Dating coach banned from several countries after internet feminist outrage over misogynist vid

[parocks]

Sounds about right. It definitely sums up my situation, except I don't even try anymore so therefore I wouldn't be likely to turn to PUA materials, and hoping for any form of intimacy now is like hoping my blood pressure will ever again read a diastolic of less than 90. Then again, you say lack of sex leads to anxiety so it sounds like I'm in some sort of unfortunate loop.

You can get your blood pressure down. There's natural stuff for that.

 

[parocks]

Dude, you're 28 and talking like this? The world is your oyster. If you guys on here don't stop this talk all the time, then I am going to have my wife log into my account and talk with some of you. She will matchmake you with one of my many nieces overseas. Now, don't make me do that because she does not even know my user name here. But, if one you guys would seriously get together with one of my nieces, then I could use some help paying the bills.

Now, let me tell you. Women are women everywhere, so don't forget it. But, I think you'd have a better shot with a Filipino. My in-laws are much more acquainted and familiar with freedom than most Americans will ever taste in a lifetime. My wife got into it with 6 other co-workers at one time. Around election time. Her co-worker asks the usual dipshit question of whether my wife is a Repub-tard or a demo-libtard. She told her co-workers that she's libertarian. Funny thing is--she couldn't care less about politics. Wants to be left alone, just like the people here. Imagine that--my dumbass bad attitude actually rubbed off on her. So then, she says to her co-workers, "Where is your freedom in America? Huh? Where is it?" Man, that made of couple of them pretty mad, but screw them. Hatin' on the dirty foreigner. lol

I'm gonna jump in here because it seems like I have actually had more experience than Nobody's Hero.

You mention a Filipino. This I think might work really well with any women who don't speak English very well.

I pretty grabbed a girl off the street who barely spoke English. Longest relationship I had.

I have no idea what's going on in their minds, but they don't have much to complain about or have their self-esteem hurt or whatever the problem might be, if they have no idea what you're saying. You can't have arguments, they can't complain, whatever the problem, if you barely can communicate.

When I was younger, the feminists explained all that life-partner best friend stuff. So, you might not think that someone who has no idea what you're saying is a good thing. And it really might not be, at all, but it does tend to work. Especially if you're much smarter, and women like to believe that they're smart, and I think they are smart enough to tell when they just aren't smarter.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

No, it isn't, that's the whole point and why a lot of people have one night stands... it allows you to step out of that zone of being obsessive over sex for a while. For me it's like being on a vacation for at least a month afterward.

There are plenty of women out there who don't want to find a committed relationship at the moment, they are having fun living life floating around and meeting lots of new people trying to find their place in the world.

Just because you have sex with somebody as a one night stand doesn't mean that you are necessarily hurting somebody's feelings. In fact, I think that experience can be relatively fulfilling in itself.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'm not arguing for traditional monogamy or celibacy, I'm arguing against the false dilemma. There's enough resources out there now that people should be able to realize there is a middle ground between no-strings-attached, random, anonymous sex and long-term committed monogamy. Fun is not the issue, I think it's fun to acquire a new lover and then keep in touch with them and demonstrate the affection and support that the sexual experience metaphorically means in the first place. To act otherwise is to imply that the sex means "nothing" or that "it's purely physical" which is total BS unless you're a necrophiliac.

Without getting too sappy, there is so much more to the sexual experience than just the physical feeling of genitals coming together. To experience a beautiful woman as "strange pussy" is like going up to the Mona Lisa and using it to scratch your elbow. Maybe it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings, but that doesn't mean it's not an absurd fail in the face of greater potential.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

I'm gonna jump in here because it seems like I have actually had more experience than Nobody's Hero.

You mention a Filipino. This I think might work really well with any women who don't speak English very well.

I pretty grabbed a girl off the street who barely spoke English. Longest relationship I had.

I have no idea what's going on in their minds, but they don't have much to complain about or have their self-esteem hurt or whatever the problem might be, if they have no idea what you're saying. You can't have arguments, they can't complain, whatever the problem, if you barely can communicate.

When I was younger, the feminists explained all that life-partner best friend stuff. So, you might not think that someone who has no idea what you're saying is a good thing. And it really might not be, at all, but it does tend to work. Especially if you're much smarter, and women like to believe that they're smart, and I think they are smart enough to tell when they just aren't smarter.

This is satire, right? If not...ugh.

 

[parocks]

I am fiercely opposed to this entire paradigm of relationship thinking. "My meaningful relationship provides me with a steady supply of sex." Like everything you do for someone is based around a separate commodity you receive and value selfishly in return. It's more honest to hire a prostitute than to think of your girlfriend that way.

Prostitutes are legal now? Sweet.

Next, fold all that into Obamacare.

Because Science

 

[willwash]

Fortunately there is a very easy way to determine who is right here, and one which has already been examined in this thread. That is whether the tactics of pickup artists actually work.

If anything Pessimist were saying were true, then the tactics employed by pickup artists would NOT work. The problem is, they do work, and not just on ugly or unconfident/self conscious women, but on bombshells (especially on bombshells, in fact).

The only real dichotomy in this thread is that, while everything Dannno has said is *politically* incorrect, it is in fact *objectively* correct.

I get it, Pessimist. I got the brainwashing too. I watched the same feelgood movies and TV shows when I was a kid, where the girl ditches the asshole and ends up with Mr. Right, who seemingly never tried too hard to hit on her, but somehow the "magic" just worked and they just naturally fell into each other's embrace. I remember being 10 or 11 and being angry with a male character any time he would approach a woman and talk to her. How dare you, jerk! Can't you see she is just trying to enjoy the beach in peace? Don't buy her a drink, you disgusting predator! Just leave her alone! Girls don't want to be preyed upon, they are waiting for their soulmate!

Unfortunately, that's just not how it works, though I (and Dannno, I think, though please correct me if I'm wrong) want that to be how it works soooooo badly. And you want that to be how it works too, as is evident from your musings in this thread. We actually agree on the principles. It's just on the actual reality where we part ways. You see, you actually believe that's how it *does* work, whereas I consult the science, and yes, it *is* science.

In virtually every mammalian species the sexual relationship between males and females is fundamentally (though to varying degrees) predatory in that a smaller number of the largest, strongest, most virile males monopolize all of the smaller, weaker, more docile females. This makes perfect sense for both sexes from an evolutionary standpoint, and these behavioral characteristics can actually be quantitatively analyzed because they correlate strongly with sexual dimorphism: the greater the size and strength disparity between the sexes, the greater the extent to which females are subjugated and males compete with each other with violence. One of the most extreme examples is lions, in which the females go out and hunt or tend to cubs all day while the one adult male, twice as large and capable of much greater ferocity, literally lies around doing nothing...until the male cubs reach puberty at which point he either expels them from the pride or kills them...or until a rival male shows up and threatens to take over the pride, resulting in a winner takes all fight. The females just watch and automatically mate with the winner of that fight. This can be contrasted at the other extreme with gibbons, which exhibit very little (essentially zero) sexual dimorphism, pair bond for life, and are, for the most part, equal partners in the division of labor.

Humans fall somewhere between lions and gibbons, though we are much closer to the latter. Male humans are larger and stronger, but not nearly by the same margin as with lions. We tend towards pair bonding, but males must still compete with each other for the highest quality mates by demonstrating the greatest ability to provide security and a high probability of reproductive success and offspring survival. The qualities which indicate this probability in males are seen as attractive by females. In human society this means wealth, physical strength, humor, and a dominant personality. Wealth, strength and dominance are obvious, but why is the funny guy so attractive? Because, invariably, he will endear himself to his fellow men and work his way to the top of his social ladder, opening up opportunities which correlate eventually to wealth and power. Being attracted to funny is an unconscious anticipation of that upward mobility.

Humans are no different than any other mammal species in this respect, except to say, like Dannno mentioned, we can use the power of our conscious mind and intelligence to overcome these primal instincts. The place to start is not to deny their existence, however.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

...this was prior to your hostile, condescending reply I was just being snarky about the preponderance of sexist/evangelical/weird guys who order their brides in the mail, often from the Philippines.

Geez, your words sound like something out of the 1940s. Seems the global world and telecommunications make American ethnocentric habits die hard. My wife tries some matchmaking because modern technology makes it possible. I've spent time in her country. We met and got married there. We live in the US for now because it's more practical. If you think intercultural relationships in this technological day & age are evangelical or weird, then I don't know what to tell you.

I guess I'm arguing for diversity...

You're not really selling me on diversity when you brand intercultural relationships as evangelical or weird.

I'm arguing for...thinking of women as individuals and not "odds,..."

Women are people. The process is the odds. You can wait for the girl to ask you out, or, you can take charge and ask her out. The math says your odds are better if you do the asking. I didn't make that up. It's just the way it is.

...she's got pointy shoulders and an angular face, and she's into smug dudes...

Yeah, I guess he really is so horribly smug in his 30 second video. He asks out a girl and gets her number in 20 seconds. That domineering pig should be kicked off campus.

You mistake my misanthropy...

The more you hate--the more you love.

 

[dannno]

while everything Dannno has said is *politically* incorrect, it is in fact *objectively* correct.

That is my SPECIALITY

Girls don't want to be preyed upon, they are waiting for their soulmate!

Unfortunately, that's just not how it works, though I (and Dannno, I think, though please correct me if I'm wrong) want that to be how it works soooooo badly. And you want that to be how it works too, as is evident from your musings in this thread. We actually agree on the principles. It's just on the actual reality where we part ways.

All correct.

Humans are no different than any other mammal species in this respect, except to say, like Dannno mentioned, we can use the power of our conscious mind and intelligence to overcome these primal instincts. The place to start is not to deny their existence, however.

For emphasis.

Also, when you train a dog to go against their primal instincts, are they using their conscious mind? Hmmm..

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Truly, the churchy moralists among us bear a lot of the responsibility for Tinder, etc, because for centuries they've painted a false dilemma -- be celibate until monogamous marriage, or be a guilty lowlife.

This centuries old practice is actually much wider than any church adherence. It wasn't simply a moral issue, but rather a cultural practice more in line with biology and natural rhythms. People generally got married at much younger ages until very recently. Our modern lifestyles of marrying late, ignoring biology, etc. has created the sexual angst that is often more dysfunctional than the centuries-of-old practices.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

A good deal of confusion could be cleared up around the word "relationship." Perhaps it would be better defined as a continuum, not a line in the sand.

Your contemporary continuums are what often cause the confusion. You belittle church morality that can align with biology and natural rhythms. You preach the secular, and then can't figure out why there is so much divorce. The secularism is as muddled as the feminism.

The notoriety, fascination, and business of the so-called "pick-up artists" of the world exist in the post-modern world of secularism and decades of feminism, but you try to blame it on a religious institution that has been fading for a long time.



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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You mention a Filipino. This I think might work really well with any women who don't speak English very well.

I pretty grabbed a girl off the street who barely spoke English. Longest relationship I had.

Glad that worked for you in the time you were together. I can see however, where it might be a problem. Just depends, I guess.

My wife speaks three languages fluently. English is an official Filipino language, but I was often odd man out with her and her family simply because of language.

 

[pessimist]

@ (i forget the name lol)


dude, i wasn't saying women go for that cheesy romance crap either. the guy that puts it on too thick will be transparently insincere and will be dismissed as a desperate loser to the average club hopper.

i’m not a 'nice' guy that placates women and tells them "what they want to hear". i am close to my mom, i have friendships with the opposite sex- i don't treat them purely as vaginas to fulfill my biological urges. this isn't a calculated attempt to try to "win them over" it's just who i am.

in real life, i'm not very social around strangers. in fact, many people find me "arrogant" because i am not a "social butterfly". i am far more open and social online.

if i had to choose between sitting around a table talking relationship dynamics with a bunch of middle aged women or discussing fantasy football or kate upton's tit size with a bunch of frat bros- i'd probably choose the middle aged women. i can't relate to the average guy at all.

however, i suck with pressure and dating. i could never walk up to a cashier and ask her for a date, but i could easily small talk her (if i had no romantic interest) and become friends.

my relationships spring from friendships. i have zero interest in trying to bang a hooters waitress, or a drunk college student, or harass some poor woman on the street using "pua" tactics. i'm just a weird dude.

 

[parocks]

lol @ this entire topic.

maybe i just have a twisted sense of humor but this entire thread is the funniest thing i have read in a long time. most of the people who participated in this thread are simply not normal human beings (including myself). average people simply do not talk, act, intellectualize, philosophize, moralize or viciously ridicule the subject matter in here.

no sane or reasonable person would believe that those tactics of pick up artists work on anyone other than street walkers, crack addicts, strippers, or an unconscious college student at a frat party. those tactics would get you arrested as they're harassment and assault.

i swear i must live on a different planet than most men. maybe i am a woman?

You have the attitude of the PC left. Your view is a more recent view. Younger people hold your view more often than older people.

I have no idea if you went to college or not, and if so, when, but this modern idea was being pushed on people in colleges a couple decades ago and probably still is.

Back then, most normal people thought it was crazy.

Look at the "culture wars" regarding feminism going back to the 70s.

Gays get married. That's insane. But I'd guess that you see nothing even questionable about that. If a man mutilates himself, takes hormones, and fills out paperwork, does he woman? Some people think that's possible. But it's insane.

So, a lot of truth, that Dannno and others seem to understand is shouted down basically by the same people who support gay marriage and sex change operations. You ever hear "all sex is rape"? Same people.

There is "what is true" - and Dannno has explained the evolutionary basis for it, which sounds like sociobiology.

There is "what some people want you to think is true" - they don't argue very well. They would just like you to believe, when is suits their argument - that men and women are the same, there are no innate difference. Unless it suits a different argument that women are in specific ways superior. They're the ones who came up with "gender is socially determined" which on its face is just wrong. There is a big, big suite of beliefs there.

 

[parocks]

Glad that worked for you in the time you were together. I can see however, where it might be a problem. Just depends, I guess.

My wife speaks three languages fluently. English is an official Filipino language, but I was often odd man out with her and her family simply because of language.

In my case it was Spanish, and it did kinda work out ok. I didn't quite appreciate it, because I was trained with the whole life-partner, friend, someone who understands what your saying type expectations.

My methodology for picking her up would almost certainly fall under the "wrong" category to some. Back before I gave up, just getting drunk and randomly grabbing girls and kissing them or whatever method it was that worked which I have long forgotten, was the method to get laid. And before I gave up I was somewhat successful with that. Back then, no one thought that the drunk guy grabs drunk girl was outside of the ordinary. But now, apparently, it's very bad. Whatever, I gave up a long time ago.

It's interesting the kind of breakthroughs these pick up scientists are making, and do find this interesting. I'm of the belief that it's more than dirty whores who respond to the techniques of the pick up scientist.

 

[parocks]

This centuries old practice is actually much wider than any church adherence. It wasn't simply a moral issue, but rather a cultural practice more in line with biology and natural rhythms. People generally got married at much younger ages until very recently. Our modern lifestyles of marrying late, ignoring biology, etc. has created the sexual angst that is often more dysfunctional than the centuries-of-old .

This sounds right. People want to get laid. In the old days, they got married young, wanting to get laid solution is found. Now, they don't get married young, so getting laid is a problem and there is no easy solution. In the 70s and 80s there was much more casual sex and there wasn't nearly as much whining about the kind of behavior of guys trying to get laid. Now, there's few early marriages and much whining about try to get laid behavior. And women go, well men just shouldn't worry about getting laid.

I would think that a politician could do quite well trying to get votes from men with a bunch of ideas that men would really like. Because the last 30 years have been one solid continuous push against men.

Science shows that men are healthier physically and mentally when they're getting laid all the time.

Doesn't it follow that sex should be a form of health care?

Politician for men says yes!

A lot of the anti-sex laws have as their foundation religion. And the argument is "I'd like a system where we can vote for the teenage girls who will be serving our sexual needs" vs "the Bible". And "the Bible" hasn't been winning these things.

If you want to argue that the Bible stops candy stripers / nurses from improving my health with sex, you have to recognize that we live a world were gays are getting married. So, the Bible had a stronger case against gay marriage than it does candy striper sex palaces.

The votes are there.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

Geez, your words sound like something out of the 1940s. Seems the global world and telecommunications make American ethnocentric habits die hard. My wife tries some matchmaking because modern technology makes it possible. I've spent time in her country. We met and got married there. We live in the US for now because it's more practical. If you think intercultural relationships in this technological day & age are evangelical or weird, then I don't know what to tell you.





You're not really selling me on diversity when you brand intercultural relationships as evangelical or weird.







Women are people. The process is the odds. You can wait for the girl to ask you out, or, you can take charge and ask her out. The math says your odds are better if you do the asking. I didn't make that up. It's just the way it is.






Yeah, I guess he really is so horribly smug in his 30 second video. He asks out a girl and gets her number in 20 seconds. That domineering pig should be kicked off campus.






The more you hate--the more you love.

Great job of arguing against sentence fragments, misrepresentations and so on.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

In my case it was Spanish, and it did kinda work out ok. I didn't quite appreciate it, because I was trained with the whole life-partner, friend, someone who understands what your saying type expectations.

My methodology for picking her up would almost certainly fall under the "wrong" category to some. Back before I gave up, just getting drunk and randomly grabbing girls and kissing them or whatever method it was that worked which I have long forgotten, was the method to get laid. And before I gave up I was somewhat successful with that. Back then, no one thought that the drunk guy grabs drunk girl was outside of the ordinary. But now, apparently, it's very bad. Whatever, I gave up a long time ago.

It's interesting the kind of breakthroughs these pick up scientists are making, and do find this interesting. I'm of the belief that it's more than dirty whores who respond to the techniques of the pick up scientist.

NCL, this guy seems to agree with you on everything. I think the defense rests. I must be a mail-order bride since I can't really understand what you're saying, but I didn't have any expectations.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Great job of arguing against sentence fragments, misrepresentations and so on.

Great job of rehashing 2nd year college humanistic abstractions without applying it to any real world concreteness.

I must be a mail-order bride since I can't really understand what you're saying, but I didn't have any expectations.

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just a pea-brained, religious yahoo who is responsible for creating the world's lowlifes.




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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I think the defense rests.

Aha; I knew it! You really do like that college girl in the video.

(I do agree with you that her blouse is unstylishly pointy.)

 

[jmdrake]

This centuries old practice is actually much wider than any church adherence. It wasn't simply a moral issue, but rather a cultural practice more in line with biology and natural rhythms. People generally got married at much younger ages until very recently. Our modern lifestyles of marrying late, ignoring biology, etc. has created the sexual angst that is often more dysfunctional than the centuries-of-old practices.

^This. Teen marriage has been replaced by teen pregnancy. And now women are freezing their eggs so they can "wait until their ready" to have kids. So eventually we'll have 60 year olds picking up their firstborn toddlers from daycare. Divorce is super high because women don't need men like they used to so they don't put up with as much as the used to. I represented a man who's wife divorced him because he snapped at her for nagging him about drinking. She drank just as much but she didn't want either of them drinking when her daughter was around for the weekend. There are new realities that cause new challenges and society by and large is clueless as to why.