Culture in Decline - Video Series from the Creator of Zeitgeist

[wrestlingwes_8]

Saying that there are "flaws" with a free market system is like saying there are flaws with a tree, or a star , or an ocean. There are not flaws -- there is just a thing in its natural state.

If you think the free market is comparable to nature you really are extremely delusional

 

[KingNothing]

Alright but are those flaws just when it comes to affecting human life? Govt is obviously an immoral reaction to it, but should other corrections be considered?

They aren't flaws. Capitalism doesn't have flaws. It benefits certain people more than others.

 

[KingNothing]

If you think the free market is comparable to nature you really are extremely delusional

Uhh. Ok, then.


I'm very surprised by the vicious attacks on free market capitalism going on here.

 

[TheGrinch]

Uhh. Ok, then.


I'm very surprised by the vicious attacks on free market capitalism going on here.

Vicious? LOL, well, at least we can always count on you for absurd hyperbole.

Does it work best for humans who are primarily driven by self-interest? Probably, but is capitalism equatable to some natural law and order? Ummm, no...

 

[erowe1]

Isn't cultural decline exactly what the creator of Zeitgeist wants?

 

[KingNothing]

Vicious? LOL, well, at least we can always count on you for absurd hyperbole.

Does it work best for humans who are primarily driven by self-interest? Probably, but is capitalism equatable to some natural law and order? Ummm, no...

Why is capitalism best only for individuals driven by self-interest? That's leftist nonsense. It affords people the opportunity to express their innate humanity better than any other system. More than ANYTHING else, it exists in accordance with nature. If nature dictates than an individual be a greedy piece of garbage, that individual is free to live out nature's edict. If nature dictates that a different individual live altruistically, that individual is free to live out nature's edict. If nature dictates that yet another individual sit somewhere else on the spectrum, that individual is free to live out nature's edict.

Capitalism is voluntaryism. Capitalism is the freest form of economics/governance, and is, therefore, in strongest agreement with nature. After all, we're all born entirely free with absolutely no constraints other than those imposed on us by nature. It is society, and forms of economics/governance other than capitalism, that enforces rules which inhibit the expression of humanity.

 

[Romulus]

Wouldn't you agree that big corps are just as dangerous as big govt?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Self interest can cause someone to strive for positions of leadership where things that need to be done are not, and things that ought not be done are, out of self interest. It does not always provide for the best outcome.
Education in truth and honesty can go a long way. But, in whose interest is that.

 

[Romulus]

Self interest can cause someone to strive for positions of leadership where things that need to be done are not, and things that ought not be done are, out of self interest. It does not always provide for the best outcome.
Education in truth and honesty can go a long way. But, in whose interest is that.

Yes, there is no profit motive in "economizing" anything, which is the goal of humanity. The whole idea that we produce more and consume less benefits us all, we work less and have more. But consumption is a nasty thing really...There's nothing 'natural' about it. That is the down side to the profit motive.

 

[erowe1]

Wouldn't you agree that big corps are just as dangerous as big govt?

Do I agree that a bunch of people voluntarily pooling their resources to accomplish something is as bad as one group of people forcing a second group of people to pool their resources to accomplish something they don't want?

No. Of course not.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

As this is a Video Series, feel free to bump this thread with any / all New Episodes as they become available. This is also somewhat of a test to see if anyone is actually interested enough in the series to even post Video #2 which is already available.

A mixture of fact and fiction, journalism and editorial. You can pick out nuggets of wisdom here and there, but altogether it's not really worthwhile.

 

[KingNothing]

Wouldn't you agree that big corps are just as dangerous as big govt?

Not even remotely.

 

[KingNothing]

Yes, there is no profit motive in "economizing" anything, which is the goal of humanity.

The goal of humanity? Isn't that a bit presumptuous?

 

[Romulus]

Do I agree that a bunch of people voluntarily pooling their resources to accomplish something is as bad as one group of people forcing a second group of people to pool their resources to accomplish something they don't want?

No. Of course not.

Not even remotely.

Goldman Sachs? Monsanto?

The goal of humanity? Isn't that a bit presumptuous?

I would say the majority of people want to exist and live a healthy, prosperous life.. its the small percentage that strive for power, wealth and control over others.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I made it as far as nationalizing the banks before i couldn't take any more Marxist propaganda.

Exactly. This is not a liberty video at all. Not to mention the atheist propaganda embedded in it.

 

[jmdrake]

I support Ron Paul's version of free market capitalism. That Jack Hunter also supports it is irrelevant.

Episodes #2 and #3 were both excellent. Surprised more people haven't flipped out the 'Economics' episode...probably because very few have watched it..even though everyone here would benefit from the information. Although most will probably denounce it as Communist propaganda from the devil himself and then proceed to reinsert there heads up Jack Hunter's ass..

If you can't take 30 minutes to think outside of the self-imposed Capitalist box, then just skip forward to the next episode, many of you will agree with the general points presented in it.
Anyway, I saw Episode #3 'C.V.D' was posted in a sub-forum but it'll get more exposure here

 

[jmdrake]

Exactly. This is not a liberty video at all. Not to mention the atheist propaganda embedded in it.

Woefully inaccurate atheist propaganda that's embarrassing to intelligent and honest atheists.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

If you think the free market is comparable to nature you really are extremely delusional

It really depends on your definition of nature, so I think you're jumping to conclusions by saying someone who thinks human action is natural is "extremely delusional."

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Isn't cultural decline exactly what the creator of Zeitgeist wants?

That's interesting. Why do you say that?

 

[jmdrake]

As far as the whole "Free market capitalism equals/does not equal nature" thingy is concerned, I believe that's besides the point. As a Christian I believe that we are called to go above and beyond nature. You know one species will hunt another to extinction and not lose sleep over it? Does that mean genocide is okay? Jesus said "For the love of money is the root of all evil." In other words greed, when it operates in its most natural form, is not "good" no matter how you try to slice it. Greed in its most natural form also violated the bedrock libertarian principle of NAP. (Do you think lions and hyenas sit around worrying about if they violated NAP?) So take the economics of capitalism, mix in copious amounts of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and I believe you have a good system.