year is stolen from the public this way.

-t