Could the US be facing war crimes investigation?

[AmericaFyeah92]

so what you are saying is it is fine to be prosecuted in the international court if your NOT an American?...milosivic(a war criminal and there is ample evidence) was tried in the court just because the US pursued the case ...yet Saddam was NOT brought to the International court?....why because he would divulge secrets?....and I will never buy that the iraqi govt and people wanted him to be tried in the country because seriously who listens to them....besides their courts were NOT even independant as the judge had previous victimization by sadam....all im saying is there should be one standard and not a different one when you are the Largest military power....that is what breeds hatred in this world towards the county apart from the other things....
btw what do you intend to do with the mugabe's, musharrafs, king of saudi arabia, and the cohorts for their dictatorship but thats a seperate issue....

I am against international courts. people who are the victims of these monsters should be the ones to try/convict them, not some vague, corrupt entity like the UN. Thats how the Iraqi people dealt with their tyrant, and i say power to them. If we have a problem with Bush/Cheney, we should have the balls to take care of it ourselves.

care to explain why?.....or were you being sarcastic as I am not good at detecting it....is it because they are 20?...or because they are "our"...american soldiers..tell me if a 20 yr old would kill or rape another national in another country what would happen?...why does being an american soldier give you immunity.....a murder is a murder irrespective of nationality..like i said again the only reason bush cheney got away and will get away is because of the middle america patriotism where no american can do wrong....and everything will be fine if we hoist a flag outside our house to show our "defiance"....unless we change that atitude the country will remain embroiled in illegal conflicts and garner hate from the world....



why should a vital fact be avoided ....is it because its very hard to take in?...

"Middle American Patriotism" is what has defined this country, and defended it throughout this history, friend. And implying that our soldiers go overseas and rape is fucking ridiculous. The only slightly valid war crimes accusation against American troops since Vietnam was Abu Ghraib.

I am against the war as much as anyone here, but blaming these kid troops who want to do the right thing is reprehensible. They didn't choose this shit, and they are a lot braver than any of us computer dweebs who argue on the internet.

But holding the policy-makers accountable is a different matter. I say sooner the better

 

[american empire]

"Middle American Patriotism" is what has defined this country, and defended it throughout this history, friend. And implying that our soldiers go overseas and rape is fucking ridiculous. The only slightly valid war crimes accusation against American troops since Vietnam was Abu Ghraib.

I think the people around can give you an answer for the statement... i would wish not to because you might think that i will be personally attacking you....but ill say this when Ron quoted "iffascism comes to america it will be an american flag wraped in a cross" or something of the sort... i perfectly understand what he meant....again our boys can do no "wrong"..."slightly valid war crimes" now thats one way of not thinking of rape and murder of a couple of people is "slight"...try explaining it to the raped girls parents or the murdered families relatives....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5529884

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hearing...ing_14_year_old_Iraqi_girl_before_killing_her

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...f-rape-killings/2006/07/01/1151174441416.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ops-took-turns-to-rape-iraqi-girl-410977.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/19/u_s_war_crimes_in_fallujah

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/25/usint11776.htm

http://www.workers.org/2008/us/winter_soldier_0327/

but i guess this is "slight" in your opinion...

"Middle American Patriotism" is what has defined this country, and defended it throughout this history, friend

if you mean defended the vietnam war and the the iraq war..then I agree 100 % with you...

They didn't choose this shit, and they are a lot braver than any of us computer dweebs who argue on the internet.

sorry to burst the patriotic bubble or whatever indoctrination you have received or the OD of fox news...just because you wear the uniform and strap a gun does not make you brave....
id rather choose whatever shit I get into rather and be a fool than be "brave" so that someone could send me to kill people to increase their personal fortunes.....by your statement everyone should be glad to have the draft...that would mean every one would get a chance to be "brave"...besides i should get a purple heart for checking on my patients with the deadly MRSA....but then again id swap that medal for the big figure i earn vs the deplorable salary of the soldier....its sad that the soldier is made to believe the medal will heal all his problems when the sum of money paid for his services is shit...but thats the reason why they want us to call them brave to compensate for their paltry wages...so my dear friend keep living in tghat bubble and good luck ....

btw i dont get protection if i murder or rape someone because im a doc and save lives...a crime is a crime...unless of course i dont fit the "brave" category...

 

[Mr. Coolidge]

I think letting an international body play the highest judge in something like this sets bad precedent. Completely destroys the function and purpose of our Supreme Court. Of course it would be a lot easier to get a prison sentence (probably even more...) from an international group, but the government-criminals should be tried within the laws of these United States.

so what you are saying is it is fine to be prosecuted in the international court if your NOT an American?...

It isn't fine--I stand against it also, on principle, and agree with you that it's an obvious double standard only possible thanks to our Empire's power--but we can't change it now. Milosevic probably should have been brought to trial in Serbia, just as Hussein was brought to trial in Iraq.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Henry Kissinger is WANTED in like 5-6 countries for War Crimes, Genocide, Holocausts, etc....


if you need to view UK/US/CHINESE blocked/censored sites/videos.... switch your IP to a PROXY SERVER in that country...

GOOGLE: HIDE IP

 

[american empire]

Henry Kissinger is WANTED in like 5-6 countries for War Crimes, Genocide, Holocausts, etc....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815881561030958784

a very good documentary regarding him....

might even want to search negroponte's past....

It isn't fine--I stand against it also, on principle, and agree with you that it's an obvious double standard only possible thanks to our Empire's power--but we can't change it now. Milosevic probably should have been brought to trial in Serbia, just as Hussein was brought to trial in Iraq.

i agree with you to a certain degree....the problem is that the Iraqi courts were not independent and everyone should be given a fair trial...but what i agree on is that it isnt our buisness to give him that trial... but the double standard of making him pay for justice without revealing who else was involved in supplying materials for the kurd genocide and list of communist members who went "missing" is a farce....

 

[constituent]

I consider them criminals as well, but I'm no great fan of international courts. The American People, once properly informed, will be able to mete out justice.

+100,000 (at least)

 

[constituent]

we need to avoid international courts.

handle it like the iraqi people handled their tyrant, saddam.

as for trying our SOLDIERS for war crimes, absolutely not. I would be enraged if these 20-year-old kids were put on trial.

in fact, shouldn't we be avoiding this altogether? we are supposed to be a peaceful revolution.

 

[Mr. Coolidge]

i agree with you to a certain degree....the problem is that the Iraqi courts were not independent and everyone should be given a fair trial...but what i agree on is that it isnt our buisness to give him that trial... but the double standard of making him pay for justice without revealing who else was involved in supplying materials for the kurd genocide and list of communist members who went "missing" is a farce....

That is the hard part, unfortunately: how to get a fair trial.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

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[constituent]

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[hawaiisb]

I am against international courts. people who are the victims of these monsters should be the ones to try/convict them, not some vague, corrupt entity like the UN. Thats how the Iraqi people dealt with their tyrant, and i say power to them. If we have a problem with Bush/Cheney, we should have the balls to take care of it ourselves.

Saddam was an Iraqi that caused warcrimes against Iraqi's, so he could be tried by Iraqi's in Iraq without international law.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

Saddam was an Iraqi that caused warcrimes against Iraqi,s so he could be tried by Iraqi's in Iraq without international law. What are you saying about Bush? He commited warcrimes against Iraqi's. So how can the victims in Iraq get any trial, like you say they should, if these trials are only allowed to be by US citizens in the US. Or are you saying that Bush ect should be taken to Iraq for a non-international trial but a strictly Iraqi trial.

honestly, i don't care much about what the Iraqis think. This is about reclaiming America and the constitution, not going around pleasing everybody in the world.

 

[american empire]

honestly, i don't care much about what the Iraqis think. This is about reclaiming America and the constitution, not going around pleasing everybody in the world.

it is exactly this kind of thinking that gets us in trouble....we don't care what the world thinks...who the heck is going to give us the freaking oil and buy our products....the world is important and we should stop acting like bullies thinking we can press our policies on them and not give a shit when it comes to listening to hearing their side....sounds like bush talking except from the constitution part....

 

[timosman]

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