Cruz Slams Trump: We Shouldn't Be 'Punishing Women' For Abortion

[Gh34]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...rump-abortion-comments-we-shouldnt-be-talking

This is supposedly the 'pro-life' jesus candidate who supposedly wants abortion banned in all instances, even for rape and incest. He is supported by lobbies who openly say that 'abortion is murder'. Yet, if he and those special interest groups genuinely believed that principle they would be in favor of charging the mothers as accomplices to murder too.

Abortion isn't even a historical issue, no one cared about it historically. What happened was that some mothers would find poisons/herbal remedies, and ingest them.

The catholic church didn't even formally declare life beginning at conception until the late 19th century. Even from 1869 to 1917, only late term abortions were technically penalized by the church.

Point is, abortion is either murder or it isn't. If abortion is murder, the mother should be charged as an accomplice to murder, if not the primary murderer.

 

[Adam Jensen]

Cruz is opportunistic to the bone. Real snake this guy. I doubt he has any principles at all - he just says whatever he thinks will get him ahead in the currect news cycle.

But what surprised me is the reaction coming from many pro-life groups:

Abortion is murder, but a person who solicits 'murder' is actually a victim - and if it makes no sense to you, that's cause you aren't a pro-lifer at all, but an impostor, who wants pro-lifers to look anti-woman.

These people have sacrificed moral clarity for the sake of optics. The funny thing their message is actually anti-woman, since they choose to treat women as children, refusing to hold them responsible for their (immoral) actions.

 

[Ronin Truth]

How about for infanticide?

 

[acptulsa]

So if a male doctor performs an abortion, Cruz would prosecute him, but if a female doctor performs an abortion he wouldn't prosecute anyone?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Default Cruz Slams Trump: We Shouldn't Be 'Punishing Women' For Abortion

Hypocrisy of the (so-called) pro-Life* movement. Stop hiding behind mothers' skirts....if you really believe it's murder, you have to execute the women who seek abortions.

*we already knew they were hypocrites...they thirst for the blood of war too much to really be pro-Life.

 

[Ronin Truth]

So if a male doctor performs an abortion, Cruz would prosecute him, but if a female doctor performs an abortion he wouldn't prosecute anyone?

Not if she's a mother and/or the fetus is a male.

 

[Origanalist]

Hypocrisy of the (so-called) pro-Life* movement. Stop hiding behind mothers' skirts....if you really believe it's murder, you have to execute the women who seek abortions.

*we already knew they were hypocrites...they thirst for the blood of war too much to really be pro-Life.

That's a pretty broad statement don't you think?

 

[puppetmaster]

If it against the law any party involved should be charged. The female that carries the baby and any person involved in the medical preparation and the one that performs the murders

 

[puppetmaster]

Hypocrisy of the (so-called) pro-Life* movement. Stop hiding behind mothers' skirts....if you really believe it's murder, you have to execute the women who seek abortions.

*we already knew they were hypocrites...they thirst for the blood of war too much to really be pro-Life.

I am pro life and anti war so buzz off

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ted Cruz is showing how pathetic he is here. And Donald Trump, in his attempt to hit on something controversial, stumbled on a correct conclusion, though he did not go far enough (abortionists and those who get them should be put to death period.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

Hypocrisy of the (so-called) pro-Life* movement. Stop hiding behind mothers' skirts....if you really believe it's murder, you have to execute the women who seek abortions.

*we already knew they were hypocrites...they thirst for the blood of war too much to really be pro-Life.

Do you not believe abortion is murder? I thought you did.

Totally agree on the hypocrisy with war though.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

non issue - saying abortion should be illegal is the same thing as saying it should be punished by law

I am shocked, shocked, that saying should be illegal means
should be punishment.

 

[cajuncocoa]

That's a pretty broad statement don't you think?

I am pro life and anti war so buzz off

You both know who what group I'm talking about.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Do you not believe abortion is murder? I thought you did.

Totally agree on the hypocrisy with war though.

That's not up to me, CL. I think it's wrong, but whether it's murder, or manslaughter, or whatever....that's a legal decision, and the law doesn't support any of that as of now.

 

[erowe1]

Abortion isn't even a historical issue, no one cared about it historically.

There are plenty of early Christian and Jewish writings that prohibit abortion.

 

[squirl22]

good article: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/donald-trump-true-victims-abortion/

Author is a doctor:

firmly believe that those who call themselves Pro-Life, yet still use the lives of the innocent unborn as a political chess pieces, or tragic vehicles for fundraising, without resolving to adequately deal with the overarching circumstances that surround the issue, share deeply in the guilt of those who bring about the deaths of innocent human life. The head-spinning rapidity of Trump’s backpedaling aside, the fact that the campaign said that the women, too, are victims and should not be punished, is at once distressing and repugnant. Let’s not mince words here – women who willfully go into an abortion clinic with the intent to kill their unborn child are not innocent victims. As of yet, I haven’t heard of any abortion clinics kidnapping pregnant women and forcing them to abort their babies.

 

[familydog]

Cruz is so pro life that he joked on national tv that he might murder Trump.

 

[juleswin]

WTF, Trump already walked by the politically incorrect statement he made, so why attack him now? what a slime ball

 

[Gh34]

There are plenty of early Christian and Jewish writings that prohibit abortion.

No, there is no mention of abortion in the bible period. The Talmud which was written in the early hundreds A.D. first makes some statements regarding abortion, but even early rabbinic judaism wasn't clearly against it.

And if you want to talk about Christianity, it wasn't disavowed unless it was after quickening (a number of days - months following conception), before that, it wasn't considered to have fulfilled the conditions of ensoulment.

 

[hells_unicorn]

No, there is no mention of abortion in the bible period.

Wrong! Consult Exodus 21:22.

The Talmud which was written in the early hundreds A.D. first makes some statements regarding abortion, but even early rabbinic judaism wasn't clearly against it.

The Babylonian Talmud makes some statements regarding pedophilia being permissible, not a good source also given that it was based on the code of law by which Jesus was condemning the Jewish establishment of the time.

And if you want to talk about Christianity, it wasn't disavowed unless it was after quickening (a number of days - months following conception), before that, it wasn't considered to have fulfilled the conditions of ensoulment.

I strongly suggest consulting other sources than the modern liberal rot you've been consuming if you wish to make accurate statements on Christian history, you can start with the following link which lists the Didache, early councils, and early fathers of the church beginning in the mid 2nd century.

Oh, and in case you're unclear on this being a consistent viewpoint prior to the 19th century, feel free to consider some quotes from key Protestant Reformers below:

John Calvin
Martin Luther
Zwingli also spoke out against the practice, but I can't locate any isolated quotes from his works posted anywhere for immediate consumption.