Dave Smith & Tom Woods on Voting Trump

[PAF]

Okay, I get you feel very strongly about it.

What are you going to do about it?



You don't get "unselfish" credit for not doing things, that's not how this works. If I got "unselfish" credit for everything I didn't do, I'd be the goddamn Mother Teresa, because I don't do jack $#@!.

The simple fact of the matter is you are a slave. And you are, for the most part, a very well behaved and obedient slave. Your masters would probably describe you as such, even if you like to think of yourself as a rebel.

And further, you have allowed your children (assuming you have children) to be born into slavery.

They are gonna live a life of slavery, and their children are gonna live a life of slavery.

And you did pretty much nothing to oppose it. You can't honestly look your children in the eyes and say "Sorry little Jimmy, I did everything I could".

Anything short of that, yea, it's pretty $#@!ing selfish, considering the legacy of slavery that you are leaving them with.

At least I can admit I'm a selfish prick that only cares about myself. $#@! future generations, all I care about is me, but at least I'm honest with myself, and you, about it.

Ok, this is getting carried away now

We can sit here and write volumes upon volumes upon volumes and for what?

You get my drift, I got yours, let's carry on

 

[TheTexan]

??????

Do you not know the outreach that I do, aside from my weekly Liberty Group Meetings? I haven written about my activism many times on this forum, but they must be glossed over if you don't know by now.

Me not doing anything? lol

Book clubs don't really count as doing something, if there is not an actual purpose to pursue disobedience. Does your Liberty Group have any intention of ever doing meaningful , as a group?

 

[TheTexan]

Ok, this is getting carried away now

We can sit here and write volumes upon volumes upon volumes and for what?

You get my drift, I got yours, let's carry on

I just want people to admit that they're not doing nearly as much as they could -- and should -- be doing for their children's freedom.

Or admit, that they are selfish assholes like me.

If I can guilt trip even one person into doing something, it's worth it

 

[PAF]

I just want people to admit that they're not doing nearly as much as they could -- and should -- be doing for their children.

Or admit, that they are selfish $#@!s like me.

If I can guilt trip even one person into doing something, it's worth it

This is but one tiny and latest example, though I have not amended to it since it was written: Attended a Meetup

I have too many more examples that would literally fill a book.

I have also invited "Change with Wind" [MENTION=30558]CaptUSA[/MENTION] to join us to eat good food and activate with us since he lives right around the corner, but, he's "too busy" because he would rather write on a forum - and protect his privacy

 

[PAF]

If I can guilt trip even one person into doing something, it's worth it

This is the last thing that I will mention so as not to detract from the thread, but, we have held events at the local fair grounds for years in a row which drew people in from NY, Ohio, West Virginia and PA. And then the gun shows where we have tables set up to provide information/Q&A/other activism efforts. That's the kind of stuff that I/we do.

 

[TheTexan]

This is but one tiny and latest example, though I have not amended to it since it was written: Attended a Meetup

I have too many more examples that would literally fill a book.

I have also invited "Change with Wind" [MENTION=30558]CaptUSA[/MENTION] to join us to eat good food and activate with us since he lives right around the corner, but, he's "too busy" because he would rather write on a forum - and protect his privacy

I would still challenge yourself to ask -- can you honestly look little Jimmy in the eye and say "sorry little Jimmy, I did the best I could do?"

 

[TheTexan]

This is the last thing that I will mention so as not to detract from the thread, but, we have held events at the local fair grounds for years in a row which drew people in from NY, Ohio, West Virginia and PA. And then the gun shows where we have tables set up to provide information/Q&A/other activism efforts. That's the kind of stuff that I/we do.

That's great, and I encourage it, but that still firmly falls under the "obedient slave" category of activities.

Not to be a dick, just calling a spade a spade.

 

[PAF]

I would still challenge yourself to ask -- can you honestly look little Jimmy in the eye and say "sorry little Jimmy, I did the best I could do?"

Nope. That's not my bit. I do what I do, and then it's up to the individual to decide what they want to do, or not.

 

[TheTexan]

Nope. That's not my bit. I do what I do, and then it's up to the individual to decide what they want to do, or not.

Well then you're a selfish asshole, like me

 

[PAF]

That's great, and I encourage it, but that still firmly falls under the "obedient slave" category of activities.

Not to be a dick, just calling a spade a spade.

I'm an Agorist. I look for ways every day to circumvent the system.

There's a couple of good chapters in my sig to explain how.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I know it seems pointless to support Trump, but it's not.

As far as I see it, there's two options:
1) Completely check out and just let Marxism go entirely unopposed
2) Collaborate in a social manner to try to do something

I get that it looks pretty fucking futile right now and #1 looks pretty tempting. (and for a purely selfish individual, probably the right choice, honestly)

But if we actually want a chance, #2 is pretty much required. And right now, it's less about the results that we can create, and more about building the social structures and organizations that will allow us to put up a meaningful resistance, when such an opportunity presents itself.

Currently as it stands, anyone who is anti-Marxist, is generally rallying on the Trump side of things. So at this point, it's less about supporting Trump himself, and more about supporting the general anti-Marxist cause. (Even if Trump ironically, is in many ways Marxist)

As such, I don't think we have our "Sons of Liberty" yet, but that didn't form overnight either. For effective resistance movements to develop, ineffective resistance movements must first be present.

But I can guarantee one thing, there sure as shit won't be a "Sons of Liberty" in our generation, if we all just decide to check out and not get involved at all. If your goal is to improve the future of this country, or sub-countries, it's better to be involved in something, than nothing.

Yea there's definitely a coalition forming. I'm not gonna call it this era's "Sons of Liberty", but who knows, it may be a precursor to that.

But yea, the coalition for sure is worth supporting, even if Trump isn't.

https://x.com/alx/status/1852454701943423287
& https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1852472973728338409

 

[PAF]

Well then you're a selfish $#@!, like me

In some ways I am, but once you get to know me, I'm more of hard-core biker-bar teddy bear

 

[TheTexan]

I'm an Agorist. I look for ways every day to circumvent the system.

There's a couple of good chapters in my sig to explain how.

Disobedience... within their acceptable limits... is it still disobedience?

 

[PAF]

https://x.com/alx/status/1852454701943423287
& https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1852472973728338409

We shall see, won't we?

 

[TheTexan]

https://x.com/alx/status/1852454701943423287
& https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1852472973728338409

Heck yea

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/alx/status/1852454701943423287
& https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1852472973728338409

THREAD: Ron Paul: Willing to Help Elon Cut Government

 

[Occam's Banana]

We shall see, won't we?

We shall. (We always do.)

I'm not going to hold my breath - but I'm not going to hyperventilate, either.

 

[PAF]

We shall. (We always do.)

I'm not going to hold my breath - but I'm not going to hyperventilate, either.

I'm still listening to the interview with Ron. He stated that he will not take a position with the administration, but will continue the education for the long haul. He eluded that it is important that people have an understanding of what is entailed, otherwise it will lead to chaos/civil war.

A lot of folks are forgetting the fact that administrations do change, and that unless/until The People are on board with policies, everything done now [if it even it does happen] can simply flip on a dime.

The danger is the implementation of bad policies which are embedded into these programs, which are never reversed, all in hope for the correct and rightful policies which seldom ever are.

It is the government [state], after all, and it is not out to "free us", but to keep us at bay.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1852468326435278907

 

[Okie RP fan]

2024 is basically a referendum on whether or not you want full-on Marxism.

Do you want full-on Marxism? Yes / No

Add in a referendum on the mainstream media.

Look, I still don't think Trump is a great person. I still don't think he's that trustworthy from a liberty perspective, but I don't think he's playing the role he's supposed to be playing. And that is what got him in trouble with the Deep State, mainstream media, etc.

The constant attacks on him and his family while Biden (and Clinton) has gotten off scot-free is one of the primary reasons I'm probably going to cast my vote for Trump this election. If nothing else, just a little [pointless] middle finger to the "machine."

And no, I don't need lectures from anyone on here about that take above...