Convincing others of NAU

LiveBold said:
And don't get me wrong guys. I've donated about $300 to ron paul. I got all my family and friends interested in him. I love his message. Particularly his views on the IRS, drug war, and diplomacy(we cannot police the world by starting wars).

But the bottom line is that we as a nation and a world of people will get exactly what we deserve. And right now the universe doesn't think we are ready for Ron Paul. But Barack Obama might just allow us to find a middle ground for now. One with less war and enough change to represent that which is in our hearts.

that's all i got. I'm just tired of all the ron paul supporters being so fearful. And I'm sure you've heard it a million times, but...

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.
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No one thinks anything about Ron Paul because they havent been allowed to see the truth because of the MSM blackout. I just wish the American people were given a real choice like the Goldwater/LBJ race.

Barack Obama's "middle ground" is not middle at all. He voted to renew the patriot act and his plan for Iraq involves a permanent presence there. He is just another tool of the establishment.
 
LiveBold said:
i haven't read much on the NAU. I come from the mindset that anything that equals the playing field and allows the mexican people to have a better chance at prosperity is a good thing as long as it doesn't upset the whole too much..

So, tell me my friend, what exactly should I be worried about in regards to the NAU plans?

Cuz right now, I'm not worried about it and I think it would be an amazing thing if we could some how improve the standard of living in mexico.
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watch this:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

If this doesn't open your eyes then I'm afraid you are blind.
 
A Ron Paul Rebel said:
watch this:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

If this doesn't open your eyes then I'm afraid you are blind.
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while i believe that zeitgeist has some good credible info, i also believe that alot of it is fear based junk that will NEVER come to pass. so that movie holds no weight with me whatsoever and frankly i'm tired of people referencing in an attempt to support their doom based predictions.
 
I am a U.S. Citizen!

All 2008 presidential candidates are members of the prestigious cabal called the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), except a few. "We the People of the United States of America", are headed towards a one world government, if the members of the CFR have their way. The old NAFTA treaty, the CAFTA treaty, and the recently implemented Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) are stepping stones towards a "New World Order"(NWO).

The hidden agenda of the CFR is to further diminish U.S. sovereignty, in order to foster free trade, which will benefit the owners of large multi-national corporations. The late Mr. Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote in the August 1995 edition of Foreign Affairs, "In defense of the world order ... U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die".

Today the European Union (EU) consists of 27 states, except Switzerland. On March 4, 2001 the Swiss voted on March 4, 2001 with a 77.3% majority to remain Swiss citizens, and not join the EU. The new EU Constitution has only been fully ratified by 16 of the 27 states.

I stand together with the proud Swiss, and prefer to remain a citizen of my own country, rather than a citizen of a supranational union. I like our present form of government established by the U.S. Constitution, and our liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
 
princessredtights said:
there is a lot of information on www.jbs.org .

My concern is how the NAU will erode our sovereignty and end up nullifying the Constitution.
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Unfortunately they've shat all over the constitution already. so the NAU won't further erode what already has been eroded/destroyed/nullified and used as toilet paper by the last few generations of leaders in washington.
 
LiveBold said:
Unfortunately they've shat all over the constitution already. so the NAU won't further erode what already has been eroded/destroyed/nullified and used as toilet paper by the last few generations of leaders in washington.
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Are you talking to people loyal to the constitution or globalist liberals?
 
Can you not see even right now that the intention is to bring DOWN the American standard of living? There is no plan to increase anyone's standard of living. They think our affluence is the problem. We consume too much and use too much gasoline and even though they tax us to death and redistribute our wealth, ( I have no wealth-just getting by, but they keep taking from me anyway), it still is not enough. Now they must make us poor also and take our jobs and our property. In return we must take the RFID or we will not be allowed to buy and sell, ride a plane or highway, enter a public building.

The mass immigration alone has and continutes to deplete our resources, close hospitals, crowd the prisons further and now in California, they are hiring no-English-speaking Mexicans. If even one does not speak English, they fire the Firemen's foreman if he cannot speak Spanish. What is wrong with this picture?

Look around you. Only a person who cannot see or hear or think could not see what is going on.
 
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No one said anything about fear but you. So are you scared?

We just try to make people think about what is going on around us. If you do not want to think, no one can help you.
 
At least the Swiss were allowed to vote. Here in America we will not be given that opportunity.

Sounds upside down or twisted. America not allowed to vote?
 
I hate to say it but Livebold reminds me of Xerxes messenger to King Leonitis at the beginning of 300.

I got three words for you...

THIS IS SPARTA!!
 
Check out what the JBS has to say on this topic -

www.jbs.org


Also, they have a new video (I think it's on their youtube channel) where they adapted (with permission, of course) a documentary from Britian, where the EU was exposed for what it really is (loss of sovereignty, loads of bureaucrazy ,
etc - sort of an appeal to British to persuade the Queen from signing the final documents) ... the JBS is using it as an educational video to say "see what's coming?"
 
For those of you who think we "need" to improve the lives of the Mexicans, you really are out of touch. Mexico is fucked because its corrupt to the core. That is why they are all coming here. Sending them money will do nothing but strengthen the drug cartels and other crime down there. The only way Mexico will get any better is for the people down there to rise up and overthrow their government. But people are like water. They will take the path of least resistance. It's much easier to sneak across the US border illegally than it is to fix Mexico.

Letting them come here illegally is NOT the answer. About 10% of them are violent criminals. Many of them have diseases that we haven't seen in this country in decades. If you do a job that can be done by an illegal, guess what. You will be replaced! The Mexican that will replace you is perfectly fine with living in a hut made of plywood. Can you compete with that? I don't think so. You're standard of living has already suffered. Hospitals around the country are closing because they can't stay in business when they have to treat people from Mexico who can't pay. The US Government does a crappy job of reimbursing the hospitals, and when they reimburse the hospitals, their paying for it with YOUR MONEY!

I was just out near the border (I'm a Minuteman) and I saw about 60 Illegal Aliens enter the US in a 6 hour period. Not one of them was caught by the Border Patrol. How many of them are criminals? How many have off the wall diseases? How many are not Mexicans, and are instead from nation that is known for having terrorists in it? THIS is why we cannot allow people to come here illegally.

Try sneaking into Mexico if you think illegal immigration is so wonderful. See what happens when you get caught. Do you think Mexico will give you free health care, welfare, and welcome you? Think again. You'll be doing some serious time in a Mexican prison, and you WONT have HBO like the prisons here do.

No sane nation on earth that wants to keep it's standard of living allows people to just wander across their border. This country used to require everyone that came here be screened for diseases, make sure they don't have a criminal background, have some decent skills the country needed and have some money saved that they can live on while they searched for a job.

Do you really think we needs tons of people to "do the jobs American's won't do"? What about all the people we have on welfare? They reason American's won't do those jobs is because we reward laziness with a government paycheck, paid for with the tax dollars of those who do work.
 
Here is some of my research into the impending NAU:

Look first at the website of Arizona State University: http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/

Then look at the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America:
http://www.spp.gov/report_to_leaders...ort_to_leaders

Here is an interview with a senior vice-president of a prestigious international investment firm regarding the new common currency for America, Canada, and mexico.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jdQxDC7pA


Here is a clip from CNN commentator Lou Dobbs on the NAU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2io0iJOncc


From there, look at a study that was done by a task force from the Council on Foreign Relations:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/...community.html

Building a North American Community- Report of the Independent Task Force:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8138/...community.html

Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7914/...y_by_2010.html

At this point, a short bio on Robert Pastor (reputed as being the architect of the NAU) would be suggested.

Meet Robert Pastor:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16189

Robert Pastor is a director at American University, here is what he is "directing":

Center for North American Studies:
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/index.cfm

Here is a book he has written-
Toward A North American Community: Lessons from the Old World for the New

http://bookstore.petersoninstitute.o...store/331.html

Here is a model for a North American Parliament: http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/fina/pr....asp?count=eng

FINA-NAFI - The North American Forum on Integration:

http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/triumvirat07/

This is the corridor being used to open our borders with trade-NASCO's Inland Ports Network:
http://www.nascocorridor.com/pages/p...ts_network.htm

Here is info on the mexican owned distribution center in Kansas City where all those mexican truckers will go:

http://www.kcsmartport.com/pdf/SmtPrtOneRoute.pdf



Below is an article that puts favorable light on the integration of mexico with america- HISPANICTrends.com - March/April 2006 - Regional Report

http://www.hispaniconline.com/trends...nal/index.html

Here is a report done by a mexican official regarding the integration. It is lengthy but worth reading, especially starting at "The fly in the ointment' segment". Apparently not all Mexicans are gung -ho about this-

IRC Americas Program | Trinational Elites Map North American Future in "NAFTA:

http://americas.irc-online.org/am/386

Here is an article by a Canadian paper regarding a recent meeting with Chertoff and Rice. Canadians aren't thrilled with this either:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../09/c6604.html

This is the resolution to stop the SPP/NAU/NAFTA that has been introduced into legislation by Congressman Virgil Goode - H.CON.RES.40:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...:H.CON.RES.40:

This is a list of the States and their links to legislation to stop the SPP/NAU/NAFTA:

http://www.stopthenau.org/Current_Activities.htm

Here is a link to PRO-NAU organizations, etc:

http://www.amerocurrency.com/naulinks.html

This is an article about the ranchers in Texas who stand to lose their lands over the proposed Trans-Texas Corridor:
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/5102_0_4_0_C/

Here is a timeline dating back to 1921 when the decision was made to begin the consolidation of world governments because after all, that is what this is really all about.

http://www.stopthenau.org/Downloads_...eline_Rel2.pdf
 
OddballAZ said:
For those of you who think we "need" to improve the lives of the Mexicans, you really are out of touch. Mexico is fucked because its corrupt to the core. That is why they are all coming here. Sending them money will do nothing but strengthen the drug cartels and other crime down there. The only way Mexico will get any better is for the people down there to rise up and overthrow their government. But people are like water. They will take the path of least resistance. It's much easier to sneak across the US border illegally than it is to fix Mexico.

Letting them come here illegally is NOT the answer. About 10% of them are violent criminals. Many of them have diseases that we haven't seen in this country in decades. If you do a job that can be done by an illegal, guess what. You will be replaced! The Mexican that will replace you is perfectly fine with living in a hut made of plywood. Can you compete with that? I don't think so. You're standard of living has already suffered. Hospitals around the country are closing because they can't stay in business when they have to treat people from Mexico who can't pay. The US Government does a crappy job of reimbursing the hospitals, and when they reimburse the hospitals, their paying for it with YOUR MONEY!

I was just out near the border (I'm a Minuteman) and I saw about 60 Illegal Aliens enter the US in a 6 hour period. Not one of them was caught by the Border Patrol. How many of them are criminals? How many have off the wall diseases? How many are not Mexicans, and are instead from nation that is known for having terrorists in it? THIS is why we cannot allow people to come here illegally.

Try sneaking into Mexico if you think illegal immigration is so wonderful. See what happens when you get caught. Do you think Mexico will give you free health care, welfare, and welcome you? Think again. You'll be doing some serious time in a Mexican prison, and you WONT have HBO like the prisons here do.

No sane nation on earth that wants to keep it's standard of living allows people to just wander across their border. This country used to require everyone that came here be screened for diseases, make sure they don't have a criminal background, have some decent skills the country needed and have some money saved that they can live on while they searched for a job.

Do you really think we needs tons of people to "do the jobs American's won't do"? What about all the people we have on welfare? They reason American's won't do those jobs is because we reward laziness with a government paycheck, paid for with the tax dollars of those who do work.
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I'm on the executive council for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. California Chapter. Nice to meet another minuteman!
 
Deborah K said:
I'm on the executive council for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. California Chapter. Nice to meet another minuteman!
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Cool! Nice to meet you! I'm in AZ. Also a member of the MCDC. Last weekend was my first time. I plan on going again next month.

And thanks for those links above. I need some help in convincing a friend of mine. But he also voted for Romney so he is probably beyond help and I'm probably just wasting my time.
 
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I just ran across some interesting pages.
I was looking for some Quotes by Henry Kissinger, but found this in my search.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=24691

Background on the WWICS

The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, established in 1968, functions as a roundtable for globalist policy making and discussion. The current director of the WWICS is Lee H. Hamilton, former vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission. Interestingly, the center enjoys the financial support of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Ford Foundation. Members of the Council on Foreign Relations and other globalists such as Thomas F. McLarty - from Kissinger-McLarty Associates - often contribute to WWICS round table discussions and conferences.
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http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker news/globalist_think_tank.htm
"This is how we will create a North American consciousness and a true North American Community. It will be forged in the heat of conflict, not through a rational discussion, as painful as that may be. It really cannot happen any other way." - Bruce Stokes, CFR Senior Fellow, speaking at the "Toward a North American Community?" conference, June 11, 2002
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It might ge a good place to spend some time in research. Lots of links to other articles.
 
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