Crooks Didn't Act Alone

[osan]

These days I can't tell what's real and what's hot air, so take this one with a grain of salt. Claims this to have been uncovered by Heritage Foundation. However, true or not, it is certainly plausible.

https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1815635084793303364


ETA: Here's more:

https://rumble.com/v5855mr-fbi-caught-communicating-with-trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-.html

ETA: Repaired embed errors

 

[acptulsa]

 

[CaptUSA]

Guys, please be careful with this stuff...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?567345-Trump-shot-at-Rally&p=7243590#post7243590

The assassination attempt was bad enough without mixing up all sorts of false inferences.

 

[acptulsa]

Guys, please...

I wasn't endorsing anything. I was just fixing faulty embeds.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbavw1XIq-Y

 

[CaptUSA]

There you go. When we say he didn't act alone, this is what we mean...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbavw1XIq-Y

 

[jmdrake]

Question. If they really wanted to kill Trump, why didn't they? Seriously? The guy on the roof with a crappy AR15 with a non magnification red dot site couldn't have done anything but get off a lucky shot that might kill Trump. If there was a second shooter, or if they purposefully allowed Crooks to get in position to take the shot, couldn't they have made sure he had a decent scope? He had a range finder. Academy Sports has a 30x rifle scope for $200.00. I would say this kid is too dumb to get a scope...but then he was smart enough to get a rangefinder. (I wouldn't have thought of that but I'm not a gun guy. But I would have thought of a scope). If there was a second professional shooter he would have absolutely had a scope. There's the possibility that the second shooter was just too far away to make the headshot. But why didn't he aim center of mass? Concern about body armor? Well he could have shot in the pelvic region and which isn't covered by a rifle plate.

It's funny that liberal are running with the "It was all staged by Trump to get a bump in the polls" conspiracy theory, but that would have required the Biden administration and/or deep state to be in on it in terms of security lapses. Conservative are going with the "It was the deep state trying to kill Trump" conspiracy theory, but that makes no sense because if that were true....he'd be dead. "Oh they missed and got the ear." He stood there long enough checking his ear for a second shot.

If this is a grand conspiracy, the only conspiracy is that Trump and the deep state conspired together. Something that [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] has been hinting at.

 

[CaptUSA]

Question. If they really wanted to kill Trump, why didn't they? Seriously? The guy on the roof with a crappy AR15 with a non magnification red dot site couldn't have done anything but get off a lucky shot that might kill Trump. If there was a second shooter, or if they purposefully allowed Crooks to get in position to take the shot, couldn't they have made sure he had a decent scope? He had a range finder. Academy Sports has a 30x rifle scope for $200.00. I would say this kid is too dumb to get a scope...but then he was smart enough to get a rangefinder. (I wouldn't have thought of that but I'm not a gun guy. But I would have thought of a scope). If there was a second professional shooter he would have absolutely had a scope. There's the possibility that the second shooter was just too far away to make the headshot. But why didn't he aim center of mass? Concern about body armor? Well he could have shot in the pelvic region and which isn't covered by a rifle plate.

It's funny that liberal are running with the "It was all staged by Trump to get a bump in the polls" conspiracy theory, but that would have required the Biden administration and/or deep state to be in on it in terms of security lapses. Conservative are going with the "It was the deep state trying to kill Trump" conspiracy theory, but that makes no sense because if that were true....he'd be dead. "Oh they missed and got the ear." He stood there long enough checking his ear for a second shot.

If this is a grand conspiracy, the only conspiracy is that Trump and the deep state conspired together. Something that [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] has been hinting at.

Have you ever read the book, Nudge, by Cass Sunstein and Richard Thaler? Their concept they ironically dubbed, "libertarian paternalism", was highly touted by Barack Obama. Anyway, in that book, they suggest that you only to give nudges and allow people to operate according to the incentives you've laid before them. And it's up to governments to lay out the incentives that work to government's favor.

Anyway, back to this case, just to show a conspiratorial way this would be done.

They have an impressionable kid on SSRI's that visits a gun range.
<Side anecdote, I went to a gun range outside of DC in my teens and I was approached by strangers there that wanted to chat about my political beliefs (I had LP license plates on my truck) - not saying they were agents, but they looked like agents. I even made friends with a guy and we'd meet up there to shoot together until he got too pushy and got angry at me for missing some times that he wanted to shoot. Then, he ghosted me entirely and I never saw him again. Could have just been an asshole.>
Anyway, they have records of this kid's medical diagnoses, they have records of his range visits and they have records of his online activity. They don't need to ORDER him to do anything, nor do they need to give him the right weapons. The asset will figure that stuff out on his own. They only need to give the proper nudges. "Did you know Trump's having a rally in Butler?" Kid looks up the rally. "I heard the security is so lax at that place - no one's even gonna be watching that AGR building". Agent tracks his phone and sees that the kid is doing recon, so he reports back. They coordinate an opening at the AGR building and let the kid do his thing.

Again, not saying this is how it happened, but it very easily could have.

 

[69360]

Have you ever read the book, Nudge, by Cass Sunstein and Richard Thaler? Their concept they ironically dubbed, "libertarian paternalism", was highly touted by Barack Obama. Anyway, in that book, they suggest that you only to give nudges and allow people to operate according to the incentives you've laid before them. And it's up to governments to lay out the incentives that work to government's favor.

Anyway, back to this case, just to show a conspiratorial way this would be done.

They have an impressionable kid on SSRI's that visits a gun range.
<Side anecdote, I went to a gun range outside of DC in my teens and I was approached by strangers there that wanted to chat about my political beliefs (I had LP license plates on my truck) - not saying they were agents, but they looked like agents. I even made friends with a guy and we'd meet up there to shoot together until he got too pushy and got angry at me for missing some times that he wanted to shoot. Then, he ghosted me entirely and I never saw him again. Could have just been an $#@!.>
Anyway, they have records of this kid's medical diagnoses, they have records of his range visits and they have records of his online activity. They don't need to ORDER him to do anything, nor do they need to give him the right weapons. The asset will figure that stuff out on his own. They only need to give the proper nudges. "Did you know Trump's having a rally in Butler?" Kid looks up the rally. "I heard the security is so lax at that place - no one's even gonna be watching that AGR building". Agent tracks his phone and sees that the kid is doing recon, so he reports back. They coordinate an opening at the AGR building and let the kid do his thing.

Again, not saying this is how it happened, but it very easily could have.

That is likely how it happened.

 

[CaptUSA]

That is likely how it happened.

Unlike the Gretchen Whitmer set up, though, dead men tell no tales. And you're relying on government to investigate government to undercover the links. Meanwhile, they've covered their tracks so that no one other than a government agency would be able to find the connections.

 

[Snowball]

I think we're all adults and can keep an eye on this whichever way we want to do that,
but I agree now with CaptUSA that it's time to lay off the speculation in our posts.

 

[CaptUSA]

I think we're all adults and can keep an eye on this whichever way we want to do that,
but I agree now with CaptUSA that it's time to lay off the speculation in our posts.

To be clear, I think speculation is ok for these forums as long as we clearly state it as such. We just need to be cautious. It tends to send people down erroneous rabbit holes when it's thrown out there like some kind of revelation. I have seen no credible evidence for a second shooter, a shattered teleprompter, anyone on the water tower, or the involvement of Maxwell Yearick. I HAVE seen lots of evidence of head-scratching security lapses that coincided with a 20-year old kid that somehow negotiated his way through them.

 

[69360]

Unlike the Gretchen Whitmer set up, though, dead men tell no tales. And you're relying on government to investigate government to undercover the links. Meanwhile, they've covered their tracks so that no one other than a government agency would be able to find the connections.

Oh, we will never know the truth. While I believe that this kid was likely set up and allowed to do this, I understand that it will never be proven.

 

[jmdrake]

Have you ever read the book, Nudge, by Cass Sunstein and Richard Thaler? Their concept they ironically dubbed, "libertarian paternalism", was highly touted by Barack Obama. Anyway, in that book, they suggest that you only to give nudges and allow people to operate according to the incentives you've laid before them. And it's up to governments to lay out the incentives that work to government's favor.

Anyway, back to this case, just to show a conspiratorial way this would be done.

They have an impressionable kid on SSRI's that visits a gun range.
<Side anecdote, I went to a gun range outside of DC in my teens and I was approached by strangers there that wanted to chat about my political beliefs (I had LP license plates on my truck) - not saying they were agents, but they looked like agents. I even made friends with a guy and we'd meet up there to shoot together until he got too pushy and got angry at me for missing some times that he wanted to shoot. Then, he ghosted me entirely and I never saw him again. Could have just been an $#@!.>
Anyway, they have records of this kid's medical diagnoses, they have records of his range visits and they have records of his online activity. They don't need to ORDER him to do anything, nor do they need to give him the right weapons. The asset will figure that stuff out on his own. They only need to give the proper nudges. "Did you know Trump's having a rally in Butler?" Kid looks up the rally. "I heard the security is so lax at that place - no one's even gonna be watching that AGR building". Agent tracks his phone and sees that the kid is doing recon, so he reports back. They coordinate an opening at the AGR building and let the kid do his thing.

Again, not saying this is how it happened, but it very easily could have.

Oh sure. But you have to ask yourself the question "Did they really want Trump dead" then? Did they do a risk assessment of what would happen if Trump survived the assassination? You're focusing on the "how." I'm focusing on the "why?" The "que bono?" Who benefits from a failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump?

By the way, the "nudge into chaos" strategy was on full display in season 4 of "The Boys" where the character Sage manipulated everybody, including her own co-conspirators, into doing a coup exactly the way she wanted it to come out. I know a lot of conservatives are mad at the show because it took the mask off and went entirely partisan (the main villain Homelander became clearly a parody of Trump with a female Alex Jones like sidekick "Firecracker"). But it's worth watching for opposition research. So, how does a possible second term of Trump help the deep state?

 

[CaptUSA]

Oh sure. But you have to ask yourself the question "Did they really want Trump dead" then? Did they do a risk assessment of what would happen if Trump survived the assassination? You're focusing on the "how." I'm focusing on the "why?" The "que bono?" Who benefits from a failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump?

By the way, the "nudge into chaos" strategy was on full display in season 4 of "The Boys" where the character Sage manipulated everybody, including her own co-conspirators, into doing a coup exactly the way she wanted it to come out. I know a lot of conservatives are mad at the show because it took the mask off and went entirely partisan (the main villain Homelander became clearly a parody of Trump with a female Alex Jones like sidekick "Firecracker"). But it's worth watching for opposition research. So, how does a possible second term of Trump help the deep state?

So, their experience has shown them that failures don't get punished. I really don't think the intention was for the kid to miss, but if that low probability did happen, they'd go into CYA mode like they are now with no (or very low) repercussions. That's not a difficult shot and if Trump didn't turn his head, that's a direct hit. Brains blown out on live TV right before the convention. Then, calls for national unity. Some other puppet for the MIC takes over, civil unrest is quelled. More power and wealth gets transferred to government to "ensure our safety". And a whole host of other horrors that exist in that timeline. But a low probability failure?? You get exactly what you're seeing now. Administrative CYA, plausible deniability, shake-ups on the DNC (which most likely would have happened anyway, but in a different way), and a push to move on.

Also, I've watched The Boys. The last season really jumped the shark - they even had to put disclaimers on the last episode because it tracked too closely to real events.

 

[oyarde]

Oh sure. But you have to ask yourself the question "Did they really want Trump dead" then? Did they do a risk assessment of what would happen if Trump survived the assassination? You're focusing on the "how." I'm focusing on the "why?" The "que bono?" Who benefits from a failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump?

By the way, the "nudge into chaos" strategy was on full display in season 4 of "The Boys" where the character Sage manipulated everybody, including her own co-conspirators, into doing a coup exactly the way she wanted it to come out. I know a lot of conservatives are mad at the show because it took the mask off and went entirely partisan (the main villain Homelander became clearly a parody of Trump with a female Alex Jones like sidekick "Firecracker"). But it's worth watching for opposition research. So, how does a possible second term of Trump help the deep state?

A Trump second term wont really bother deep state . He wasnt a particularly quick study first time . He'll be busy trying to jump start an economy that will soon start to lag ( unemployment already 4.2 percent and rising with nothing more than a 1/2 point reduction at most by fed in next 7 months or so , gdp probably dropping by Jan , a gdp that cant even avg 2 percent past 2 1/2 decades), he'll be trying to unleash cheap energy , cutting foreign aid not to jews etc and they have schumer , house dems , fbi , cia , secret service etc and it is business as usual for them. They'll never be stopped unless you eliminate them. Itd take 250 reps like Massie and 60 Senaotors like Rand to do it , so .... There wont be anyone to beat them in 2028 ( and they could just try and kill them if there was) so we are stuck w/ deep state until finality of coming economic collapse , may be a decade , may be two ,but the FRN is dead and mathematically this only ends one way.

 

[acptulsa]

Anyway, in that book, they suggest that you only to give nudges and allow people to operate according to the incentives you've laid before them.

Sure. But none of that addresses [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]'s point. If they wanted him dead, he would be. Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald was in Dealey Plaza and maybe he wasn't, but in any case there was more than one gunman. They wanted Kennedy dead and he died.

They obviously wanted something or none of it would have happened.

Let's look at some other history. Bush's friend John Hinckley's retarded son popped Reagan with a .22. Of course it didn't kill him. But it seems to have sent him a message. He was a willing dupe for everything from Iran-Contra to Star Wars from then forward. Perhaps that's a relevant sample of their psychotic past behavior to consider.

Reagan and Trump have something in common. No other Republican presidents in my lifetime have managed to lay claim on the unthinking affection of GOP voters that they did. That gives an attention whore ideas that they don't need to listen to the people who put them where they are any more.

Those of us with eyes to see how he was sold to us in 2016 know Trump is on the reservation. But that doesn't mean they couldn't make up their minds to take steps to keep him there.

 

[Matt Collins]

It's funny that liberal are running with the "It was all staged by Trump to get a bump in the polls" conspiracy theory, but that would have required the Biden administration and/or deep state to be in on it in terms of security lapses. Conservative are going with the "It was the deep state trying to kill Trump" conspiracy theory, but that makes no sense because if that were true....he'd be dead. "Oh they missed and got the ear." He stood there long enough checking his ear for a second shot.

No, Trump got lucky, because the guy hit him, but only missed a kill shot by 1/4" By all rights Trump SHOULD be dead. He knows it and everyone else knows it.


The objective is clear as day to me, they were trying to change the outcome of the RNC before Trump got the nomination and picked a VP candidate. The timing of the hit shows this. Trump wasn't really being targeted until it was guaranteed he would be the next POTUS since the Dems have no path to victory. There is no way the SS "lapses" were unintentional. They are not that incompetent, too many layers, swiss cheese etc.

JFK got plugged after talking about dismantling the CIA, we all know this. Trump, after Chevron, is now talking about eliminating the 'deep state' ... but also let's be real, how much money is being laundered and washed in Ukraine right now? How many hands will he slam the cookie jar lid on when he gets in office?

I'm not a big Trump fan, but his foreign policy was better than any other President in my lifetime (not saying much I know). It's pretty likely he will end the Ukrainian nonsense very quickly once he takes office because he knows it's a scam. Too many people making too much money from it including the MIC, defense contractors, bankers, intel community, corrupt politicians (Biden family), etc take your pick.

I heard Thomas Massie once say that the only time he feared for his safety was when he was trying to force a vote on the COVID spending bill because the interest on that amount of money along was about $1 billion/day and he said "people have been killed over a lot less" and every day he delayed the vote was costing a lot of people a lot of money.

 

[jmdrake]

No, Trump got lucky, because the guy hit him, but only missed a kill shot by 1/4" By all rights Trump SHOULD be dead. He knows it and everyone else knows it.


The objective is clear as day to me, they were trying to change the outcome of the RNC before Trump got the nomination and picked a VP candidate. The timing of the hit shows this. Trump wasn't really being targeted until it was guaranteed he would be the next POTUS since the Dems have no path to victory. There is no way the SS "lapses" were unintentional. They are not that incompetent, too many layers, swiss cheese etc.

JFK got plugged after talking about dismantling the CIA, we all know this. Trump, after Chevron, is now talking about eliminating the 'deep state' ... but also let's be real, how much money is being laundered and washed in Ukraine right now? How many hands will he slam the cookie jar lid on when he gets in office?

I'm not a big Trump fan, but his foreign policy was better than any other President in my lifetime (not saying much I know). It's pretty likely he will end the Ukrainian nonsense very quickly once he takes office because he knows it's a scam. Too many people making too much money from it including the MIC, defense contractors, bankers, intel community, corrupt politicians (Biden family), etc take your pick.

I heard Thomas Massie once say that the only time he feared for his safety was when he was trying to force a vote on the COVID spending bill because the interest on that amount of money along was about $1 billion/day and he said "people have been killed over a lot less" and every day he delayed the vote was costing a lot of people a lot of money.

You've not watched the analysis videos I've seen of the shooting apparently. Crooks was not using a real sniper rifle nor was he using a scope. It's IMPOSSIBLE for the "deep state" to be so sloppy as to send someone out that ill prepared to do the job if they really wanted Trump dead. See for yourself.





As for the bullet hitting Trump's ear....well the video doesn't actually show that. It shows Trump's reaction and holding his hand to his ear. Don't get me wrong. I believe that he really got shot in the ear. But I can't prove that from the video and neither can you. From the ballistic ear re-enactment shows ^above we should have seen chunks of ear or at least some blood spurting out. We don't see that. But somehow we magically see a bullet caught in the air. How pray tell can a camera catch a high speed bullet but not a relatively low speed blood spurt?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Guys, please be careful with this stuff...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?567345-Trump-shot-at-Rally&p=7243590#post7243590

The assassination attempt was bad enough without mixing up all sorts of false inferences.

Ditto:

If you go off half-cocked on a wild goose chase down rabbit holes, and you're wrong, it's you who ends up looking like the fool.

We have this propensity to try to formulate the most complex theories possible. Everything has to be a Rube-Goldberg machine. The state can't simply fire up the masses into a frenzy, wait for someone to snap, and stand down hoping for a 'convenient' outcome.

'No, that's too simple. It cannot possibly have been how it happened.' So we say. So we always say.

The thing is, the more complex the scheme gets, the harder it is to prove, much less sell the idea to enough people (or the right people) to make any difference.

A lot of people don't even want to believe that Trump was shot in the ear. They think the whole thing was staged.<---- Keep in mind, that's what you're starting with.