Dakota Accees Pipeline Protests: woman's arm blown off by grenade

[angelatc]

And I'm going to say that the main reason it was moved was because those that are richer on an economic and political scale took a "not in my back yard" stance. Given that the native Americans do not have this economic and political power then it does become about race. Whether you want it to be or not.

Well, that's an opinion. But the people moving the pipeline put out what seem to be facts. We can clearly see that the revised route is indeed shorter. I think it is an accepted talking point that the well heads servicing Bismarck are now upstream of the pipeline as well. A quick peek at Google maps shows a lot more roads up north. I'm not able to quickly locate any information about wetlands. BUt that's 3 out of 4.

Again, there are already other pipelines in this region. I have not yet seen any argument that explains why this particular pipeline will fail and poison the reservation's water when all the others do not.

IN the meantime, the whole "community property" thing is communism. It never works in the long term. The sooner al property becomes private, the better off we are.

 

[Ender]

Well, that's an opinion. But the people moving the pipeline put out what seem to be facts. We can clearly see that the revised route is indeed shorter. I think it is an accepted talking point that the well heads servicing Bismarck are now upstream of the pipeline as well. A quick peek at Google maps shows a lot more roads up north. I'm not able to quickly locate any information about wetlands. BUt that's 3 out of 4.

Again, there are already other pipelines in this region. I have not yet seen any argument that explains why this particular pipeline will fail and poison the reservation's water when all the others do not.

IN the meantime, the whole "community property" thing is communism. It never works in the long term. The sooner al property becomes private, the better off we are.

Is this land private land?

Yes.

And that's the only answer that is relevant.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's just what the people attacking them would love to see. It would give them an excuse to slaughter them.

Disagree.

That is the only time the fuckers tend to hang back and think first, when faced with a well armed and resolute group.

 

[Occam's Banana]

these guys could use some guns...

IIRC, the Oath Keepers offered to join them, but the offer was declined because they didn't want people with guns around ...

ETA: From thread http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503012-Where-Are-The-Oath-Keepers-Now

With everything that's going on with the suppression of the pipeline protesters, I cannot help but wonder where the Oath Keepers are.

via fedbook

Oath Keepers The Tribe has requested that we do not get involved as an org,
and they have a strict policy of no weapons.
We respect their wishes, their sovereignty, and their right to fight their fight their way.
Should their position change and they invite us out there, we would respond.

10/28/2016

 

[jonhowe]

Of course it's about race. How "privileged" of me not to see it.

Seriously, like I said, the other map shows different lines. It was my understanding that the treaty of 1851 had been superseded bu more current treaties, due at least in part to Indian on Indian aggression. Wikipedia would seem to confirm this.

This is one of the most naive things I've seen on this forum. The treaty is "superseded", I spit out some coffee I laughed so hard.

These weren't revisions made willingly by the natives. These aren't agreements made by equal partners. These "agreements" are dictates by the Federal Government against the actual possessors of the land. Yes, 150 years ago, but that doesn't really make much of a difference.

The very idea of "indian aggression"... I dont even know what to say. White settlers nearly wiped out the actual inhabitants of the entire continent, both through deliberate action and through unintentional germ warfare. White settlers made and reneged on treaties with the natives, slowly but surely cheating them out of their land and onto tiny, barren reservations. Settlers took their lands, forced them into reservations, and never paid what they owed, and then blamed it on "indian aggression" when the natives resorted to violence in their fight for freedom. It's shocking to see this kind of revisionist statist history being spread on this forum.


Edit: Since you suggested wikipedia would support your claim...

"The United States and Dakota leaders negotiated the Treaty of Traverse des Sioux[5] on July 23, 1851, and Treaty of Mendota on August 5, 1851, by which the Dakota ceded large tracts of land in Minnesota Territory to the U.S. In exchange for promises of money and goods. From that time on, the Dakota were to live on a 20-mile (32 km) wide Indian reservation centered on a 150 mile (240 km) stretch of the upper Minnesota River.
However, the United States Senate deleted Article 3 of each treaty, which set out reservations, during the ratification process. Much of the promised compensation never arrived, was lost, or was effectively stolen due to corruption in the Bureau of Indian Affairs (then called the Office of Indian Affairs). Also, annuity payments guaranteed to the Dakota often were provided directly to traders instead (to pay off debts which the Dakota incurred with the traders)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862

 

[phill4paul]

IIRC, the Oath Keepers offered to join them, but the offer was declined because they didn't want people with guns around ...

ETA: From thread http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503012-Where-Are-The-Oath-Keepers-Now

Personally I think they should have accepted that offer. The protesters could have continued practicing peaceful disobedience under the protection of the OK. Unfortunately, a young woman had to lose her arm. I have a feeling that reporting on this will now pick up steam because of it. I think the protesters WANTED the authorities to act in this manner to raise awareness much like the peaceful civil rights era protests. The state will ALWAYS overplay it's hand when confronted by peaceful protest.

 

[jmdrake]

From what I understand, they are Native Americans, protesting the pipeline going through their land.

Oh. I remember seeing people organizing for that protest online prior to the election.

 

[jonhowe]

Oh. I remember seeing people organizing for that protest online prior to the election.

Yes. This has been going on for months.

 

[Dr.3D]

Personally I think they should have accepted that offer. The protesters could have continued practicing peaceful disobedience under the protection of the OK. Unfortunately, a young woman had to lose her arm. I have a feeling that reporting on this will now pick up steam because of it. I think the protesters WANTED the authorities to act in this manner to raise awareness much like the peaceful civil rights era protests. The state will ALWAYS overplay it's hand when confronted by peaceful protest.

Sure wouldn't hurt anything if a few thousand peaceful Oath Keepers were there to keep the peace.

 

[jonhowe]

Sure wouldn't hurt anything if a few thousand peaceful Oath Keepers were there to keep the peace.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...g-standing-rock-defend-dapl-protesters-police

Hundreds Of Veterans Heading To Standing Rock To Defend DAPL Protesters From Police

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“Come to Standing Rock Indian Reservation and hold the line with Wes Clark jr, Michael Wood Jr, Tulsi Gabbard and hundreds of other veterans in support of the Sioux nation against the DAPL pipeline. Bring Body armor, gas masks, earplugs AND shooting mufflers (we may be facing a sound cannon) but no drugs, alcohol or weapons.”

 

[presence]

IN the meantime, the whole "community property" thing is communism. It never works in the long term. The sooner al property becomes private, the better off we are.

thats really impossible.
property rights that extend beyond use:
10,000 feet deep; the top of the highest mountains; antarctica; the furthest stars and the center of the sun, etc.
will always be common; and there will always exist a frontier between what is common and what is privately held

what needs to go is PUBLIC property




Taking things a step further, I tend to lean market anarchist on private property; the State should not be in the title business; this should be a free market function... but that's a subject for another thread.

 

[devil21]

The federal corporation, United States (Inc.) lays claim to land solely to secure it as collateral for the banker's private debt issuance. Ron Paul was right, pretty much all that ails stems from the bankers.

This Standing Rock situation has the potential to escalate beyond a stand-off. One person on either side decides to squeeze off some hot ones and watch the hell out.

 

[phill4paul]

The federal corporation, United States (Inc.) lays claim to land solely to secure it as collateral for the banker's private debt issuance. Ron Paul was right, pretty much all that ails stems from the bankers.

This Standing Rock situation has the potential to escalate beyond a stand-off. One person on either side decides to squeeze off some hot ones and watch the hell out.

I think that is why the tribal leaders have called for a peaceful protest. One side has already "squeezed off some hot ones." A 21 yr. old lost her arm because of it. This should be all over the M$M. Just more fodder to continue to prove that M$M is all about the $$$.

 

[jonhowe]

I think that is why the tribal leaders have called for a peaceful protest. One side has already "squeezed off some hot ones." A 21 yr. old lost her arm because of it. This should be all over the M$M. Just more fodder to continue to prove that M$M is all about the $$$.

Exactly. They've done everything BUT shoot them. Spraying cold water on a freezing night is pretty damn brutal. The moment a protester pulls a gun...


That said, if they'd STARTED with guns, this shit wouldnt be going on.

 

[devil21]

I think that is why the tribal leaders have called for a peaceful protest. One side has already "squeezed off some hot ones." A 21 yr. old lost her arm because of it. This should be all over the M$M. Just more fodder to continue to prove that M$M is all about the $$$.

Yeah there's already been extreme provocations and it looks to be escalating. I doubt all the vets that show up will follow the advice to not bring any weapons however. I think the msm doesn't want to cover it at all because it's the feds being the asshats. Of course if any shots are fired they'll be all over it and blaming the protestors for starting it, while ignoring everything that has happened up until then.

 

[otherone]

That said, if they'd STARTED with guns, this $#@! wouldnt be going on.

yup.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Personally I think they should have accepted that offer.

So do I.

This should be all over the M$M. Just more fodder to continue to prove that M$M is all about the $$$.

I suspect another reason it isn't getting more coverage is that too many people might see the parallels between this and the Bundy Ranch standoff.

The US Dept. of Propaganda (aka, the MSM) can't risk the unwashed mundanes on the "left" and "right" realizing they have a much bigger enemy in common ...

 

[phill4paul]

I suspect another reason it isn't getting more coverage is that too many people might see the parallels between this and the Bundy Ranch standoff.

The US Dept. of Propaganda (aka, the MSM) can't risk the unwashed mundanes on the "left" and "right" realizing they have a much bigger enemy in common ...

They've already got the memes on social media out there. "If they were white and armed this wouldn't be happening." "This is what happens when you're not white."

It's a bunch of fucked up shit. The Bundy's asked the local tribe to come and secure their artifacts once the ran across them in ill storage. The tribe chose not to and instead sided with the BLM.

It's a shit show. Honestly, there is no better way to put it. The government(s), through misinformation and possible infiltration of every sect known in creation has created a situation that...is unprecedented in the history of mankind on a global scale.

 

[spudea]

I understand it's a private/commercial pipeline cutting through land that the Native Americans have a treaty with the U.S. government that says they won't trespass on that land.

That treaty came before statehood. So a question I have is was that treaty overridden during the state admission to the United States? The Enabling Act of 1889 appears to indicate the following:

"all lands lying within said limits owned or held by any Indian or Indian tribes; and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States, and said Indian lands shall remain under the absolute jurisdiction and control of the Congress of the United States"

http://leg.wa.gov/History/State/Pages/enabling.aspx

This section is also acknowledged in the North Dakota state constitution.

 

[otherone]

They've already got the memes on social media out there. "If they were white and armed this wouldn't be happening." "This is what happens when you're not white."

There's lots of white folk protesting there. We know because the MSM ain't covering it.