Cruz family Canada records could be available . . .

[Jan2017]

US law which states that? Link?

How many times do you need these links ? . . .
to which you'd then formerly just lie outright and pull out of your arse that Mr. Smith of South Carolina was born in the UK
while the 1789 Madison Papers that stated the USA used "place of birth - not parentage" just three months after ratification of the Constitution
and a full one year before the 1790 definition relied on by Cruz liars to obfuscate, which btw . . . was even repealed and re-written as Madison, Washington and Jay wished in 1795 anyway.

So . . . you are a different Zippy. lol

 

[Zippyjuan]

So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).

 

[Jan2017]

So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).

Title 8 - remember from before Zippy 2.0 ? Naturalization Act of 1952 - codified as Title 8 of the US Code - remember from before ?

Come'on . . . it is even the same Section of Title 8 as before . . . begins with a 1 . . . then there is a

 

[Zippyjuan]

Oh yeah- that one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401 It says only one parent has to be a US Citizen.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen year

You are right- that law does apply to Cruz- and says he was a national and citizen at birth as long as ONE of his parents was a US citizen.

(His mother was a US citizen and met the residence requirements).

So he was born a US citizen.

 

[Jan2017]

So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).

Madison was arguing in Congress . . . the Constitution is the law of course that was ratified in March 1789 by Rhode Island last, when Madison was before Congress arguing his opinion and definition regarding Mr. Smith -
I think it might have been even used in the 1993 contemporary definition of natural born citizen in that US District Court case - remember ?

 

[Jan2017]

Oh yeah- that one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
You are right- that law does apply to Cruz- and says he was a national and citizen at birth as long as ONE of his parents was a US citizen.

What comes before that (g) in Sect 1401 . . . again omitted ?
Pulled more chit outta yer arse, eh? 8 USC Sect. 143-- . . . read verbatim again needed ?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Good historical evidence that "natural-born Citizen" of the American army meant . . . as John Jay wrote it - and George Washington read it and interpreted it -was actually both "born on the soil" and "born to both citizen-parents" (McCain ineligible)

That's the way I read it, after much research, but it could have meant just the father had to be a citizen.

Either way, with Cruz's father being Cuban, he is ineligible.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Requirements are undefined though there are two ways to acquire citizenship- by birth or by naturalization which is becoming a citizen after birth.

But natural born under the eligibility to be a president clauses is a higher standard than just a citizen.

 

[Zippyjuan]

What comes before that (g) in Sect 1401 . . . again omitted ?
Pulled more chit outta yer arse, eh? 8 USC Sect. 143-- . . . read verbatim again needed ?

Outta my arse? Just quoting the law.

What comes before (g)? That would be (f).

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

Not seeing any relevance there though.

 

[Jan2017]

Outta my arse? Just quoting the law.

Why not quote the entire law . . . instead of spread chit endlessly . . . go back to the previous thread or still needing help ?

Find the automatic citizenship requirement yet in the 1952 Act yet . . . again ?

 

[Zippyjuan]

But natural born under the eligibility to be a president clauses is a higher standard than just a citizen.

Where and what is in the law on that? The Constitution says nothing about it- beyond requiring that a President be "natural born". It offers no definitions of the term.

 

[Jan2017]

But natural born under the eligibility to be a president clauses is a higher standard than just a citizen.

A foreign born alien born to only one US citizen parent is naturalized when the requirements are met of the 1952 Act of Congress
- for Cruz looking more like 1981 for the residency requirement based on when he became an Inhabitant of the USA

 

[Jan2017]

Where and what is in the law on that? The Constitution says nothing about it- beyond requiring that a President be "natural born". It offers no definitions of the term.

Wrong.
Again . . . the very letter of the Secretary of Foreign Affairs to the Constitutional Convention, and the Madison papers are very clear.

US District Court of 1993 defined the term used in the Constitution as well, for one other.

 

[Zippyjuan]

A letter is not law. What law applies to the situation?

 

[Jan2017]

A letter is not law. What law applies to the situation?

That letter that was voted on and put into the draft of the Constitution unanimously for the commander of the American Army
but then voted down for the new Senators because of the Pennsylvania delegate who later became an Associate Justice in
John Jay's First Supreme Court of The United States
. . . I always thought it was in August, but by September 1787 the definition had been voted on and made law in the constitution when ratified three months before the Madison Papers reference.

Confirmed in the United States District Court as well.

Cruz not an automatic citizen certainly by just the "act of being born" in a foreign country using anybody's definition really ever,
but the court will be using the 1952 Act of Congress that applies to his naturalization.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Where and what is in the law on that? The Constitution says nothing about it- beyond requiring that a President be "natural born". It offers no definitions of the term.

natural born means you didn't have to do anything to be a citizen.

naturalized means the government had to do something, pass a law which you followed, to be a citizen.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So the letter was rejected and did not become law. That means it has no legal significance in Cruz's citizenship. We have to go by what laws were in existence at the time of his birth and according to them, he was born a citizen.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

So the letter was rejected and did not become law. That means it has no legal significance in Cruz's citizenship. We have to go by what laws were in existence at the time of his birth and according to them, he was born a citizen.

If you are natural born, you aren't going by any statutory law, you are going by natural law.

 

[Jan2017]

So the letter was rejected and did not become law. That means it has no legal significance in Cruz's citizenship. We have to go by what laws were in existence at the time of his birth and according to them, he was born a citizen.

chit out of arse . . . ya' got diarrhea goin' on ?

unanimous assent to use the Secretary of Foreign Affairs "natural-born Citizen" for the commander-in-chief, not the US Senator though it was close.

 

[Jan2017]

If you are natural born, you aren't going by any statutory law, you are going by natural law.

We are going by the US Constitution for the Presidential Eligibility Clause - that is the law . . .
and that law of the land was voted and ratified on by spring of 1789 by all 13 original states.

But ok, Cruz wasn't natural born Citizen meeting that Clause . . . he was naturalized of course by Act of Congress.