Dakota Accees Pipeline Protests: woman's arm blown off by grenade

[phill4paul]

There's lots of white folk protesting there. We know because the MSM ain't covering it.

Yes, there are. Many folks from differing nationalities, cultures, socio-economic divides. The meme shit the elites try to push aren't cutting it. I've engaged several social media contacts on this regard. They re-posted a meme talking about the shit that is going down at #nodapl and saying that the Bundy's got away with everything because they had guns. I pointed out that the Bundy's didn't get away with it. That the Bundy group never fired a single shot. And yet one of their members died. THAT has not happened at #nodapl. Yet.

 

[Dr.3D]

That treaty came before statehood. So a question I have is was that treaty overridden during the state admission to the United States? The Enabling Act of 1889 appears to indicate the following:

"all lands lying within said limits owned or held by any Indian or Indian tribes; and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States, and said Indian lands shall remain under the absolute jurisdiction and control of the Congress of the United States"

http://leg.wa.gov/History/State/Pages/enabling.aspx

This section is also acknowledged in the North Dakota state constitution.

So everything was null and void just because the Native Americans didn't know about Statehood?
Do you suppose the Native Americans knew that would happen when they signed the treaty?
Sounds like a sneaky way of stealing land. Just a bit of legal juggling.

Now those Native Americans will know to get an attorney whenever they sign something.

 

[angelatc]

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/23/really-injured-sophia-wilansky/

Apparently she may have been building a bomb using a propane tank.

 

[devil21]

But of course she was. There's no use for small propane tanks other than to make bombs. Can't hook them up to lanterns, portable cookstoves, heaters and other things needed for living in the middle of a friggin' field during a long term protest. Must be bombs, for real.

 

[angelatc]

But of course she was. There's no use for small propane tanks other than to make bombs. Can't hook them up to lanterns, portable cookstoves, heaters and other things needed for living in the middle of a friggin' field during a long term protest. Must be bombs, for real.

The article doesn't talk about an explosion in the area where the protesters retreat to during their off hours.

 

[phill4paul]

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/23/really-injured-sophia-wilansky/

Apparently she may have been building a bomb using a propane tank.

Forensic evidence should prove things out. None of those propane containers have exploded in a manner to send shrapnel. They just look like fire damaged propane cylinders. If they were being used as IEDs there would have been other components. And why would a protesters be using IEDs when the leaders won't even allow them to arm themselves? Why build a bomb in the middle of a protest instead of building it before hand in a safe location? This explanation doesn't add up for me. But, I suppose, it is possible.

 

[angelatc]

Forensic evidence should prove things out. None of those propane containers have exploded in a manner to send shrapnel. They just look like fire damaged propane cylinders. If they were being used as IEDs there would have been other components. And why would a protesters be using IEDs when the leaders won't even allow them to arm themselves? Why build a bomb in the middle of a protest instead of building it before hand in a safe location? This explanation doesn't add up for me. But, I suppose, it is possible.

Maybe they were trying to detonate it, not build it?

There's a follow up here, which I found notable only for the fact that it mentions that no major media outlet questioned the narrative of the protestors. #FakeNews

 

[phill4paul]

Again, there are already other pipelines in this region. I have not yet seen any argument that explains why this particular pipeline will fail and poison the reservation's water when all the others do not.

From 2013...

Massive oil pipeline break under N.D. farmer's wheat field

North Dakota farmer who discovered an oil spill the size of seven football fields while out harvesting wheat says that when he found it, crude was bubbling up out of the ground.

Farmer Steve Jensen says he smelled the crude for days before the tires on his combines were coated in it. At the apparent break in the Tesoro Corp.'s underground pipeline, the oil was "spewing and bubbling six inches high," he said in a telephone interview Thursday.

What Jensen had found on Sept. 29 turned out it was one of the largest spills recorded in the state. At 20,600 barrels it was four times the size of a pipeline rupture in late March that forced the evacuation of more than 20 homes in Arkansas.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/massive-oil-pipeline-break-under-nd-farmers-wheat-field/

 

[phill4paul]

Maybe they were trying to detonate it, not build it?

There's a follow up here, which I found notable only for the fact that it mentions that no major media outlet questioned the narrative of the protestors. #FakeNews

Again, it's possible. I just don't see it as likely. The elders are adamant about there being no firearms so it would seem that they would be adamant about bombs. Not saying that certain elements there wouldn't use them. Or that planted elements might use them to discredit the protesters. I suppose that if some forensics are done we will see, depending on who does the forensics.

 

[angelatc]

Again, it's possible. I just don't see it as likely. The elders are adamant about there being no firearms so it would seem that they would be adamant about bombs. Not saying that certain elements there wouldn't use them. Or that planted elements might use them to discredit the protesters. I suppose that if some forensics are done we will see, depending on who does the forensics.

With a name like Sophia Wilansky, I am guessing she isn't a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Indian. She is either an imported professional protestor or an agent provocateur.

 

[angelatc]

From 2013...


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/massive-oil-pipeline-break-under-nd-farmers-wheat-field/

Which caused much less damage than if it was say, in the Bismarck water supply. Nobody ever said that oil spills do not happen. Moving oil underground is the safest, most efficient, least expensive solution.

You can't go through life as a libertarian insisting that nothing bad should ever happen to anyone. That's not how libertarianism works.

 

[angelatc]

The company reached a settlement with the landowners, and had people working literally around the clock to fix the damage....a process which took YEARS.

http://www.inforum.com/news/3848193...-oil-spill-dirty-pile-still-dwarfs-clean-pile

(Mrs. Steve) Jensen keeps close tabs on the cleanup site, where the motto is "As long as Miss Patty's happy, everyone's happy." She brings the workers homemade pie and they keep the office Keurig coffee maker stocked for her.

"The relationship between Tesoro and their consultants and subcontractors and the landowners is one of the best I've ever dealt with," Suess said. "That goes a long way to make this a smooth-running project."

The company declined to comment on a potential end date for the cleanup, which has become part of the Jensens' lives since Steve discovered the spill while harvesting on Sept. 29, 2013. Both the Jensens and health officials say Tesoro Logistics has been dedicated to restoring the land.

This is libertarian utopia, right here. There's pie!

 

[otherone]

Again, there are already other pipelines in this region. I have not yet seen any argument that explains why this particular pipeline will fail and poison the reservation's water when all the others do not.

I'm surprised the good people of Bismarck don't welcome the pipeline. Seems like the only logical solution. White folk don't mind it.

 

[angelatc]

I'm surprised the good people of Bismarck don't welcome the pipeline. Seems like the only logical solution.

So you don't actually have an answer to the question, which I will restate in what is undoubtedly a futile effort to advance the conversation.

There are already 10 other pipelines underground here. Why will this one in particular fail and poison the reservation's water while the other 10 do not?

 

[otherone]

So you don't actually have an answer to the question, which I will restate in what is undoubtedly a futile effort to advance the conversation.

There are already 10 other pipelines underground here. Why will this one in particular fail and poison the reservation's water while the other 10 do not?

Wasn't attempting to answer your question. Just asking why the original plan was nixed.

 

[Danke]

The Facts About the Dakota Access Pipeline That Protesters Don’t Want You to Know

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/17/t...peline-that-protesters-dont-want-you-to-know/

 

[angelatc]

Wasn't attempting to answer your question. Just asking why the original plan was nixed.

Ah. That was answered already. The new route is shorter, it crosses a lot less roads and wetlands, and is farther away from the Bismarck wellheads. So it's more efficient.

Also, the oil company is moving the reservation's wellheads, so they will also be upstream of the pipeline. Even though 10 other pipelines are currently in place, "endangering" the reservation's water supply.

 

[otherone]

Ah. That was answered already. The new route is shorter, it crosses a lot less roads and wetlands, and is farther away from the Bismarck wellheads. So it's more efficient.

Also, the oil company is moving the reservation's wellheads, so they will also be upstream of the pipeline. Even though 10 other pipelines are currently in place, "endangering" the reservation's water supply.

My comment was in response to the map. Can't see how a pipeline viewed as a threat in one area isn't a threat in another. I also pay attention to what the MSM and left websites choose not to cover. Salon.com, for instance, has one article on their main page IRT the pipeline...predictable, how Trump is involved. Unlike Occupy and #Nevertrump, this is not receiving traction. I do not know why.

 

[otherone]

The Facts About the Dakota Access Pipeline That Protesters Don’t Want You to Know

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/17/t...peline-that-protesters-dont-want-you-to-know/

from the article:
The original pipeline was always planned for south of Bismarck, despite false claims that it was originally planned for north of Bismarck and later moved, thus creating a greater environmental danger to the Standing Rock Sioux.

The real reasons for not pursuing the northern route were that the pipeline would have affected an additional 165 acres of land, 48 extra miles of previously undisturbed field areas, and an additional 33 waterbodies.

It would also have crossed zones marked by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration as “high consequence” areas, and would have been 11 miles longer than the preferred and current route.

these comments are conflicting.

 

[angelatc]

My comment was in response to the map. Can't see how a pipeline viewed as a threat in one area isn't a threat in another.

Well that's sort of a strawman. There's risk in everything. Minimizing risk while lowering cost is the whole game. If you think that it's possible to transport fuel with zero risk, then I don't know how to begin to address your concerns.