Cruz winning over Ron Paul supporters (riiiiight...)

LibertyEagle said:
Why on earth would you post this here? If you're going to post it at all, why not in the Spin subforum? Why would you want to give it more air play?
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So that we can talk about it. I don't really care about giving it air play and I don't really see the affect of this website as very significant in that respect.
 
Cruz is a sore subject for me. I couldn't convince people like my dad or brother to support Ron Paul. I couldn't even convince them to support Cruz. They voted for Dewhurst in the primary and runoff. Now Cruz is their favorite. He hung the moon according to them. Republican voters are retarded.

Liberty74 said:
I've said this from day one and even with Ron. Fuck them. Run Indy and blow this shit up.
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^^^THIS THIS THIS^^^ Should have been done 2 presidential elections ago but we keep getting taken for granted.
 
Liberty74 said:
This is a continued, coordinated effort by the MSM to push Paul out. Reuters released an article lumping Paul with the bottom 5 about burning through cash and how it's not sustainable despite having $2M still on hand.

And as I said, the memo from the campaign about Paul not dropping out would go right over their heads. They don't care!

I've said this from day one and even with Ron. Fuck them. Run Indy and blow this shit up.
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If I had a dime for every insult hurled at me when I suggested that sticking with the GOP would get us nowhere, I could probably send Rand a pretty nice check with the money I would have gotten.
 
cajuncocoa said:
here ya go:
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Thank you! A couple of points worth noting:

"Religious liberty has never been more under assault than it is right now," Cruz told voters last week at a Pizza Ranch in Rockwell City, Iowa.

"Amen!" a woman responded.

I wish Rand had said ^that in response to the question about workplace discrimination against gays instead of this:

I think really the things you do in your house, we could just leave those in your house and they wouldn't have to be part of the workplace. I don't know if we need to keep adding to different classifications to say government needs to be involved in the hiring and firing. I think society is rapidly changing and if you are gay, there are plenty of places that will hire you.

What Cruz said at least appealed to Christian conservatives. What Rand said pissed off gays without really appealing to...well...anybody. What I wish Rand had said was something like this:

I personally wouldn't discriminate against gays. But we have to be concerned as well about the rights of people of faith. Should a private religious school, for example, be forced to hire faculty that didn't follow the sponsoring church's teachings on appropriate behavior? We already have instances where pastors are being forced to turn over their sermons to be scrutinized for so called homophobic content. Can't gay people simply attend a different church without having the government get involved in what should be preached or believed?

The Rand Paul approach was to say "Well discrimination against gays isn't all that bad. They can stay in the closet or get another job." The Ted Cruz approach is to simply harp on how bad things are for Christians who don't agree with LGBT. The correct approach, IMO, is to acknowledge that gays have legitimate concerns but then beg the question "So where do we draw the line on the government forcing accommodation of those concerns?"


As rivals, Paul has criticized Cruz as ineffective because of his confrontational approach in the U.S. Capitol, such as calling McConnell a liar.

"Ted has chosen … to call people dishonest in leadership and call them names, which really goes against the decorum and also against the rules of the Senate, and as a consequence he can't get anything done legislatively," Paul said in a September interview on Fox News Radio.
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^That was NOT smart. The "Well he can't get anything done legislatively" argument was often slung against Ron Paul and Rand is slinging it against Ted? I get that Ron didn't run around calling people liars but he wasn't in thick with the GOP leadership either. Part of Ron's appeal is his being so anti-establishment.

That said, by in large the article is BS.
 
kahless said:
Yet Ron Paul was the strongest of any of the Republican candidates in 2008/2012 on immigration. Just go back and look at his campaign websites. No one was that tough on illegal immigration.
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That's the fact. But apparently it's a theocratic talking point to say that Ron was for completely open borders.

kahless said:
For 2016, Cruz and Trump are further to the right than Rand on immigration. So these folks are looking to Cruz and Trump rather than Rand. I also think allot of people believed that the Pauls were NOT for open borders considering their campaign positions or believed they were just catering to the establishment.
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I believe that both Cruz and Trump have called for substantially more immigration. The public perception is the opposite, due to both candidates trying to fool certain voters, and the MSM being more than happy to maintain that perception.
 
Well rand sure is not winning over all of ron's supporters right now.

Look at sites like zerohedge for example or the roganboard or godlikeproductions (i know, i mostly go there lately for amusement)
but these were all hubs for Ron people. Now it's all pro trump.
 
fatjohn said:
Well rand sure is not winning over all of ron's supporters right now.

Look at sites like zerohedge for example or the roganboard or godlikeproductions (i know, i mostly go there lately for amusement)
but these were all hubs for Ron people. Now it's all pro trump.
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In the end, it doesn't matter who is on the forums, it matters who shows up on caucus night in Iowa and the primary in New Hampshire. A vast majority of the online supporters don't understand how to link their frustration and cheerleading to real life results. Its easy to pump up a thread but most people fear the political system and getting involved in it.
 
fatjohn said:
Well rand sure is not winning over all of ron's supporters right now.

Look at sites like zerohedge for example or the roganboard or godlikeproductions (i know, i mostly go there lately for amusement)
but these were all hubs for Ron people. Now it's all pro trump.
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Those are all truther/conspiracy sites whose audience will never support Rand. They like Trump because he is a 9/11 and vaccine truther.
 
This notion is complete nonsense. If Rand isn't Ron enough for Ron Paul supporters how in the world is Cruz Ron enough?
 
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