Daily Kos: I Endorse Ron Paul & Why Progressives Should Support Him

[user]

I believe most Democrats are moderates. If the Kos people are in the majority, why doesn't Kucinich's campaign ever take off? Most of them don't like Hillary either, but guess who's leading in the Democratic polls?

 

[daviddee]

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[Nefertiti]

These people aren't liberals, or Marxists or progressives. They are so juvenile that any political leanings or philosophy would be lost on them. Their ability to present an argument is stuck at the prepubescent level. I was dumbfounded at the extreme immaturity of their remarks but when I got to this one I simply couldn't read anymore:

"This morning I deposited a well-formed turd in the toilet bowl. I kind of like that--didn't smell too bad, it was quick, and my butt cleaned up well with one wipe. Much better than those messy, watery craps that sometimes come after too much greasy or spicy food.

That's kind of how I feel about Ron Paul, too. As pieces of shit go, he's not too bad. But even the best piece of shit can't be shown in polite company, and he's still a turd."

 

[rfbz]

man reading that site for too long does give me a sick feeling to my stomach.

You know, I've realized that the liberals think that we (and other limited government types) are cold hearted bastards and don't care about the poor and the sick. What they fail to realize is that we care about those things just the same, maybe even more so, but where the dispute lies is how we accomplish the goal of minimum poverty and suffering. They think that government handouts are they answer. This is what boggles my mind, don't we have a boatload of examples where this does NOT make the people better off? It does level the playing field, but everyone is then all on the same bottom rung. Everyone complains of high medical care costs. Why do you think that is? Because of government interfering with the industry. So what is their answer? More government. And it will not take long to see innovation drop to unprecedented levels.

We're already in the wrong direction with Healthcare. Nobody even pays attention to the cost anymore, we just know we have a $25 copay. It's impossible to compare price and quality with the ease of other industries. Doctors don't really get paid on how good they are, they primarily get more money by increasing patient volume which hurts everyone who has to wait a month for an appointment (my dr is like this).

 

[daviddee]

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[AgentPaul001]

I wonder if DailyKos endorsing Paul will hurt him. They've got a really bad reputation with most conservatives :|

 

[Dax552]

Folks, I have a confession to make. I used to read DailyKos. Quite a bit actually. I was just beginning to get interested in politics a few years ago, and figured that if DailyKos disliked the Bush policies as much as I did, then hey, I must be a "progressive" like them.

Only within the last year did I start to see holes in their positions, and now don't see myself as very "progressive" at all. Thankfully, I discovered Ron Paul, and now I know exactly where I lie on the political spectrum. I agree with virtually everything Ron Paul has to say, and he explains his positions so well, that he's changed my mind on a number of issues.

I'm amazed how closed-minded and uninformed some of these posters are, yet they all think themselves to be utterly brilliant.

Reading DailyKos now, it really disappoints me. Your statement is something I think in my head every time I read their comments at DailyKos these days, and their juvenile ignorance and close-minded attitude towards Ron Paul is very telling. They proudly proclaim that they have no interest in what's best for the country, but rather to simply elect Democrats. It's ironic, really, the way they treat difference of opinion, and how they're actually helping the current system continue down its path. Whether they realize it or not, they have become what they hate.

Before finding this Ron Paul forum however, I do recall one post by Kos himself after supporters of Ron Paul raised 4.3 million on November 5th. Kos was impressed and said that they were only talking in a vacuum over at their site, where as the Ron Paul supporters were forced to disperse out into the real world and bring attention to their cause. The Kos people were clearly jealous that none of their beloved democrats could garner such passion, and that they were supposed to OWN the anti-war vote, along with the energy of the younger generation.

The truth is, they had their chance and they blew it. And they continue to blow it with comments like those you see now. 2006 came, their democrats were voted in, and they were exposed for being no different than their neo-con counter parts.

Ron Paul is the only hope for this country, and if we continue to push hard, I truly believe that we will win. The peeps at dailykos will be furious when it happens, but it doesn't matter. Let them cry. They are a small minority and they'll continue to shrink, along with the neo-cons.

 

[rasheedwallace]

the comments are ROUGH to say the least.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Folks, I have a confession to make. I used to read DailyKos. Quite a bit actually. I was just beginning to get interested in politics a few years ago, and figured that if DailyKos disliked the Bush policies as much as I did, then hey, I must be a "progressive" like them.

Only within the last year did I start to see holes in their positions, and now don't see myself as very "progressive" at all. Thankfully, I discovered Ron Paul, and now I know exactly where I lie on the political spectrum. I agree with virtually everything Ron Paul has to say, and he explains his positions so well, that he's changed my mind on a number of issues.



Reading DailyKos now, it really disappoints me. Your statement is something I think in my head every time I read their comments at DailyKos these days, and their juvenile ignorance and close-minded attitude towards Ron Paul is very telling. They proudly proclaim that they have no interest in what's best for the country, but rather to simply elect Democrats. It's ironic, really, the way they treat difference of opinion, and how they're actually helping the current system continue down its path. Whether they realize it or not, they have become what they hate.

Before finding this Ron Paul forum however, I do recall one post by Kos himself after supporters of Ron Paul raised 4.3 million on November 5th. Kos was impressed and said that they were only talking in a vacuum over at their site, where as the Ron Paul supporters were forced to disperse out into the real world and bring attention to their cause. The Kos people were clearly jealous that none of their beloved democrats could garner such passion, and that they were supposed to OWN the anti-war vote, along with the energy of the younger generation.

The truth is, they had their chance and they blew it. And they continue to blow it with comments like those you see now. 2006 came, their democrats were voted in, and they were exposed for being no different than their neo-con counter parts.

Ron Paul is the only hope for this country, and if we continue to push hard, I truly believe that we will win. The peeps at dailykos will be furious when it happens, but it doesn't matter. Let them cry. They are a small minority and they'll continue to shrink, along with the neo-cons.

It takes a good person to admit that. I used to support the Iraq war in the beginning. I think all of us have learned alot. What's so magnificant about Paul is though you may not agree with everything he says, he still makes you think about things differently.

As I said in an earlier post in this thread: "Their lightbulb hasn't turned on yet. They don't get it." It hasn't clicked for them yet. Some it eventually will and others it never will. It all comes back to liberty and the constitution. If we don't agree with something in the constitution we have to amend it which is perfectly fine. The problem is that the federal government does whatever they want without amending the constitution and when we the people allow them to do that then we open up a huge mess b/c they're no longer bound by anything.

I always like to remind people with one example of how out of control things have gotten. Our federal government is using OUR tax dollars to REGULATE PROFFESSIONAL BASEBALL now! Is that not the most rediculous thing ever? Don't use my tax dollars for that! Isnt' there more important things that need to be addressed atleast? That's completely 100%, no questions asked UNCONSTITUTIONAL. They have ZERO jurisdiction over baseball. Period. Nada. Yet, again, b/c they've been allowed to do whatever they want for so long and aren't held to the jurisdiction set out in their oath to the constitution they think they can do whatever they please.

 

[daviddee]

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[RPTXState]

Folks, I have a confession to make. I used to read DailyKos. Quite a bit actually. I was just beginning to get interested in politics a few years ago, and figured that if DailyKos disliked the Bush policies as much as I did, then hey, I must be a "progressive" like them.

Only within the last year did I start to see holes in their positions, and now don't see myself as very "progressive" at all. Thankfully, I discovered Ron Paul, and now I know exactly where I lie on the political spectrum. I agree with virtually everything Ron Paul has to say, and he explains his positions so well, that he's changed my mind on a number of issues.



Reading DailyKos now, it really disappoints me. Your statement is something I think in my head every time I read their comments at DailyKos these days, and their juvenile ignorance and close-minded attitude towards Ron Paul is very telling. They proudly proclaim that they have no interest in what's best for the country, but rather to simply elect Democrats. It's ironic, really, the way they treat difference of opinion, and how they're actually helping the current system continue down its path. Whether they realize it or not, they have become what they hate.

Before finding this Ron Paul forum however, I do recall one post by Kos himself after supporters of Ron Paul raised 4.3 million on November 5th. Kos was impressed and said that they were only talking in a vacuum over at their site, where as the Ron Paul supporters were forced to disperse out into the real world and bring attention to their cause. The Kos people were clearly jealous that none of their beloved democrats could garner such passion, and that they were supposed to OWN the anti-war vote, along with the energy of the younger generation.

The truth is, they had their chance and they blew it. And they continue to blow it with comments like those you see now. 2006 came, their democrats were voted in, and they were exposed for being no different than their neo-con counter parts.

Ron Paul is the only hope for this country, and if we continue to push hard, I truly believe that we will win. The peeps at dailykos will be furious when it happens, but it doesn't matter. Let them cry. They are a small minority and they'll continue to shrink, along with the neo-cons.

If every American thought out their political beliefs and listened to logic like this, not only would Dr. Paul win, but most of our problems would be solved.

 

[Corydoras]

Wait... Ann Coulter said Ron Paul's foreign policy is fabulous and someone on the Daily Kos said that Ron Paul's candidacy is great for America? This is getting serious. As we hoped, the political dialogue in this country is being realigned by Ron Paul. What's next, lambs and lions getting cuddly?

 

[rory096]

Wait... Ann Coulter said Ron Paul's foreign policy is fabulous and someone on the Daily Kos said that Ron Paul's candidacy is great for America? This is getting serious. As we hoped, the political dialogue in this country is being realigned by Ron Paul. What's next, lambs and lions getting cuddly?

No, Coulter said Paul's domestic policy is fabulous and his foreign policy is terrible.

 

[_rp2008_]

Like Paul says: The source of our problems today is our disobedience of the US Constitution; the answers to these problems is our obedience of it.

 

[jamesmadison]

Some of you sound as stupid as the progressives.

Bla, bla, bla progressives this, progressives that. O'reilly rocks. I wonder who i heard it from. O'Reilly? They're not even human. They want to destroy christmas. O'reilly. Progressives. O'reilly. Christmas. Progressives.

O'reilly.

Socialized medicine. Hannity. O'reilly. Progressives. Beck. Medicine. Christmas.

 

[Richandler]

One of the few things I agree with Bill O'Reilly on is that the dailykos is filled with nuts.

It's funny how Colbert and Olbermann went to bat for them.

 

[speciallyblend]

oreilly is an idiot, yep i said it. oreilly is just as bad as daily kos ,both suck.....

 

[RichardC]

Before finding this Ron Paul forum however, I do recall one post by Kos himself after supporters of Ron Paul raised 4.3 million on November 5th. Kos was impressed and said that they were only talking in a vacuum over at their site, where as the Ron Paul supporters were forced to disperse out into the real world and bring attention to their cause. The Kos people were clearly jealous that none of their beloved democrats could garner such passion, and that they were supposed to OWN the anti-war vote, along with the energy of the younger generation.

The truth is, they had their chance and they blew it. And they continue to blow it with comments like those you see now. 2006 came, their democrats were voted in, and they were exposed for being no different than their neo-con counter parts.

Ron Paul is the only hope for this country, and if we continue to push hard, I truly believe that we will win. The peeps at dailykos will be furious when it happens, but it doesn't matter. Let them cry. They are a small minority and they'll continue to shrink, along with the neo-cons.

I basically agree with what you're saying, I've been in the same boat. I'd read some Kos and a little more Crooks and Liars, and I still read some C&L. But I've given up on the Kos website as anything more than a curiousity. They're imploding, and I don't think they see it. They are stuck in standard boxes of Right vs Left arguments, and RP has I think transcended that. He's shown us its possible to have a 3rd viewpoint, and I think a more valid one. His momentum is undeniable.

I still wouldn't push so hard back on Kos, and I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I see some of their members struggling with purpose, and this post on their site in support of RP, as misguided as the reasoning is, shows that they aren't yet done with this issue. Is their purpose to elect only Democrats? Or could their purpose be to elect honest public servants that truly serve the people?

On some issues, Kos could still prove to be an ally. Why drive them away? Politically, I'm not sure where I belong. I don't fit the nice little structures of these sites... if I were to post at Kos I'd get derided. When I post at C&L if I say anything even hinting at RP support, even when he's clearly right, I get labelled as a neocon shill. I think RP ought to have a very big tent because Constitutional issues cross party lines, and I think there could be more people like me floating around sites like Kos who just need to be shown the way.

I'm worried about partisanship and I don't think its a solution to anything. Kos drove to get the Democrats into congress in 2006 and for good reason, the Republican congress had proven unreliable. This is where we almost agree with a site like Kos- the dems were supposed to end the war and restore fiscal responsibility. That latter one sounds silly now, but just a year ago the Republicans were the party of "spend and spend" and the Democrats were viewed as the answer to their mad spending. They were also the candidates to restore honor and integrity to politics, with all the gay/underage/porn/prostitution scandals going on with the Repubs.

And a year later, things haven't really changed. The people at Kos, I think, are still trying to figure out what the hell happened. They put all this effort into the '06 Democrat resurgence, and they were backstabbed. The Dems haven't restored fiscal responsibility, if anything, they proved as bad or worse than the Repubs. They've done nothing to end the war, if anything escalate it. I actually think on the war issue, if you look at how Dems vote, they're very split on this. Too many of their own are falling into the neocon trap. I can only imagine how frustrating that failure must be (a microcosm of this Democrat identity crisis can be seen in the threats made by Sheehan to run against Pelosi).

The people at Kos have a great, honest candidate they could help propel into the front if they really believed in the courage of their convictions: Dennis Kucinich. But for whatever reason, they can't seem to make it happen. There's no real momentum, no real grassroots behind him, and they know it. It must be maddening. He's their only real anti-war candidate, the only true liberal, the only one calling for impeachment, and he's one of the few who actually reads and supports the constitution. His interpretation is populist and socialist, but at least he has an interpretation of it. So as flawed as this is, its still far ahead of the neocon agenda.

I still see potential for common ground here. Remember what they wanted was an end to the war and an end to crazy spending. Well, RP offers that. Everyone has to compromise a little, but I think RP ultimately appeals to rational people who aren't so partisan. And who wants to be partisan really. If you dig into their goals a little bit, you can usually discern the key issues that make them believe what it is they think they believe, and then you can begin to help them out of this insane partisan quagmire they've gotten themselves into.

 

[constituent]

so heavily inculcated--poster-children for Thomas Hobbes' 'Leviathan'!

needs repeating i think.


course, every once in awhile i like to dress like a progessive and send them subliminal messages
using the day's headlines. much easier than one might assume.

hadn't done it in a little while, the place gets... ahem... progressively dumber.

 

[stefans]

We Dems are FUCKED if Paul gets the nomination. (0 / 0)

Here's why.

I'm a Richardson supporter, and have been for awhile.

Simply put, Paul is the worst case Republican to get the nomination.

It's because he stands the best chance of beating us.

War? He's got us. He's a more credible anti-war candidate.

Immigration? He's got us. He's more credible than anything Dems have put together.

Fiscal policy? He's got us. The man has gone toe-to-toe with the Fed chairman on arcane currency policies - and WON. His ideas for cutting back the overseas commitments and allowing alternative currencies to compete with the dollar are, quite simply, genius.

I hope Paul doesn't get the nomination. No frontrunner Dem has a chance of beating him, only Richardson or Kucinich did - and the DNC threw them on the trash pile.

by jlseagull42 on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 09:57:27 PM PST