Dating coach banned from several countries after internet feminist outrage over misogynist vid

[dannno]

Just curious where you got your time machine from, as you seem quite knowledgeable about ancient human behavior. Have you personally observed the behavior of people who lived 50,000 years ago? You are essentially implying current human behavior and social structure (the relations between the sexes) is the product of natural selection, but this presupposes that ancient behavior is analogous to modern behavior, and that natural selection is the only force that shaped our destinies. When your whole argument rests on something that is not directly observable, that is a problem. You cannot throw these claims out there and expect people to believe them with no evidence. It's not just common sense; it is something that has to be proven if you are to be taken seriously. The question remains, how are you able to prove that tribal social behavior is innate and not the product of their own culture?

You are using a fallacious argument when you take modern behavior, translate it into hunter-gatherer life and assert that the hunter-gatherers' behavior can somehow explain modern behavior, while taking as given the assumption that modern social relations are the product of natural selection. Of course your argument sounds good when you've managed to sneak its conclusion into its method. It's nothing but circular thinking.

Furthermore, even assuming we knew for sure how ancient humans interacted, it is scientifically shoddy to base thinking on analogies. And even if your reasoning were true, why are you being so deterministic? Humans have the capacity to change patterns of social thought, and so even if there were a biological basis for this behavior, it wouldn't consign us to having to tolerate it forever.

Poor argument, for one there is not a lot of evidence that we have evolved very far from our tribal ancestors from a biological standpoint. In fact, there are still people who live in tribes to this day and for the most part their ancestors have always been tribal. Do you think they are that much less evolved?

It took us tens of millions of years to evolve a certain way from what we were before and they are likely traits that females evolved to find sexually attractive from the apes or whatever we evolved from which was about 50 million years before that, and whatever they evolved from probably were attracted to other similar traits as well dating back I'm guessing hundreds of millions of years..

On top of that, since societies became larger, that doesn't mean these traits suddenly became completely obsolete as far as being a determining factor in whether a man could take care of his family. In fact these traits seem to make men successful in business and enterprise and strength has always been a strong attractor which helps with fending off attackers as well as manual labor. Of course these traits also show up in organized crime and gang culture in modern times.

Since we are no longer on the frontier, and while I admit cities can be a dangerous place to live, it seems that life today in many places is a bit safer than it used to be. Plus men and women have a multitude of ways in which they can support a family that do not require these traits, such as a computer programmer. So in many senses, these traits would seem to be less valuable today and don't often make up for the fact that the men who have them tend to treat their women more poorly and are less loyal. That is the complaint many men seem to have these days.

I've also discussed the fact that women can change what they are attracted to with their conscious thoughts extensively throughout this thread. I have altered my own base sexual attractions through life experiences. But that doesn't change what the base sexual attraction is to begin with, how it has the potential to always be able to affect somebody, etc.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Now you're getting it, except that while for the PUAs and some men it may be to boost their manliness and alpha male status a lot of men are simply looking for female intimacy and have difficulty obtaining it and attempt to use the knowledge to obtain said female affection. They are confused why they aren't receiving it and look to what women want - they find out what women actually want in order to put out sex and most guys find out that women tend to put out when they are treated like shit and it completely mindfucks us. Men want to treat women nicely, but doing so just causes sexual frustration, anxiety and trauma so eventually many men cave and treat women in a way that will cause their base sex drive to kick in and lead to sex. Since this type of affection is required by most people especially those not addicted to dangerous pharmaceutical substances and since I have gone through similar experiences at various times in my life I can completely feel for these guys and understand why they intend on trying to obtain intimacy with females. That seems to be one of your major roadblocks.

Sounds about right. It definitely sums up my situation, except I don't even try anymore so therefore I wouldn't be likely to turn to PUA materials, and hoping for any form of intimacy now is like hoping my blood pressure will ever again read a diastolic of less than 90. Then again, you say lack of sex leads to anxiety so it sounds like I'm in some sort of unfortunate loop.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

Poor argument, for one there is not a lot of evidence that we have evolved very far from our tribal ancestors from a biological standpoint. In fact, there are still people who live in tribes to this day and for the most part their ancestors have always been tribal. Do you think they are that much less evolved?

It's you who is implying that tribal people are less evolved. Viewing today's tribes as remnants of an ancient past is a large part of much-discredited, nineteenth-century beliefs at the heart of racial anthropology. Racial anthropology suffers from many of the same flaws as your arguments. For one, why assume the lives of people in these tribes at all resemble those of ancient humans? They've had 50-100,000 years to develop, and no one would claim modern societies resemble the societies of even 10,000 years ago.

I'm not sure how anything else of what you've written refutes my point in any way, to be quite honest with you. I'm glad you are acknowledging the positive effects of today's culture. This is just speculation on my part, and I don't claim to speak for every woman when I say this, but I have found it fits my own experiences rather well - and that is that men who are "less loyal" don't really bother me that much. I think people greatly exaggerate the extent to which women complain about not being able to find "any good men." Today's culture offers incentives for women to be more focused on a career as a means of financial and social security rather than relationship(s) with men. Sex is relatively cheap nowadays, and a little heartache is a small price to pay for not being tied down with a husband and kids. I think a lot of people in my general age and educational group would agree with my assessment, but I'm not 100% sure.

My goal is to get you to see that it's a lot more complicated than what tribes supposedly did thousands of years ago, and how speculating on this behavior does not help explain modern social patterns.

I also think Antischism more accurately described the kind of men healthy women are attracted to. Men who behave monstrously do it to prey on women - the responsibility for their manipulative behavior lies solely on them. You cannot blame women who are being deceived for sending off signals that this sort of behavior works. That's the whole idea behind emotional manipulation - to lay the blame at the feet of the abused rather than the abuser.

 

[pessimist]

Sounds about right. It definitely sums up my situation, except I don't even try anymore so therefore I wouldn't be likely to turn to PUA materials, and hoping for any form of intimacy now is like hoping my blood pressure will ever again read a diastolic of less than 90. Then again, you say lack of sex leads to anxiety so it sounds like I'm in some sort of unfortunate loop.

After much contemplation I have decided to become an Alpha male. After acquiring the ancient arcane knowledge given to me by the Pick Up Artists- I have decided to use that science to appeal to the base sexual instincts of the Woman.

Who is this woman? She is a vagina. A vagina that becomes moist and wet and aches for violent male aggression. This whiff of testosterone overwhelms her. She feels it all throughout her body, but especially in her loins. The burning, insatiable desire to have mad passionate, animalistic sex with this macho physical beast that wants to dominate her, violate her, humiliate her. She knows she must resist the temptation, but she can’t. Her vagina is dripping wet, her estrogenic impulses destroy all her reasoning ability- she wants to be controlled.

Thank you PUAs for all you have done for we men. Thank you!

 

[nobody's_hero]

I grew up in a very similar environment to you, my parents were religious, they were also older, and were very much equal partners and got along relatively well.

I grew up thinking just like you, women don't want to be dominated, they want a nice guy, they want a best friend first.

What I learned later, from seeing the reality of the situation and how women reacted was the opposite, and it was a bit traumatizing..

I'm just catching up on some of these posts and I have to wonder if we were perhaps separated at birth, except my parents were divorced early on, so maybe not so religious.

 

[pessimist]

I rest my case from a few pages back.

Then again if his father was a cop, well, this one was probably doomed anyway.

The guy changed his name to WAR MACHINE. He's a psycho.

 

[nobody's_hero]

After much contemplation I have decided to become an Alpha male. After acquiring the ancient arcane knowledge given to me by the Pick Up Artists. I have decided to use that science to appeal to the base sexual instincts of the Woman.

Who is this woman? She is a vagina. A vagina that becomes moist and wet and aches for violent male aggression. This whiff of testosterone overwhelms her. She feels it all throughout her body, but especially in her loins. The burning, insatiable desire to have mad passionate, animalistic sex with this macho physical beast that wants to dominate her, violate her, humiliate her. She knows she must resist the temptation, but she can’t. Her vagina is dripping wet, her estrogenic impulses destroy all her reasoning ability- she wants to be controlled.

Thank you PUAs for all you have done for we men. Thank you!

Irony is that you think you're being sarcastic.

For what it's worth pessimist, hold on to your optimism for as long as you can. I was probably 22 or so when I became jaded. My buds were out ****ing women and I kept waiting for 'the one' to come along. 6 years later and I'm sitting in a house that I own (or the bank does until I pay that mortgage, and the gov't will always own it since we have property taxes in my state), renting a room out to my mother 'cause I moved this year and couldn't bear the thought of her living in a cardboard trailer home this winter. I'm going to work 36 hours out of the week, and coming home for the rest of the week and contemplating the emptiness of my social life when I allow myself to think about it too much.

Oddly enough, my old pals who followed their penises are married and have families of their own. I'm the one who apparently was 'raised right' and have nothing to show for it [when it comes to interpersonal relations].

Of course, as I said in an earlier post, I was raised by my mother.

Hail feminism!

 

[pessimist]

Irony is that you think you're being sarcastic.

A little too ironic?

Pattern seeking brain:

 

[pessimist]

For what it's worth pessimist, hold on to your optimism for as long as you can. I was probably 22 or so when I became jade

"hang onto your optimism, pessimist"

My buds were out ****ing women and I kept waiting for 'the one' to come along. 6 years later and I'm sitting in a house that I own (or the bank does until I pay that mortgage, and the gov't will always own it since we have property taxes in my state), renting a room out to my mother 'cause I moved this year and couldn't bear the thought of her living in a cardboard trailer home this winter. I'm going to work 36 hours out of the week, and coming home for the rest of the week and contemplating the emptiness of my social life when I allow myself to think about it too much.


Oddly enough, my old pals who followed their penises are married and have families of their own. I'm the one who apparently was 'raised right' and have nothing to show for it [when it comes to interpersonal relations].


Of course, as I said in an earlier post, I was raised by my mother.


Hail feminism!

Seriously though, I'm not understanding.

So the fact that you're discontented with your life and haven't found the right woman you blame feminism? You equate "bad boys" getting laid to "all girls grow up to marry bad boys".

Most of the people my age I know who are married were typical average suburbanites. They were normal kids who now live normal lives. The "bad boys" tended to date and impregnate trashy girls.

 

[nobody's_hero]

"hang onto your optimism, pessimist"



Seriously though, I'm not understanding.

So the fact that you're discontented with your life and haven't found the right woman you blame feminism? You equate "bad boys" getting laid to "all girls grow up to marry bad boys".

Most of the people my age I know who are married were typical average suburbanites. They were normal kids who now live normal lives. The "bad boys" tended to date and impregnate trashy girls.

I think you discounted sex as much as danno over-emphasized it (though, admittedly, I'm starting to think he may not be entirely off-base).

Women aren't likely to stay with a guy when there's no sex. Ditto for guys. But with women, they complain that sex is all guys think about. Hollaback even goes so far as to assume that 'cat-calling' the words "God Bless" to a girl on the sidewalk means he must be a serial rapist. You yourself have been so callous as to assume that someone must be a date-rapist based on their image. On the other hand, I've also learned that if girl finds out a guy is 28 and has only been on a handful of dates his whole life there must also be something "wrong" with him. It's a rigged game. No-wins. I don't play it anymore. Too old for that shit. Therefore, feminism, as it exists today, comes across to me as a bunch of immature women who do one thing and say another. [edit: for example: let me put on my tight-ass pants, and hope that no one notices me, "OMG that guy walked across the street in the same cross walk I did, where da police?"]

But, at times, I think there is something wrong with me: I listened to the wrong people. I listened to the 'pessimists' of the world when I should maybe have at least taken a few cliff notes from the Julien Blancs.

But, you got me. I do blame the women. Even my mother admits that it was probably not for the best that I was raised by a woman. But of course, that's impossible, because the ultra-feminists have already determined that women can do everything all by themselves, including raising boys to be men. Seriously, who else besides a clueless woman is filling that void? PUAs.

PUA's never appealed to me as role models but I absolutely DO NOT blame anyone who tries to emulate their tactics. They must work. If they didn't work, the market would have determined that PUAs find something else to write about (right RPF?).

The plus side is that my bitterness is sometimes, though rarely, mistaken for those particular 'asshole' qualities that many women, for some reason, find attractive. I can't explain that but it is a somewhat pleasant phenomenon that I acquired a few of those traits by accident.

 

[pessimist]

I think you discounted sex as much as danno over-emphasized it (though, admittedly, I'm starting to think he may not be entirely off-base).

Women aren't likely to stay with a guy when there's no sex. Ditto for guys. But with women, they complain that sex is all guys think about. Hollaback even goes so far as to assume that 'cat-calling' the words "God Bless" to a girl on the sidewalk means he must be a serial rapist. You yourself have been so callous as to assume that someone must be a date-rapist based on their image. On the other hand, I've also learned that if girl finds out a guy is 28 and has only been on a handful of dates his whole life there must also be something "wrong" with him. It's a rigged game. No-wins. I don't play it anymore. Too old for that shit.

But, at times, I think there is something wrong with me: I listened to the wrong people. I listened to the 'pessimists' of the world when I should maybe have at least taken a few cliff notes from the Julien Blancs.

But, you got me. I do blame the women. Even my mother admits that it was probably not for the best that I was raised by a woman. But of course, that's impossible, because the ultra-feminists have already determined that women can do everything all by themselves, including raising boys to be men. Seriously, who else besides a clueless woman is filling that void? PUAs.

PUA's never appealed to me as role models but I absolutely DO NOT blame anyone who tries to emulate their tactics. They must work. If they didn't work, the market would have determined that PUAs find something else to write about (right RPF?).

The plus side is that my bitterness is sometimes, though rarely, mistaken for those particular 'asshole' qualities that most women, for some reason, find attractive. I can't explain that but it is a somewhat pleasant phenomenon that I acquired a few of those traits by accident.

The cute chick that takes your order at Wendy's would probably have a more positive response to a witty remark than say a "hey bitch! what do you say I come back here when you get off work and you suck my big fat cock".

Or maybe I'm just crazy.

 

[Suzanimal]

You like Bertha, she's all woman.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The cute chick that takes your order at Wendy's would probably have a more positive response to a witty remark than say a "hey bitch! what do you say I come back here when you get off work and you suck my big fat cock".

Or maybe I'm just crazy.

Probably, I totally agree. That's a bit too much.

Now your turn:

What if it's a guy working the counter and a girl comes in with a shirt that fits a little snug and he happens to glance down at her chest while she places her order?

What a loser! He must be waiting for her to look away so he can slip a roofie in her drink!

(did I get that right?)

 

[Danke]

You like Bertha, she's all woman.

I posted that for AF.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

...28...It's a rigged game. No-wins. I don't play it anymore. Too old for that shit.


But, at times, I think there is something wrong with me: I listened to the wrong people. I listened to the 'pessimists' of the world when I should maybe have at least taken a few cliff notes from the Julien Blancs.

Dude, you're 28 and talking like this? The world is your oyster. If you guys on here don't stop this talk all the time, then I am going to have my wife log into my account and talk with some of you. She will matchmake you with one of my many nieces overseas. Now, don't make me do that because she does not even know my user name here. But, if one you guys would seriously get together with one of my nieces, then I could use some help paying the bills.

Now, let me tell you. Women are women everywhere, so don't forget it. But, I think you'd have a better shot with a Filipino. My in-laws are much more acquainted and familiar with freedom than most Americans will ever taste in a lifetime. My wife got into it with 6 other co-workers at one time. Around election time. Her co-worker asks the usual dipshit question of whether my wife is a Repub-tard or a demo-libtard. She told her co-workers that she's libertarian. Funny thing is--she couldn't care less about politics. Wants to be left alone, just like the people here. Imagine that--my dumbass bad attitude actually rubbed off on her. So then, she says to her co-workers, "Where is your freedom in America? Huh? Where is it?" Man, that made of couple of them pretty mad, but screw them. Hatin' on the dirty foreigner. lol

 

[pessimist]

What if it's a guy working the counter and a girl comes in with a shirt that fits a little snug and he happens to glance down at her chest while she places her order?

What a loser! He must be waiting for her to look away so he can slip a roofie in her drink!

(did I get that right?)

Not at all. A woman who walks around with her breasts hanging out wants the attention.

The PUA videos I watched, if they weren't outright hilariously immature, were borderline predatory. Walking up to a woman on the street and being aggressive and vulgar is not a turn on for the vast majority of women. It just isn't. It's harassment, or in some cases even assault.

PUA's 'tactics' are purely about getting 'laid'. I have yet to see actual evidence of their success without chemicals or money, btw. You won't find a stable, meaningful relationship with those tactics.

 

[ghengis86]

Not at all. A woman who walks around with her breasts hanging out wants the attention.

The PUA videos I watched, if they weren't outright hilariously immature, were borderline predatory. Walking up to a woman on the street and being aggressive and vulgar is not a turn on for the vast majority of women. It just isn't. It's harassment, or in some cases even assault.

PUA's 'tactics' are purely about getting 'laid'. I have yet to see actual evidence of their success without chemicals or money, btw. You won't find a stable, meaningful relationship with those tactics.

You know what you get with a stable, meaningful relationship? A stable, constant supply of sex. If you're not, you're not doing something right.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

Actually I think you're completely wrong, he gets so much tail I doubt he ever uses any type of physical coercion to get sex. In fact he probably turns down sex all the time just because he can. If you can easily get 20 women to sleep with you in a day if you really try, this is pretty easy to do. I've seen these guys pick up women in public places, they are all over him after they say fucked up things to them, I don't think this whole "implicit threat of violence" has any grounds at all on how he gets what he gets, at least in none of the cases I've witnessed.

As far as his tinder comments being all over the place, I explained that earlier. When a girl can't peg you and is trying to figure you out if you have her confused she can't stop focusing on you and that means you probably win if you play it right.

I think it's a more dynamic issue than how you're painting it. Yes, the world is full of women who feel more comfortable with sleazy guys. Sadly most people would rather be comfortable than happy. So I have no doubt that your friend has no trouble picking up women by acting like a jerk.

But most of us are born & raised to be skeptical. I know a lot of people who just have a hard time finding kindness to be sincere. If you act like a jerk (this goes for platonic or same-sex relationships of either gender) it can read as more honest.

It's true that lot of the rationalizations for hooking up with unsavory people tend to fall in the false dilemma category. "I don't want a man who kisses my ass all the time," a girl might say, not acknowledging that there's a middle ground between "suck my dick, bitch" and "hey stranger, can I clean your toilet?"

But the question is, would you be attracted to a masochistic woman who actually craves disrespect and abuse? If not, then your friend is not really in competition with you for the same pool of available mates.

Another factor is that girls do not want to have to tell a guy how to behave. They will wait for you to either act like the man they want, or move on. Once again the issue revolves around trust. If a female tells you "Act like x, y, and z and I'll find you more attractive" then how would she know if you're honestly making an effort to please her, or just playing along to try to bury your beak? I think this is where 90% of the tension between the sexes comes from. Women aren't necessarily acting fickle, mysterious and distant because they're evil. They're hoping the guy acts in a desirable manner without having to be told what to do.

So if women all started sleeping with kind, generous, sincere men, yes it would lead to a plurality of males dropping the macho schtick. But, it would also make it even tougher for non-masochistic females looking for guys who are actually nice for the right reasons, not just as another pick-up tactic. Most attractive women have probably had men putting on airs to try to cop a feel since they were 12 years old. It's hard to know what it's like without first-person perspective.

As an aside, I actually had a girl "neg" me in Denver recently while obviously flirting. It was sort of a turn-off. I don't get aroused from being insulted and I am skeptical of the character of those who do, but that's an unpopular stance to take so I don't usually bring it up. Negging is a pretty sleazy tactic because it preys on the insecurity of others.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

Dude, you're 28 and talking like this? The world is your oyster. If you guys on here don't stop this talk all the time, then I am going to have my wife log into my account and talk with some of you. She will matchmake you with one of my many nieces overseas. Now, don't make me do that because she does not even know my user name here. But, if one you guys would seriously get together with one of my nieces, then I could use some help paying the bills.

Now, let me tell you. Women are women everywhere, so don't forget it. But, I think you'd have a better shot with a Filipino. My in-laws are much more acquainted and familiar with freedom than most Americans will ever taste in a lifetime. My wife got into it with 6 other co-workers at one time. Around election time. Her co-worker asks the usual dipshit question of whether my wife is a Repub-tard or a demo-libtard. She told her co-workers that she's libertarian. Funny thing is--she couldn't care less about politics. Wants to be left alone, just like the people here. Imagine that--my dumbass bad attitude actually rubbed off on her. So then, she says to her co-workers, "Where is your freedom in America? Huh? Where is it?" Man, that made of couple of them pretty mad, but screw them. Hatin' on the dirty foreigner. lol

I sure wouldn't offer up any of my nieces to someone taking cliff-notes from Julien Blanc.

And to suggest "a Filipino" to a guy who talks that way is just irresponsible.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

You know what you get with a stable, meaningful relationship? A stable, constant supply of sex. If you're not, you're not doing something right.

I am fiercely opposed to this entire paradigm of relationship thinking. "My meaningful relationship provides me with a steady supply of sex." Like everything you do for someone is based around a separate commodity you receive and value selfishly in return. It's more honest to hire a prostitute than to think of your girlfriend that way.