Dave Smith & Tom Woods on Voting Trump

[PAF]

Doesn't matter if you play or not, the guy on the other side is still taking your money and you are flat out letting him do it without any opposition whatsoever.

I'm not saying you should keep playing his game. Don't play his game. Throw over the table. Yell rape and get him arrested by the authorities. Put laxatives in his soda. Do something.

But doing nothing, because it is easier, is 1000% the selfish choice. You're leaving your children a legacy of slavery, and you can't even tell them that you tried to oppose it. (Except perhaps, with your strongly worded posts of disagreement on RPF)

Sleeping with a clear conscience is important to me. Sometimes doing nothing because "it is easier" is not the selfish choice. For example:

After Six Years of Tariffs, Small-Business Owners Aren't Eager for More

I’ll take some cost increase if I know that the tariffs are being used to advance America first. Trump uses tariffs as a tool. I support that.

Democracy: allowing people who don't have a single clue about running a small/medium business vote on small/medium business owners behalf for their own uninformed/politically-motivated selfish reason(s).

 

[TheTexan]

Sleeping with a clear conscience is important to me. Sometimes doing nothing because "it is easier" is not the selfish choice. For example:

I'm not able to parse the meaning of your point from your example.

 

[PAF]

I'm not able to parse the meaning of your point from your example.

Kick back, take a load off and think about it for a while ;-)

 

[TheTexan]

For me, I'm feeling the Tom/Dave argument. I see hope on the horizon. I don't think the old "republicans" will ever get their act together, but there may be a new blood taking over the brand.

Yea there's definitely a coalition forming. I'm not gonna call it this era's "Sons of Liberty", but who knows, it may be a precursor to that.

But yea, the coalition for sure is worth supporting, even if Trump isn't.

 

[PAF]

Yea there's definitely a coalition forming. I'm not gonna call it this era's "Sons of Liberty", but who knows, it may be a precursor to that.

But yea, the coalition for sure is worth supporting, even if Trump isn't.

Not for me it isn't. That "coalition" doesn't know the first thing about liberty. For the most part, all they see is a letter of the alphabet and a "win". The first mention about the Bill of Rights and spending gets chucked right out the door.

 

[TheTexan]

Not for me it isn't. That "coalition" doesn't know the first thing about liberty. For the most part, all they see is a letter of the alphabet and a "win". The first mention about the Bill of Rights and spending gets chucked right out the door.

Dave Smith, Tom Woods, Angela McArdle, don't know the first thing about liberty?

 

[CaptUSA]

Dave Smith, Tom Woods, Angela McArdle, don't know the first thing about liberty?

Michael Heise, Thomas Massie, Vivek?

 

[PAF]

Dave Smith, Tom Woods, Angela McArdle, don't know the first thing about liberty?

Dave Smith I have no use for.

Tom Woods, he's without a doubt a good one, and I do listen to him to hear his views. But even he's not a God.

Angela, it's best I keep my mouth shut.

I think and choose for myself and don't require a "leader".

 

[CaptUSA]

Not for me it isn't. That "coalition" doesn't know the first thing about liberty. For the most part, all they see is a letter of the alphabet and a "win". The first mention about the Bill of Rights and spending gets chucked right out the door.

You REALLY need to watch that episode. And try to at least understand it - even if you don't agree with it. Because I think we're talking about two different things.

 

[PAF]

Michael Heise, Thomas Massie, Vivek?

Tom and I get along very well. I don't know Heise. Vivek is another billionaire opportunist like Trump/Elon. F&ck Vivek.

I watched the entire episode. I don't comment on anything unless/until I read/listen to its entirety.

 

[TheTexan]

I think and choose for myself and don't require a "leader".

That's great, and I respect that you live in your little cave of ideological purity -- I really and genuinely mean that --

but nothing of historical significance was ever accomplished by people who lived in such caves.

 

[PAF]

That's great, and I respect that you live in your little cave of ideological purity -- I really and genuinely mean that --

but nothing of historical significance was ever accomplished by people who lived in such caves.

Did you ponder/analyze Post #21 yet?

 

[TheTexan]

Did you ponder/analyze Post #21 yet?

Yea and I still don't get it

 

[PAF]

Yea and I still don't get it

1. Read Title.

2. Read response just under the title.

3. Read my response to the response under the title.

Trust me, it's not hard to figure out if you just read it and let it settle in. And then you'll see my point. And, just maybe you'll agree with it [or not].

 

[TheTexan]

1. Read Title.

2. Read response just under the title.

3. Read my response to the response under the title.

Trust me, it's not hard to figure out if you just read it and let it settle in. And then you'll see my point. And, just maybe you'll agree with it [or not].

Is your point that, people who vote for tariffs [doing something] is selfish, and people who don't vote for tariffs [doing nothing] is not selfish?

If that's your point, then you entirely missed my point.

Voting is not "doing something".

Supporting tariffs is not "doing something".

Dead people have been known to do both of those things ^. And if a dead person can do it, then it doesn't really count as doing something, does it?

To help clarify --- what I mean by "Doing something", is making an actual effort, making some meaningful amount of sacrifice in your life, to make the changes that you want to see.

Casually educating people on the internet = Doing nothing. (Doesn't take much sacrifice to do that. I'm lazy as fuck and even I do that.)

Going to Trump Rallies and trying to find like minded individuals to try and form something similar to what "Sons of Liberty" was for the American revolution = At least doing something.

And that's just one of a million ways to do something.

But no, merely supporting or voting tariffs is not "doing something". If you have a point to make, you'd need to use another example than just that.

 

[PAF]

Is your point that, people who vote for tariffs [doing something] is selfish, and people who don't vote for tariffs [doing nothing] is not selfish?

If that's your point, then you entirely missed my point.

Voting is not "doing something".

Supporting tariffs is not "doing something".

Dead people have been known to do both of those things ^. And if a dead person can do it, then it doesn't really count as doing something, does it?

To help clarify --- what I mean by "Doing something", is making an actual effort, making some meaningful amount of sacrifice in your life, to make the changes that you want to see.

Casually educating people on the internet = Doing nothing. (Doesn't take much sacrifice to do that. I'm lazy as $#@! and even I do that.)

Going to Trump Rallies and trying to find like minded individuals to try and form something similar to what "Sons of Liberty" was for the American revolution = At least doing something.

And that's just one of a million ways to do something.

But no, merely supporting or voting tariffs is not "doing something". If you have a point to make, you'd need to use another example than just that.

The point is this:

Small/Medium Business Owners are complaining about rising Tariffs and do-not-want/can-not-afford anymore tariffs. It is a very legitimate concern. But, the voting population, many of whom don't even own a business, are supporting/voting for Trump on behalf of the business owners knowing that Trump will again raise Tariffs even higher, which will cause more strain on the small/medium business owner and potentially drive them out of business.

Why in the H3LL would I support/vote for that???

Democracy at its finest /sarc

I will sleep with a clear conscience knowing that I did not vote for higher tariffs, which would potentially drive those small/medium business owners out of business. That is an unselfish act of "not doing something".

 

[CaptUSA]

The point is this:

Small/Medium Business Owners are complaining about rising Tariffs and do-not-want/can-not-afford anymore tariffs. It is a very legitimate concern. But, the voting population, many of whom don't even own a business, are supporting/voting for Trump on behalf of the business owners knowing that Trump will again raise Tariffs even higher, which will cause more strain on the small/medium business owner and potentially drive them out of business.

Why in the H3LL would I support/vote for that???

Democracy at its finest /sarc

I will sleep with a clear conscience knowing that I did not vote for higher tariffs, which would potentially drive those small/medium business owners out of business. That is an unselfish act of "not doing something".

Man, this is what Dave means... This thread is about the Tom Woods /Dave Smith interview. There's a whole other thread about the idiotic tariff idea (and we're in agreement, there) But for some reason, you keep bringing it back to an ideological topic - even when the thread is about REALITY of the whole situation. It's like you're glitching out to feed your ego.

 

[PAF]

To help clarify --- what I mean by "Doing something", is making an actual effort, making some meaningful amount of sacrifice in your life, to make the changes that you want to see.

Casually educating people on the internet = Doing nothing. (Doesn't take much sacrifice to do that. I'm lazy as $#@! and even I do that.)

Going to Trump Rallies and trying to find like minded individuals to try and form something similar to what "Sons of Liberty" was for the American revolution = At least doing something.

And that's just one of a million ways to do something.

??????

Do you not know the outreach that I do, aside from my weekly Liberty Group Meetings? I haven written about my activism many times on this forum, but they must be glossed over if you don't know by now.

Me not doing anything? lol

 

[PAF]

Man, this is what Dave means... This thread is about the Tom Woods /Dave Smith interview. There's a whole other thread about the idiotic tariff idea (and we're in agreement, there) But for some reason, you keep bringing it back to an ideological topic - even when the thread is about REALITY of the whole situation. It's like you're glitching out to feed your ego.

He asked for clarification. I gave it to him. Don't cause problems that don't exist.

And, what I write does pertain to the OP video.

 

[TheTexan]

The point is this:

Small/Medium Business Owners are complaining about rising Tariffs and do-not-want/can-not-afford anymore tariffs. It is a very legitimate concern. But, the voting population, many of whom don't even own a business, are supporting/voting for Trump on behalf of the business owners knowing that Trump will again raise Tariffs even higher, which will cause more strain on the small/medium business owner and potentially drive them out of business.

Okay, I get you feel very strongly about it.

What are you going to do about it?

I will sleep with a clear conscience knowing that I did not vote for higher tariffs, which would potentially drive those small/medium business owners out of business. That is an unselfish act of "not doing something".

You don't get "unselfish" credit for not doing things, that's not how this works. If I got "unselfish" credit for everything I didn't do, I'd be the goddamn Mother Teresa, because I don't do jack shit.

The simple fact of the matter is you are a slave. And you are, for the most part, a very well behaved and obedient slave. Your masters would probably describe you as such, even if you like to think of yourself as a rebel.

And further, you have allowed your children (assuming you have children) to be born into slavery.

They are gonna live a life of slavery, and their children are gonna live a life of slavery.

And you did pretty much nothing to oppose it. You can't honestly look your children in the eyes and say "Sorry little Jimmy, I did everything I could".

Anything short of that, yea, it's pretty fucking selfish, considering the legacy of slavery that you are leaving them with.

At least I can admit I'm a selfish prick that only cares about myself. Fuck future generations, all I care about is me, but at least I'm honest with myself, and you, about it.