CPAC under fire over gay conservative group

[Matt Collins]

SOURCE:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1110/CPAC_under_fire_over_gay_conservative_group.html

 

[JustinTime]

Eh... I have no problem with gays getting married, serving in the military, but people can associate politically or otherwise with the persons or groups of their choice. If some conservative group doesnt want to be around gays at CPAC, okey doke.

 

[TonySutton]

I sure am glad the Founding Fathers were able to put aside their differences to unite and fight for liberty. I hope these people wake up before it is too late!

 

[MRoCkEd]

I sure am glad the Founding Fathers were able to put aside their differences to unite and fight for liberty. I hope these people wake up before it is too late!

The founders weren't exactly "tolerant" of homosexuality, BUT that's a different discussion.

YouTube - Alexander McCobin at CPAC 2010
YouTube - Ryan Sorba Condemns CPAC For Inviting GOProud And Declares YAL's Jeff Frazee His Enemy

 

[sync]

Typically, the most homophobic people are self-hating, closet homosexuals. Good riddance. The last thing the republican party needs are a bunch of self-righteous, moral elitists... oh wait!

Seriously though, what a bunch of douche bags!

 

[FrankRep]

I sure am glad the Founding Fathers were able to put aside their differences to unite and fight for liberty. I hope these people wake up before it is too late!

What?


Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments

The Founders' Constitution
Volume 5, Amendment VIII, Document 10, 1778

Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.

But no one shall be punished for Polygamy who shall have married after probable information of the death of his or her husband or wife, or after his or her husband or wife hath absented him or herself, so that no notice of his or her being alive hath reached such person for 7. years together, or hath suffered the punishments before prescribed for rape, polygamy or sodomy.​

SOURCE:
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendVIIIs10.html

 

[Theocrat]

Taking a Moral Stance

The American Principles Project did the right thing by withdrawing from CPAC until groups like GOProud are gone. If the Republican Party keeps allowing groups like GOProud to be in their tent, they will lose more supporters as the years go on.

CPAC should have the same attitude towards GOProud that Congressman Paul had towards "Bruno":

YouTube - Ron Paul & Sasha Baron Cohen (Bruno)

 

[nobody's_hero]

I think that it's time for the GOP to stop thinking they should deny certain groups participation for the sake of keeping the 'old guard' around.

Did it ever occur to you, theocrat, that the vast majority of those who denounce GOPride et. al, are the same old fuddy-duddy folks who think John McCain is the best thing since machine-sliced bread? I know the type. GA GOP is full of them.

Hell yes, I'd like to get those people out of the party. We have to make room for liberty-lovers.

 

[GreenCardSeeker]

The homosexual activists will never care for conservatism, personal responsibility and limited government, so why cater to them? It's suicide for conservative organizations to try to appease them.

 

[TheTyke]

The whole thing is stupid... the bashing, drawing YAL into it, as well as a group specifically going to flaunt their "lifestyle." And we'd be stupid if we let ourselves get caught up in it, too...

 

[TonySutton]

Frank Cannon is being childish, he isn't going to play baseball if there is a queer on his team.

Ron Paul understands how important it is to work with like minded people to achieve a common goal. He worked with Dennis Kucinich and he even worked with the evil gay Barney Frank. Ron Paul did not mind that Kent Snyder was gay, if he did why would he choose him as his campaign manager.

@Theo - your attempt to smear gays by using youtube video of a straight actor attempting to embarass Ron Paul falls on deaf ears. If you feel your post was valid rebuttal I will start using Monty Pythons Flying Circus clips to rebut your religion based posts.

@Frank - I never said the Founding Fathers were favorable to gays. My point was and still is that if we can not put our differences aside to work for the common good we will never get anywhere! The First and Second Continental Congresses certainly had issues but they got past them and were able to coordinate their fight for freedom.

This reminds me of Joseph Galloway. He was the member of the First Continental Congress who proposed the Plan of Union and was supported by John Jay and Edward Rutledge. This plan was defeated by a vote of 6 to 5. Joseph Galloway went on to become a loyalist while John Jay become the first Chief Justice and Edward Rutledge went on to become the youngest signer of the Declaration of Independence and later Governor of South Carolina.

 

[pmbug]

The homosexual activists will never care for conservatism, personal responsibility and limited government, so why cater to them? It's suicide for conservative organizations to try to appease them.

That's bullshit. I know plenty of libertarian minded gay men who support fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility and limited government. The only thing holding them back from supporting the GOP financially or with votes is the stupid, bigoted "social conservative" aspect of the party.

IMO, "social conservative" is an oxymoron. You either believe in freedom, equality and limited government or you don't.

 

[specsaregood]

IMO, "social conservative" is an oxymoron. You either believe in freedom, equality and limited government or you don't.

Maybe that's why despite all the social cons, they manage to end up with blood-thirsty war-mongering gays elected under their banner and running their party.

 

[silentshout]

The GOP, if they keep doing stuff like this, will truly be a minority party in the future.

 

[erowe1]

Dear Ron Paul, and everyone associated with you,
Please don't get involved in some dispute between some pro-gay group and other conservatives and take the gay side. The last thing we need is for Republican primary voters to identify you with that agenda.

 

[Cowlesy]

To the American Conservative Union's credit, although of course there is a monetary aspect to it all, they did have a wide, wide band of groups at CPAC 2010. GOProud, YAF, John Birch, Sovereign Citizens, YAL, LOLA, C4L, Prison Fellowship, all sorts of groups.

What is there about which to be afraid? I don't agree with a lot Heritage Foundation puts out in regards to foreign policy, but that doesn't mean I am going to protest by not going to CPAC. That's pretty much letting the other side win.

I didn't think CPAC 2010 was a social or neo-con fest at all. There was a tempestuous sea of conservative ideas floating around. I wouldn't expect radical libertarians to enjoy as much as I do, but then again, it's the "Conservative" Political Action Conference. This APP group, by not attending, sends less of a message rather than going there and trying to meet new people. Poor strategy.

 

[TonySutton]

Dear Ron Paul, and everyone associated with you,
Please don't get involved in some dispute between some pro-gay group and other conservatives and take the gay side. The last thing we need is for Republican primary voters to identify you with that agenda.

What agenda?

According to GOProud's website:

We are conservatives who believe in limited government, individual liberty, free markets, a strong national defense and a confident foreign policy. We believe that every individual should be equal under the law.

and their federal legislative priorities are:

1 – TAX REFORM - Death tax repeal; domestic partner tax equity, and other changes to the tax code that will provide equity for gays and lesbians; cut in the capital gains and corporate tax rates to jump start our economy and create jobs; a fairer, flatter and substantially simpler tax code.

2 – HEALTHCARE REFORM – Free market healthcare reform. Legislation that will allow for the purchase of insurance across state lines – expanding access to domestic partner benefits; emphasizing individual ownership of healthcare insurance – such a shift would prevent discriminatory practices by an employer or the government.

3 – SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM - Bringing basic fairness to the Social Security system through the creation of inheritable personal savings accounts.

4 – DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL REPEAL – Repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy.

5 – HOLDING THE LINE ON SPENDING – Standing up for all tax payers against wasteful and unneccessary spending to protect future generations from the mounting federal debt.

6 – FIGHTING GLOBAL EXTREMISTS – Standing strong against radical regimes who seek to criminalize gays and lesbians.

7 – DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION – Opposing any anti-gay federal marriage amendment.

8 – ENCOURAGING COMMUNITY ENTREPRENEURSHIP – Package of free market reforms to encourage and support small businesses and entrepreneurship in the gay community.

9 – REVITALIZING OUR COMMUNITIES – A package of urban related reforms; expanding historic tax preservation credits; support for school choice.

10 – DEFENDING OUR COMMUNITY – Protecting 2nd amendment rights.

Although a few of these are tailored to the gay community several of their priorities would benefit domestic partnerships while others are universal in the conservative movement.

Why wouldn't you accept their help in getting our country back to a more sane place? Is it because they are icky?

 

[Agorism]

I bet GOP Proud people would help Paul get votes. I can't imagine them voting for Huckabee or Romney

 

[specsaregood]

What agenda?
According to GOProud's website:
and their federal legislative priorities are:

Why wouldn't you accept their help in getting our country back to a more sane place? Is it because they are icky?

I have no real problem with most of those other than:

6 – FIGHTING GLOBAL EXTREMISTS – Standing strong against radical regimes who seek to criminalize gays and lesbians.

It sounds like foreign interventionism to me. I guess it depends on how they define "standing strong".

 

[TonySutton]

I have no real problem with most of those other than:

6 – FIGHTING GLOBAL EXTREMISTS – Standing strong against radical regimes who seek to criminalize gays and lesbians.

It sounds like foreign interventionism to me. I guess it depends on how they define "standing strong".

That point of darkness is why I have never given them money.