Cops seize legal guns, neighbors say it's "too many".

[oyarde]

He did have too many. He should have been sharing them with the neighbors.

He may indeed shared with his neighbors if he was asked, he is probably , now , wishing that his neighbors are more like that instead of what he has.

 

[Kylie]

He did have too many. He should have been sharing them with the neighbors.

This is more along my line of thinking.


I sure wish this guy was my neighbor, because when the shit goes down, I know whose house to go to in order to protect the neighborhood.

 

[jclay2]

Does anyone have any suspicions about this anonymous call in of a burglary? Are we really expected to believe that there was someone there trying to break in to this old man's house? Isn't it possible that cops saw that this man had 300 guns and wanted an excuse to go hunting for an indictment of some sort? If I had to guess, I bet the cops knew that the man was gone and saw it as an opportune moment to call in a burglary, so they could go and "protect" (search and seize) his property.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Does anyone have any suspicions about this anonymous call in of a burglary? Are we really expected to believe that there was someone there trying to break in to this old man's house? Isn't it possible that cops saw that this man had 300 guns and wanted an excuse to go hunting for an indictment of some sort? If I had to guess, I bet the cops knew that the man was gone and saw it as an opportune moment to call in a burglary, so they could go and "protect" (search and seize) his property.

I'm surprised the 'burglary' call hasn't received much attention in this thread.

I don't find it suspicious though, or that there was any sort of conspiracy involved.

I do think that it is entirely plausible that the neighbors wanted something done about all the guns the guy had, couldn't think of anything that would get the cops to just go in on a complaint about a 'guy having too many guns,' so they made up some bullshit fake burglary 911 call (which is illegal) to get cops to check the place out.

The cops arrived, got a case of "tunnel vision"—still thinking they were in "crime-fighting mode,"—one thing led to another, and they snatched up the guns without a warrant.

The guns should be returned, and whoever made the 911 call should be issued a citation (or whatever the penalty for false 911 reports is in that jurisdiction).

 

[Dr.3D]

I'm surprised the 'burglary' call hasn't received much attention in this thread.

I don't find it suspicious though, or that there was any sort of conspiracy involved.

I do think that it is entirely plausible that the neighbors wanted something done about all the guns the guy had, couldn't think of anything that would get the cops to just go in on a complaint about a 'guy having too many guns,' so they made up some bullshit fake burglary 911 call (which is illegal) to get cops to check the place out.

The cops arrived, got a case of "tunnel vision"—still thinking they were in "crime-fighting mode,"—one thing led to another, and they snatched up the guns without a warrant.

The guns should be returned, and whoever made the 911 call should be issued a citation.

Well, there was no search warrant. A search warrant must state what is being searched for. If there is no search warrant, then I can't see how they can legally take anything from the home.

At best, a door or window would have to have been open or broken for the police to even be able legally to enter the home.

Essentially, I see a case of illegal search and seizure here.

 

[oyarde]

I'm surprised the 'burglary' call hasn't received much attention in this thread.

I don't find it suspicious though, or that there was any sort of conspiracy involved.

I do think that it is entirely plausible that the neighbors wanted something done about all the guns the guy had, couldn't think of anything that would get the cops to just go in on a complaint about a 'guy having too many guns,' so they made up some bullshit fake burglary 911 call (which is illegal) to get cops to check the place out.

The cops arrived, got a case of "tunnel vision"—still thinking they were in "crime-fighting mode,"—one thing led to another, and they snatched up the guns without a warrant.

The guns should be returned, and whoever made the 911 call should be issued a citation (or whatever the penalty for false 911 reports is in that jurisdiction).

My bet would be next door as well.

 

[paulpwns]

Slutter's attempt to derail fails again...

LOOOOSER ( in Ace Ventura voice)

 

[nobody's_hero]

Essentially, I see a case of illegal search and seizure here.

Certainly. Whoever the ranking officer was who made the decision to seize the weapons should be demoted and those who took part in it need a good ass chewing/suspension/etc.

That's not likely to happen unless a lot of people flood the mayor's office with calls, though.

 

[Volitzer]

Authoritarian haplophobic gun grabber !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sailingaway]

Does it say what gave them probable cause to enter the house to begin with?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I hate the police and busy-bodied tyrant neighbors.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No such thing as too many.

FTW!!

 

[oyarde]

Certainly. Whoever the ranking officer was who made the decision to seize the weapons should be demoted and those who took part in it need a good ass chewing/suspension/etc.

That's not likely to happen unless a lot of people flood the mayor's office with calls, though.

Yes , I do not think this will stand up to any scrutiny at all.

 

[VirginiaRising]

So let me get this straight....

Local police can do whatever they want now. At least to the private citizen...

Did I get it right?

 

[pcosmar]

Glad to see most of the folks here "get it".

couple of thoughts though,
Hoarder??? How about collector. But then in the Stazi mentality, anyone that has more than they can immediately use of anything is a "hoarder". Food, Gas, survival supplies etc.

The second thing is Who made the call about a burglar?
Was there really a call? Or was there any evidence that there was a crime at all?
Or was this orchestrated by someone with a motive? A grudge or unfounded fear?

Lastly, regardless of how this began,,The police have no business nor right to seize property unless court ordered after due process.
that IS the bottom line.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Does it say what gave them probable cause to enter the house to begin with?

Perhaps if the house appeared to have been broken into (of which details are missing from the story), then officers might have been justified to investigate further. When they started snatching up guns, they committed an unlawful seizure. —Unless they actually believe that a burglar entered the man's house and left 300 guns all over the place, which would be a silly conclusion to come to, in any case. It's a stretch for the deputy police chief to call these guns "evidence" in a burglary case. If so, I wish somebody like that would rob my house.

There are a lot of details missing from this story, the more I consider it.

 

[Golding]

If the police want to make arrests on a burglary, they ought to start with arresting themselves. Does a neighbor have the right to grant permission of entry to someone else's property? I suspect they don't. Did the police have a warrant to enter or to confiscate any property?

The best question to ask is "How many is too many?"
The police will likely BS the question, but the only true answer is on the first page of this thread. There's no such thing.

 

[Dr.3D]

The only burglary that took place in this case was when the cops stole the mans guns.

 

[Legend1104]

So... the guys home was broken into and the thief didn't take enough stuff.... so... the police came and finished the job??? Is that about right?

 

[Rael]

If you wanted to shoot someone, would it be easier holding one gun in your hand, or trying to hold a dozen?