Dating coach banned from several countries after internet feminist outrage over misogynist vid

[pessimist]

Beta can intimidate and threaten, but until he overthrows the alpha and takes over the alpha role with the females and other betas, he is still beta.

Man, this thread is loads of fun!

so you're saying there is hope?

 

[Philhelm]

First, may I just say, GOD I love this thread! I really want to go out for beers with Dannno, PhilHelm, Rothbardian Girl and Pessimist and engage on this all night. Everyone should read the book "Why beautiful people have more daughters" as well.

Why do beautiful people have more daughters? Also, dibs on dannno's sweet, sweet butt.

So as I've said, women don't want to be treated badly. It's just that quite a large proportion of them are willing to *tolerate* being treated badly if it means a chance to mate with an alpha. This is why polygyny exists but not polyandry. Also, everything Philhelm has said about it not being about PUAs not treating them badly, just as disposable, is correct. I've read the PUA literature, and nowhere does it recommend treating women "badly." It does recommend "negging" which is just a deliberate advertisement of a male's alpha status. A neg is not treating women badly....it's not an insult. It's a backhanded compliment said in an utterly uninterested way that a desperate, p***y-on-a-pedestal beta would NEVER say. "Oh, is that dollar store nail polish?" Executed by an amateur pua, yes, Rothbardian Girl, it is obvious and easy to defend against. Executed by a true alpha you will never know it happened until he doesn't call the next day.

To add, my take is that most men put women on a pedestal and try to serve their every whim. The problem with this is that it inherently lowers the male's value since the woman becomes the prize. An Alpha male with plenty of options has no need to act this way; therefore, he[/] becomes the prize.

 

[Philhelm]

@philhelm

as an experiment i am going to try to pick up this cute waitress.

what technique should i use?

should i walk on in with swagger and say: "hey baby, what do you say i pick you up off work and we do a little sumthin sumthin?"

or should i pull "the nice romantic guy" routine?

*smile* "you have such beautiful eyes- they are as a pretty as a rainbow on a hot sunny day". "hey, would like to go to dinner and movie sometime?"

what about the "witty" guy?

*make a joke about packed restaurant as she takes order*

here is me in that situation...

*walks in...gets food...pays...leaves*

"have good day"

"you too"

I don't know. I'm not a PUA and I'm probably not an Alpha. I would estimate myself to be more of a Beta Prime. Also, I don't believe in hitting on waitresses and such - shitting where you eat so to speak. But at the end of the day, not making a pick up attempt will result in nothing.

 

[Philhelm]

is it possible for an alpha guy to be intimidated by a beta guy? what if the beta guy is making the females laugh and the alpha guy just can't mentally keep up? is that possible?

Sometimes Alphaness can be situational. You throw Johnny Football Hero into a research and development lab, and suddenly he's the Beta Bitch. At least to an extent, since he would still have Alpha traits presumably, but he wouldn't have much standing in the new hierarchy.

 

[ghengis86]

Not all men.

For procreation, I think this is mostly true though; men want the best, most physically attractive women capable for producing offspring.

For conquest, sometimes it holds true, sometimes no (nailing the cougar or older vixen).

For partnership, you're probably right.

 

[Antischism]

Referring to men as "alpha" and "beta" always makes me laugh. The terms are so nebulous it's pointless to use either. There's also a lot of nuance that's absent in the generalizations being made. I would posit that "negging" only works on women who are used to being overly complimented or sought after because chances are they normally receive tons of compliments, therefore it's counterintuitive to do the opposite and position yourself in a way that contrasts against those other guys and keeps you from looking like an ass kisser. However, that this works, is simply due to the novelty that is quickly fading as this "PUA culture" becomes saturated. It'll become easier for women to pick up on it and devalue someone socially who's trying what the other asshole did before him. Too much emphasis is put on "negging" as if it's the end-all of attraction. You don't have to do this to be attractive. However, you can be playful with how you word things and what you say. You can tell a girl you hate her while simultaneously giving her a quick hug or stating it in a specific tone. Like I stated earlier, just act like you would with your friends. None of this bullshit is necessary nor are pseudo-psychological "tricks" that any dude can learn. Maybe it helps those who are inexperienced and frustrated with their love lives as a framework of some sort, but ultimately, it's meaningless if you can't improve yourself and naturally learn how to conduct yourself in social situations. Essentially what a lot of "PUAs" teach is a pyramid scheme to get women into bed for the night. Sure, some will respond to it just like people fall for pyramid schemes, but it's still a morally shitty thing to do.

Another thing that's being overlooked is these tactics, by far, are most successful in bars and clubs where women are more likely to want to hook up or meet people. Again, it's less about a technique and more about knowing how to deal with different social situations and ridding yourself of outcome dependence, which in turn leads to confidence (which is attractive). A confident person isn't going to call a girl dozens of times after meeting up, nag her, beg her for sex, show neediness, jealousy or mistreat her/lie to her. A confident person doesn't need to be controlling. That a lot of these tactics work is more a symptom of society's emphasis on enforcing gender roles. Guys complain about women not taking initiative and being passive, but it's the very patriarchy they apparently want to uphold that has made it so.


Edit:

It's ridiculous that I have to state this, but all of this information is coming from a guy who has had a lot of experience reading up on and studying this topic, both online and in various venues. I'm pretty poor and have had no trouble being in long, fulfilling relationships with good, attractive, "socially dominant" women with high paying jobs. I certainly don't speak from lack of experience. I've seen how the "social hierarchy" functions and how warped it can be. I've spoken to tons of women about this subject and gotten a pretty good idea in that regard, too. I've even had jealous guys while out at restaurants openly attack me because I apparently didn't look "rich" enough to be out and about with an attractive woman and her equally attractive friends. It's ridiculous. I can see why some guys become bitter and turn to the PUA stuff, but unfortunately, there's a lot of bullshit out there and it's largely unnecessary.

 

[Philhelm]

Not all men.

If you need to state that, then you do not understand generalizations. Obviously outlier folks such as nuns, chubby-chasers, and homosexuals don't count. I would imagine that around at least 95% of men want a woman that is young, pretty, and sexually available.

 

[ghengis86]

Sometimes Alphaness can be situational. You throw Johnny Football Hero into a research and development lab, and suddenly he's the Beta Bitch. At least to an extent, since he would still have Alpha traits presumably, but he wouldn't have much standing in the new hierarchy.

Right, I could see Johnny Footbal being beta to the Engineer Extroadinaire if the local she-pack is selecting against testosterone and for brains. But invariably, so of the she-pack will be attracted to Johnny Football and won't know why

 

[ghengis86]

If you need to state that, then you do not understand generalizations. Obviously outlier folks such as nuns, chubby-chasers, and homosexuals don't count. I would imagine that around at least 95% of men want a woman that is young, pretty, and sexually available.

But what about the older, married hottie with the body?! I know plenty of guys that were speaking of the aforementioned type, saying "I'd hit it"

 

[specsaregood]

I don't know. I'm not a PUA and I'm probably not an Alpha. I would estimate myself to be more of a Beta Prime. Also, I don't believe in hitting on waitresses and such - shitting where you eat so to speak. But at the end of the day, not making a pick up attempt will result in nothing.

Back in the .com days and I was much younger and making hordes of money, I'd pull out a pay stub and ask them to write their name/number down on it. Good times, worked well on Walmart girls.

 

[Philhelm]

Right, I could see Johnny Footbal being beta to the Engineer Extroadinaire if the local she-pack is selecting against testosterone and for brains. But invariably, so of the she-pack will be attracted to Johnny Football and won't know why

In my example, the Alphaness would be asexual. Even Nerdy Nadine would peek up from her microscope to stare at Johnny.

 

[trey4sports]

I'm diggin' this thread.

 

[LibForestPaul]

I'll chime in, since dating...
1) Looks count initially.
2) Confidence counts secondarily.
3) PUA skills are true and work:
a) I dislike negging.
b) You will be constantly tested for weaknesses.
c) Need to lose yourself in the moment and the lose the voices in your mind holding you back. (In general as well.)
4) You have to have enough confidence to through a 10 away. If you don't, she will know, and you are fucked.
5) South American men, enough said. No feminism here. Plenty of sex..

 

[pessimist]

Johnny Football (hero)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNc45FTenhg

And if you see Johnny football hero in the hall
Tell him he played a great game
Tell him you like his article in the newspaper

I'm the party star
I'm popular
I've got my own car
I'm popular
I'll never get caught
I'm popular
I make football bets
I'm a teachers pet.

 

[Philhelm]

But what about the older, married hottie with the body?! I know plenty of guys that were speaking of the aforementioned type, saying "I'd hit it"

Well, sure, an attractive woman is an attractive woman. But that same woman was most likely more attractive when she was 10 - 20 years younger. An older woman is fine for a flavor of the week, and for some men it might be a choice of sleeping with a young fatty or an older woman that is mostly attractive.

 

[ghengis86]

In my example, the Alphaness would be asexual. Even Nerdy Nadine would peek up from her microscope to stare at Johnny.

I knew a Nadine once. She was georgeous.

 

[Philhelm]

I knew a Nadine once. She was georgeous.

I did too. She was really cute and under 5'0".

 

[specsaregood]

I just want to interject into this thread. Michael Phelps, you poor bastard.

 

[ghengis86]

Back in the .com days and I was much younger and making hordes of money, I'd pull out a pay stub and ask them to write their name/number down on it. Good times, worked well on Walmart girls.

Hahaha! What a douche you were! Loads of money and picking up Walmart girls?! This is awesome! I bet you got tons of ass though!

 

[ghengis86]

I'll chime in, since dating...
1) Looks count initially.
2) Confidence counts secondarily.
3) PUA skills are true and work:
a) I dislike negging.
b) You will be constantly tested for weaknesses.
c) Need to lose yourself in the moment and the lose the voices in your mind holding you back. (In general as well.)
4) You have to have enough confidence to through a 10 away. If you don't, she will know, and you are fucked.
5) South American men, enough said. No feminism here. Plenty of sex..

4) You have to have enough confidence to through a 10 away. If you don't, she will know, and you are fucked.

QFT - I owe you rep

ETA: a very Alpha trait too. Because you know another 10 can be had