Court hears case over gay wedding cake

[timosman]

What happened to the Judge?

He's afraid the same arguments will be used to discriminate against Italians.

 

[jkr]

...M'ERICA?...You will be forced to associate whether you like it or not. You don't want us to call you racist, do you?

maybe I dooo...tell me more...

 

[Madison320]

I hear that the ruling was due to the particulars of the case and had little to due with the fundamental discrimination issue.

That would be my guess. I can't imagine the SC ruling in favor of individual rights and against discrimination laws in general.

 

[angelatc]

This is pretty big news actually.

I have not been on the internet up to this point. Liberal heads must be exploding.

And it was 5-2? Wow.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Court ruling was narrow- focusing on how the bakers were treated by the justice system- not on how the customer was treated.

 

[angelatc]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/poli...do-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html

It appears that most of the lefties came over because the Colorado Commission behaved like a bunch of power-trippin' dickheads.

At one hearing, Kennedy stressed, commissioners repeatedly “endorsed the view that religious beliefs cannot legitimately be carried into the public sphere or commercial domain, implying that religious beliefs and persons are less than fully welcome in Colorado’s business community.” And at a later meeting, Kennedy pointed out, one commissioner “even went so far as to compare Phillips’ invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defenses of slavery and the Holocaust.” “This sentiment,” Kennedy admonished, “is inappropriate for a Commission charged with the solemn responsibility of fair and neutral enforcement of Colorado’s anti-discrimination law—a law that protects discrimination on the basis of religion as well as sexual orientation.” Moreover, Kennedy added, the commission’s treatment of Phillips’ religious objections was at odds with its rulings in the cases of bakers who refused to create cakes “with images that conveyed disapproval of same-sex marriage.”

Here, Kennedy wrote, Phillips “was entitled to a neutral decisionmaker who would give full and fair consideration to his religious objection as he sought to assert it in all of the circumstances in which this case was presented, considered, and decided.” Because he did not have such a proceeding, the court concluded, the commission’s order – which, among other things, required Phillips to sell same-sex couples wedding cakes or anything else that he would sell to opposite-sex couples and mandated remedial training and compliance reports – “must be set aside.”

The court's gonna do what the court's gonna do. I'm primarily interested in Gorsuch, because I have no idea what he's gonna do. I keep waiting for him to yank the football away, but this doesn't seem to be the case where he does that

In a concurring opinion joined by Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Neil Gorsuch pushed back against both the Ginsburg and the Kagan opinions. In his view, the different bakers’ cases – refusing to make cakes for a same-sex marriage and refusing to make cakes disparaging same-sex marriage – were, from a legal perspective, similar, and the commission was wrong to treat them differently just because it regarded Phillips’ beliefs as “offensive.” Using strong language, Gorsuch emphasized that, in the United States, “the place of secular officials isn’t to sit in judgment of religious beliefs, but only to protect their free exercise. Just as it is the ‘proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence’ that we protect speech that we hate, it must be the proudest boast of our free exercise jurisprudence that we protect religious beliefs that we find offensive.”

Justice Clarence Thomas wrote separately, in an opinion joined by Gorsuch, to address an issue that the court did not decide: whether an order mandating that Phillips bake cakes for same-sex weddings violates his right to free speech. In Thomas’ view, Phillips’ creation of custom wedding cakes is exactly the kind of “expressive” conduct protected by the First Amendment. Requiring Phillips to make such cakes for same-sex marriage, even when it will convey a message that “he believes his faith forbids,” violates his First Amendment rights.

via: http://www.scotusblog.com/2018/06/o...owly-for-baker-in-same-sex-wedding-cake-case/

 

[angelatc]

Court ruling was narrow- focusing on how the bakers were treated by the justice system- not on how the customer was treated.

Fuck the customer. It's the job of the business to make them happy, not the federal government.

And as noted above, the government didn't have any problem with people who made cakes disparaging same sex weddings. So like I said, fuck the customer. And I only said that because I'll get in trouble for saying what I want to say.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The USC just ruled in favor of the Baker. 7-2 Ruling.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What happened to the Judge?

Q U E E R S stick together.

Judge Swamp exposed himself as deepstate over Russiagate, I won't be surprised if he goes full statist now.

 

[dannno]

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in her dissent which was joined by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, argued that "when a couple contacts a bakery for a wedding cake, the product they are seeking is a cake celebrating their wedding -- not a cake celebrating heterosexual weddings or same-sex weddings -- and that is the service (the couple) were denied."

 

[dannno]

Q U E E R S stick together.

Judge Swamp exposed himself as deepstate over Russiagate, I won't be surprised if he goes full statist now.

He'll do what he needs to so that he appears neutral enough to get approved by congress for his Supreme Court nomination.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He'll do what he needs to so that he appears neutral enough to get approved by congress for his Supreme Court nomination.

He has gone far beyond that, I will be severely disappointed if DJTvsg nominates him for anything, he would turn into another Republican nominated justice that flips to voting psychotic liberal.

 

[H_H]

What happened to the Judge?
"I think it's a dangerous ruling"

Dangerous isn't always a bad thing.

 

[lilymc]

Yep, finally some good news.

 

[dannno]

He has gone far beyond that, I will be severely disappointed if DJTvsg nominates him for anything, he would turn into another Republican nominated justice that flips to voting psychotic liberal.

That is completely ridiculous. I know you haven't been here long, but the Judge has been a staple around here for over a decade and I think it's only been in the last year that I have seen anything that I wasn't on board with.. and I know why he is doing it. If he was "The Judge" on these recent issues then he wouldn't get approved after his nomination. Now he gets to appear neutral. It all started happening after his talks with Trump. It makes perfect sense. He knows he is on deck, so he is playing his swamp cards.

Trump isn't the only one who got a 4D chess set for Christmas a couple years ago.

 

[timosman]

That is completely ridiculous. I know you haven't been here long, but the Judge has been a staple around here for over a decade and I think it's only been in the last year that I have seen anything that I wasn't on board with.. and I know why he is doing it. If he was "The Judge" on these recent issues then he wouldn't get approved after his nomination. Now he gets to appear neutral. It all started happening after his talks with Trump. It makes perfect sense. He knows he is on deck, so he is playing his swamp cards.

Trump isn't the only one who got a 4D chess set for Christmas a couple years ago.

Where can you buy it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

That is completely ridiculous. I know you haven't been here long, but the Judge has been a staple around here for over a decade and I think it's only been in the last year that I have seen anything that I wasn't on board with.. and I know why he is doing it. If he was "The Judge" on these recent issues then he wouldn't get approved after his nomination. Now he gets to appear neutral. It all started happening after his talks with Trump. It makes perfect sense. He knows he is on deck, so he is playing his swamp cards.

Trump isn't the only one who got a 4D chess set for Christmas a couple years ago.

He is going too far, he was either a deep sleeper or he sold out.

 

[timosman]

He is going too far, he was either a deep sleeper or he sold out.

Deep sleeper. He got a good deal for himself and the kids.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

Adding the Judge to the bench would make Gorsuch look like RBG

 

[Swordsmyth]

Adding the Judge to the bench would make Gorsuch look like RBG

Or make RBG look like Gorsuch.