Crazy conpiracy about mystery NAFTA superhighway.

You mean workers here illegally? Go down to ANY construction site....or ask any legal taxpaying contractor in the United States if people here illegally take jobs away from Americans who pay taxes. They work cheaper than Americans for cash....period and they do NOT pay taxes. I know people personally who cannot make a living against them and have lost there jobs. Jobs that Americans won't do is total BS. Its a fact and its everywhere. American citizen first? You mean legal taxpaying Americans first don't you? People that do not commit crimes and are not here illegally first? War breaks out...(a real one were America truely needs to be protected)....and see how fast those same criminals rush back across the border. No loyalty to this country at all with most. Shoe on the other foot would you fight for Mexico if you were there illegally? Yes I certainly hope he does put American citizens FIRST. People that come here legally and pay taxes are 100% ok with me...the others deserve EVERYTHING THEY GET...and I hope they get whats coming to them. People that want to PROTECT CRIMINALS in this country illegally and in any way stick up for them make me SICK!!! People that apply for citizesnship, try hard to learn the language, love America and do the right thing....I'm 100% behind them. Ron Paul is against amnesty IN ANY FORM for illegals in this country!! "American-citizens-first-nationalist" ......twist it into being some kind of racist if you like...total BS...Your the one taking up for criminals. I suppose you would like to have a borderless America were the American flag flys along side Mexico flag on America soil and Spanish is the language!!....NOT ME!!

I live in the middle of cattle country. In the 70's the meat packers were paying around 25.00 per hour. Now in the middle of "Little Mexico" the pay is 10 to 12 per hour. Its all about big business and the almighty dollar. This is an invasion by sheer numbers and births, Mexico wants parts of the US back. Google Aztlan.
 
I live in the middle of cattle country. In the 70's the meat packers were paying around 25.00 per hour. Now in the middle of "Little Mexico" the pay is 10 to 12 per hour. Its all about big business and the almighty dollar. This is an invasion by sheer numbers and births, Mexico wants parts of the US back. Google Aztlan.

I agree....Preaching to the Choir .... Those criminals can cry me a river.
 
And what is the problem with Spanish contractors? Do you really think that Ron Paul would agree to a claim like "American citizens first" when it comes to economic matters?

The Manufacturing & Technology News interview with Perot's 1996 running mate Pat Choate (linked at the Daily Paul, or go directly here) really cleared up this entire issue for me. If you haven't read it yet, please do, and spread the word.

Basically, the problem with the highway is that state governments are giving no-bid and no-compete contracts to foreign firms, specifically an Australian bank that owns a Spanish contractor in many cases. That's the bank that bought out Giuliani's consulting firm and ended up netting Rudy ~$70 million.

The larger issue with NAFTA, the NAU, the WTO, etc., is that all of these organizations are extra-national, meaning they consider national laws and constitutions to be subordinate to their charters. NAFTA already has resulted in Canadian and Mexican and US companies successfully suing state/provincial governments for laws that result in "lost profits". The "conspiracy" isn't necessarily about PrisonPlanet-type stuff, but there is clearly a move for the largest corporations to use governmental powers of taxation and imprisonment to make sure their investments get the expected returns. That is NOT free trade!
 
I live in the middle of cattle country. In the 70's the meat packers were paying around 25.00 per hour. Now in the middle of "Little Mexico" the pay is 10 to 12 per hour. Its all about big business and the almighty dollar. This is an invasion by sheer numbers and births, Mexico wants parts of the US back. Google Aztlan.

I'm not a fan of eminent domain, and the proposed highway, if true, does sound like a bit of a boondogle, but why is it bad that "its all about big business and the almighty dollar"? Those lower wages--I'm guessing because they're non-union--allow the rest of us to eat more cheaply. Good! If meat packers were making $25.00 per hour in the 1970s then that was an outrageously high wage--again, I bet it was because of unions, which only have their power because of the unconstitutional National Labor Relations Act. I'm glad the wages are lower now for such low-skilled work, and I say thank you to the immigrants for creating some competition in the industry.

As for the highway itself, again, it sounds like a boondogle, but how the hell is it a threat to our sovereignty? People in this thread are saying having customs in Kansas City would be a loophole for terrorists. People, you're sounding like freekin' Mitt Romney. How many of the 9/11 terrorists came through Mexico? NONE!!! They all came here legally! Including terrorism in a discussion about the US-Mexican border is simply hiding protectionism. Plus, there are already customs in Kansas City--at the airport. Just because the freight would travel by road or rail instead of air does not mean our sovereignty is in jeopardy.
 
As for the highway itself, again, it sounds like a boondogle, but how the hell is it a threat to our sovereignty? People in this thread are saying having customs in Kansas City would be a loophole for terrorists. People, you're sounding like freekin' Mitt Romney. How many of the 9/11 terrorists came through Mexico? NONE!!! They all came here legally! Including terrorism in a discussion about the US-Mexican border is simply hiding protectionism. Plus, there are already customs in Kansas City--at the airport. Just because the freight would travel by road or rail instead of air does not mean our sovereignty is in jeopardy.

Again, people are getting worked up about the highway issue because of all the misinformation about the financing and special interests involved. And it's a boondoggle. I agree with you that a highway - as such - isn't a problem at all. The problem is that, as Ron Paul spelled out in the debate, there are plans being made to synchronize the economic and legal systems of the NAFTA countries (and the world at large as well), but these planning sessions are not being covered by the mass media, definitely not in detail. So when people like me get wind of some small piece of it, and a piece that sounds against my interest, we get very suspicious of the whole process very quickly. All of these international organizations are set up to supercede national laws and that potentially includes the Bill of Rights. Given the actions of my official representatives that are actually on the record, I have no confidence in the intentions of those they delegate negotiating power to for off-the-record deals.
 
"James R is a kook. This highway is just a figment of his imagination. Hahaha!" --CNN's Jeffrey Toobin



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sorry for my dumb question, but could someone please explain to me as a foreigner what exactly the problem with such a highway would be (other than with every other non privately owned road?)

I-69 will run along the south edge of the community that i live in now, Victoria. I'm fine with it, and we need the improvements desperately. If you're opposed to it, don't let me catch crowdin' up 59 on your way too and from rockport (or corpus or laredo for that matter) to houston and we'll get along just fine.

Until then, I'd rather not be crushed by some houston jerk in a big ass rush to beat everyone to his condo... we need the improvements, period.

The way they are going about it is the problem, not the fact that it is being built (at least, it is not any more of a problem than the initial program that built the interstate highways in the first place).

tolls are another related issue.
 
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I'm glad the wages are lower now for such low-skilled work, and I say thank you to the immigrants for creating some competition in the industry.
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Whatever it is you do for a living...imagine a group moving in BY THE HUNDREDS who are willing to do your job for 70% less than you do it? Ah it doesn't effect YOU so screw your fellow Americans who are somehow "lessor than you".Contractors all around the country hire an illegal crew to roof a house. There are 10 American crews that compete in prices...the average $600 for the job. An illegal crew comes in and will bid it at $200 and split the cash profit among themselves 4 ways. 50 bucks each worker. Could you make a living making 50 dollars a day? They don't mind...more than they make in Mexico and they send the money back there to there families anyhow were there money goes further. Some folks live in never never land and think this isn't a problem..doesn't effect them and there families.......IT PUTS AMERICANS OUT OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING WAGE...Americans who have payed into the system all there lives.

American typical hand labor rates are about...13.00 dollars an hour...vs Mexicos...1.80

Average machine operator in America makes 17.00 an hour...In Mexico...3.00

Can Americans make a living...working ther ARSES off for 2 and 3 dollars an hour? Could you? How would you feel when they show up on you job site or place of work willing to work YOUR JOB for pennies on the dollar...leaving you with no way of making a living or support your family..something you have enjoyed doing and been doing for four generations of tradesmen in your faimly with pride? Same folks don't pay a bit of taxes or care less about the Country and came here ILLEGALLY?

People always talk this type stuff...until its THERE job on the line. They could care less about an American tradesmen simply looking to make a living...they are NOT getting rich. The lucky ones are simply getting by! Just looking to make a living at American standards of living. They work HARD and simply want enough money to have a little home, small family and a inexpensive weekend hobby. Unions are not a good thing ...but neither is ILLEGAL SLAVE LABOR competeing against American tradesmen and women. Throw them under the bus....close your eyes...but don't complain when its YOUR JOB and YOUR WAY of life that is threatened or totally destroyed:mad::mad: Everyone that talks this mess I hope it touches them the same way it touches many other American citizens who are out of work and there families struggle becuase of it. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: AGAIN ASK ANY CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR , if you don't mind talking with peasants :rolleyes:....and ask them for them straight scoop....if you can find a completely legal American crew in your area...there getting mighty scarce. :mad:
 
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Now I wonder if those thousand Mexican 18-wheelers presently cruising all over the U.S., as admitted by Bush on national TV, are 1,000 figments of my imagination.
 
1) if their is a threat of terrorist, the borders should be closed tightly, instead of plans to have mass travel.

2)a nation with no borders is no nation at all

3)The united states people desire to be a sovereign nation. We do not bow to the will of a Global society.

4)this is a part of the NAU, We want to be sovereign.

5)American citizens first, the elite are bypassing the peoples representation to further their Global goals, thus "the struggle of ideology".

I generally support such a highway, so long as a return on investment can be proven and there are strong inspections at the border. The more trade we do with other nations, the better off our economy is. Ron Paul supports free trade because the more trading we do, the better. Though complications come up about product toxicity, those may be solvable with inspections at the border.
 
I generally support such a highway, so long as a return on investment can be proven and there are strong inspections at the border. The more trade we do with other nations, the better off our economy is. Ron Paul supports free trade because the more trading we do, the better. Though complications come up about product toxicity, those may be solvable with inspections at the border.

This goes beyond "free trade". It fuses together 3rd world economy, laws, living standards, and work environment, with America. The laws overwrite American business and administrative law, eventually translating to an North american community, or union. Say goodbye to your constitution, because it will be usurped with a North American one, not accountable to the American people, but to the same people who are frothing for its fruition...think CFR. A borderless utopia won't exist, the constitution will not be the supreme law of the land.
 
Posted: September 10, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Official Mexican government reports reveal Mexico has entered discussions with the state of Texas and top officials in the Bush administration to extend the Trans-Texas Corridor into Mexico, with a plan to connect through Monterrey to the deep-water Mexican ports on the Pacific, including Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas.

Gov. Gonzales Paras and U.S. Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters at Transportes Olympic in February 2007.

The official website of the Mexican northeastern state of Nuevo León contain multiple reports that José Natividad Gonzáles Parás, governor of the Mexican state of Nuevo León, has actively discussed with numerous U.S. government officials, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the extension of the Trans-Texas Corridor into Mexico to create what's called a "Trans North America Corridor."


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Gov. Gonzales Paras and U.S. Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters at Transportes Olympic in February 2007.

In an August trip to Mexico, Perry made news in U.S. media by calling the idea of building a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border "idiocy."

Largely unreported in the American press were meetings Perry held in Mexico with Gonzáles Parás in which the two discussed extending the corridor into Mexico.

In their private meetings, the pair thoroughly discussed extending TTC-35 into Mexico, according to a report on the government's site.

Official Mexican government reports reveal Mexico has entered discussions with the state of Texas and top officials in the Bush administration to extend the Trans-Texas Corridor into Mexico, with a plan to connect through Monterrey to the deep-water Mexican ports on the Pacific, including Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas.

The official website of the Mexican northeastern state of Nuevo León contain multiple reports that José Natividad Gonzáles Parás, governor of the Mexican state of Nuevo León, has actively discussed with numerous U.S. government officials, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the extension of the Trans-Texas Corridor into Mexico to create what's called a "Trans North America Corridor."

In an August trip to Mexico, Perry made news in U.S. media by calling the idea of building a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border "idiocy."

Largely unreported in the American press were meetings Perry held in Mexico with Gonzáles Parás in which the two discussed extending the corridor into Mexico.

In their private meetings, the pair thoroughly discussed extending TTC-35 into Mexico, according to a report on the government's site.

In an interview prior to Perry's visit, Gonzáles Parás made it clear the extension of TTC-35 into Mexico would be a discussed during Perry's time there.

"We have had interaction with the governor of Texas," Gonzáles Parás said. "We have had a very productive relationship with Rick Perry, who is also interested in what we can do to continue that which is known as the Trans-Texas Corridor, that in reality is the corridor of North America, the Trans North America Corridor, that includes railroads, bridges, passenger automobile highways, and truck highway lanes."

Gonzáles Parás further explained the extension of TTC-35 into Mexico would connect through Monterrey, a city which he suggested would function as a hub for truck-freight traffic. Monterrey is the capital of Nuevo León.

"One of the themes that merited the most attention on the part of the two governors was the development of the infrastructure needed for the competitive development of the region as it relates to developing the Trans-Texas Corridor in connection with the project we call the Corridor of Northeastern Mexico," the Nuevo León government website reported Gonzáles Parás saying Sept. 1, at the conclusion of Perry's visit.

Gonzáles Parás is reportedly pursuing plans to establish Monterrey as an "inland port" where international container freight cargo, largely delivered into Mexico via the Mexican ports on the Pacific, could be transported via a Trans North America Corridor into the United States via Laredo, Texas.

Once on I-35, the Mexican trucks transporting the Chinese containers could travel north, heading toward U.S. inland ports, such as WND has previously reported are being established by the Free Trade Alliance San Antonio in San Antonio and in Kansas City by the Kansas City SmartPort.

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On May 24, Gonzáles Parás announced during his recent meetings in Austin, Perry had agreed the envisioned Trans North America Corridor would pass through Laredo and connect with San Antonio, just as Mexico ultimately planned to extend the superhighway south into Colombia.

"We have also worked in Monterrey to create an inland port, a metropolitan center for moving rapidly the commercial traffic from Monterrey to the inland port at San Antonio," Gonzáles Parás said in the state-published interview."For this strategic project to be accomplished, we have been working with the federal government in Mexico and well as holding discussions with the secretary of transportation and the secretary of state in the United States."

WND has previously reported similar comments made by Gonzáles Parás at a Feb. 22 press conference in Mexico that first announced Transportes Olympic had been selected as the first trucking firm to cross the border in the Mexican truck-demonstration project.

In speaking to the group assembled at the company's headquarters, Gonzáles Parás announced the Trans-Texas Corridor was not just the NAFTA Superhighway, but "the Logistical Trans-Corridor of North America," uniting Mexico, the United States and Canada.

He next announced the time had arrived to declare a North American Economic Community.

Gonzáles Parás explained the Trans-Texas Corridor was more accurately known in Mexico as the "Logistical Trans-Corridor of North America."

"I want to let you know how much we in this border state of Nuevo León have been working with our neighbor state of Texas," he said, "making agreements which permit us to enrich what in Texas is called the 'Trans-Texas Corridor,' but what we in Mexico know as the 'Logistical Corridor of North America.'"

"We – Canada, the United States and Mexico – have to perfect this Logistical Trans-Corridor of North America for our mutual benefit," Gonzáles Parás continued.

He expanded his vision of a Logistical Corridor of North America to include the construction of a train and truck corridor that would cut through the heart of North America.

WND has previously described as a new NAFTA Superhighway, the first segment of which is the planned four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor which the Texas Department of Transportation plans to build parallel to Interstate 35.

WND has also reported that at the recent Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) third summit held in Montebello, Quebec, President Bush and Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper ridiculed the idea that SPP might result in the creation of a North American Union or NAFTA Superhighways.

These reports in Spanish published on the Nuevo León government website suggest that discussions about extending TTC-35 into Mexico are much further advanced that have been admitted by the Bush administration or reported upon in the U.S. mainstream media.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57548

Thanks for posting that! The smoking gun in that article is this:

Gonzáles Parás said in the state-published interview. "For this strategic [NAFTA highway] project to be accomplished, we have been working with the federal government in Mexico and well as holding discussions with the secretary of transportation and the secretary of state in the United States."
http://www.nl.gob.mx/?Article=57562&ArtOrder=ReadArt&P=leerarticulo&Page=1
(Website in Spanish!)

Gonzáles Parás calls this project, "the Logistical Trans-Corridor of North America".
 
Can you believe Ron Paul would think this "I-69" thing is real? Wow, what a conspiracy nut.

I remember seeing I69 signs on I59 several years ago so to hear people say it isn't real is entertaining to say the least.

An Official State of Texas I69 sign isn't something you forget when you're 20ish.
 
sorry for my dumb question, but could someone please explain to me as a foreigner what exactly the problem with such a highway would be (other than with every other non privately owned road?)

The first problem is that there's no reason to lie about it. We can't even have a real conversation about the effects when the motives and methods are obscured.

Sorry, I don't wanna ruin this thread, I guess the question I really have is: How many here think that RPs "protect the border" means "from alien workers and goods". I always thought that it meant "from terrorists (and from terrorists only)".

First you protect the border. Then you can have conversations about who should be let in, how, and why.

As far as terrorists go... I think I've just decided that I'll refer to them as hobgoblins from here on out. There are obviously real terrorists, but I think 99% of them are imaginary. (certainly on US soil)
 
Plus, there are already customs in Kansas City--at the airport. Just because the freight would travel by road or rail instead of air does not mean our sovereignty is in jeopardy.

Clearing customs in Kansas City at the end of 1,000 miles of highway/railway running through Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri pretty well implies you are traveling in Mexican territory until you clear customs to enter the United States in Kansas City. Slightly different than flying into an airport.
 
You guys have got to understand the traffic situation in Central Texas before you criticize TxDOT for their shift towards tolling. I-35 through Austin is essentially a parking lot M-F between the hours of 7am and 8pm. Congestion is suffocating Texas cities.

I explained it in more detail in a previous post, but Texas barely has enough money to maintain our roads, let alone finance further infrastructure for increased capacity. This is killing the economy. Imagine the plight of Dell Computers, located in north Austin when trying to ship out products on congested highways.

It is not life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and transportation. Transportation is a commodity like everything else - it is not your right. Apply your same objections to universal health care to transportation. Though the dealings of the TTC have the inklings of crony capitalism, they are a shift towards capitalism nonetheless.

Yes there might be elite globalist organizations that support a "NAFTA Superhighway". But if you are a true libertarian, believe in free markets and free trade, you should have a slightly more open mind on this endeavor to solve our transportation woes (which is the primary focus of TxDOT, not some globalist agenda).

The conspiracy theories set forth by many on this topic are nothing but xenophobia. Even the Reason foundation, a bastion of libertarian thought embraces the TTC and discredits these conspiracy claims. Please think about the citizens of Central Texas when you hate on the TTC.
 
Patronus, This is not a Texas traffic issue.
This is a Mexico to Canada Issue.
This is a National sovereignty issue.
The link to TxDOT was only for the purpose of proof of existence
Some idiots have made the claim that there is no plan for a NAFTA superhighway.
 
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