Convincing others of NAU

Zarxrax

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I often argue with people trying to convince them that the North American Union isn't just a conspiracy theory. Now, I've read a ton of material on it, so I know whats going on. Problem is, whenever I want to try and show these things to others, I always have trouble finding the data that I need.

Is there any single source that has a large collection of links or information all in one place?
 
i haven't read much on the NAU. I come from the mindset that anything that equals the playing field and allows the mexican people to have a better chance at prosperity is a good thing as long as it doesn't upset the whole too much..

So, tell me my friend, what exactly should I be worried about in regards to the NAU plans?

Cuz right now, I'm not worried about it and I think it would be an amazing thing if we could some how improve the standard of living in mexico.
 
How do you propose that the standard of living in Mexico is going to be raised? By sending them subsidies of our tax dollars? By sending them our jobs?

A North American Union threatens the sovereignty of our nation. When the USA has to report to a higher authority, our laws and freedoms don't mean much.
 
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Cuz right now, I'm not worried about it and I think it would be an amazing thing if we could some how improve the standard of living in mexico.

It would not improve the standard of living in Mexico, but instead lower our standard of living to what Mexico now has.
 
all i'm hearing from you anti-NAU people is variations of this:

"it's bad"
"it's wrong"
"mexicans don't deserve it"

It seems that all you guys seem to be able to do is quote that Zeitgeist movie. Which is a highly fear based movie that does nothing to enlighten anyone but rather only attempts to scare people.

SO,

I want to know what has been proposed in the NAU plans that is a legitimate threat to united states citizens.

If you guys know anything, you know that most citizens of this country would not stand for a lower standard of living. If the apple cart gets too upset there will be full scale revolt in this country.

This forum is SO FEAR BASED. Everyone of you people are so PARANOID. Get over yourselves. Study some metaphysics, some other religions, universal laws, etc...

Karma is real. The american people will never suffer greatly. We are a nation of great people with great positive energy. And the only thing that I see happening is continued evolution. Not the armageddon and end of days nonsense that you all are purporting.
 
i don't know man. that video does nothing for me. I'm just not afraid of the "new world order" boogeyman like you all.

not afraid of it one bit. uniting the world might just be what we need to evolve as a species. it would work to stamp out third world conditions and bring an end to ignorance all over the globe. I'm all for uniting us as a people. It's never been done before and my soul is tired of countless lifetimes of warring.
 
i don't know man. that video does nothing for me. I'm just not afraid of the "new world order" boogeyman like you all.

not afraid of it one bit. uniting the world might just be what we need to evolve as a species. it would work to stamp out third world conditions and bring an end to ignorance all over the globe. I'm all for uniting us as a people. It's never been done before and my soul is tired of countless lifetimes of warring.

you have no clue.
 
i don't know man. that video does nothing for me. I'm just not afraid of the "new world order" boogeyman like you all.

not afraid of it one bit. uniting the world might just be what we need to evolve as a species. it would work to stamp out third world conditions and bring an end to ignorance all over the globe. I'm all for uniting us as a people. It's never been done before and my soul is tired of countless lifetimes of warring.

Just who is in control of this NWO?

Remember, absolute power corrupts absolutely!
 
Also, another point i want to make.

If you hold the belief that there is a group of elite illuminati types running things on this planet. That they've been doing it for generations. Passing along info from one generation to the next. The secrets of successfully molding reality as they see fit.

I mean really. What is more scary. Beheading gays and killing someone for speaking freely.

Or Uniting the world so that those types of things don't exist. A one world govt with equal laws for all is the way of the future. I'm sorry guys. You are resisting something that is going to happen.
 
Also, another point i want to make.

If you hold the belief that there is a group of elite illuminati types running things on this planet. That they've been doing it for generations. Passing along info from one generation to the next. The secrets of successfully molding reality as they see fit.

I mean really. What is more scary. Beheading gays and killing someone for speaking freely.

Or Uniting the world so that those types of things don't exist. A one world govt with equal laws for all is the way of the future. I'm sorry guys. You are resisting something that is going to happen.

I personally know it is going to happen.
I have no doubt in my mind!
 
LiveBold, I don't typically like reposting things, so instead I'll link to a good thread on this...
Check out http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115546
Someone there was being very antagonistic toward the people who fear an NAU, so I made this post to explain exactly why a North American Union is so utterly terrifying:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1240396&postcount=17

The key takeaway here is this: At the very best, a North American Union would result in a loss of our sovereignty to an unelected body of officials that we have no control over, much like formerly sovereign European countries have lost their sovereignty to the EU, and they're now pretty much helpless against its mandates. At the worst (and this probably won't happen right away, but it's likely to happen eventually), it would be the ultimate, official death of the US Constitution.

The whole, "Why are these silly people so afraid of Mexicans?" thing is a straw-man argument meant to make opposition to the NAU look ridiculous and divert attention from the real issue: Loss of sovereignty. The more centralized government becomes, the more tyrannical and unaccountable to the people it becomes...and really, a North American Union is the last step before one-world government, which may start out all "nice and fuzzy" but will ultimately and inevitably become the absolute pinnacle of tyranny.
(That said, even if we disregard the real issue of sovereignty loss, there actually are some economic reasons why merging with Mexico and Canada would be beneficial for large corporations, would destroy America and Canada's standard of living, and would not help Mexicans much at all. I briefly elaborated on some of these in the other thread I linked to.)

EDIT: Ah, but I see you want a one-world government...your desire is a foolish one, for the reasons I stated above, although you're probably right that it will happen...centralization is not only inefficient (because there's no competition between policies), and it not only makes it impossible for everyone to live the way they like (because of one-size-fits-all government), but the farther away from the people government becomes, the more unaccountable it becomes. Even more importantly, the more centralized power becomes, the more power-hungry and authoritarian people will seek positions of power, and the more sway special interests will have over all aspects of life. One-world government is not benevolent, and never can be. You want to end wars? Wars are caused by governments, not the common people...just ask Hermann Goering. With the lack of an external foe (which is a bad thing, by the way...there will be nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and nobody to come and save us), government will wage war of some type or another on its own people. Under this one world government you're looking forward to, we might not be outright beheaded for speaking our minds, but we will instead be made "non-persons" who cannot buy or sell anything, and who must starve to death - an elegant solution to the "problem" of dissent, is it not?
Although it is in fact inevitable that one-world government would become tyrannical, I don't need to convince you of this. Instead, simply ask yourself, "Even if he's not right about inevitability of tyranny...what if a one-world government was totally rampant and out of control? What if someone like Hitler came into power? What could we possibly do?" Yes, we would eventually prevail (barring some sort of dystopian future where our minds or emotions are dulled by drugs), but it would cost countless lives and countless tears. We're fighting an uphill battle now in the hope that we can save our children and grandchildren from fighting a much more terrible and costly battle...

To the OP: There are other posters who have definitely come up with a much better list, but for starters, check out the search results for "North American" on the CFR webpage.
 
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And don't get me wrong guys. I've donated about $300 to ron paul. I got all my family and friends interested in him. I love his message. Particularly his views on the IRS, drug war, and diplomacy(we cannot police the world by starting wars).

But the bottom line is that we as a nation and a world of people will get exactly what we deserve. And right now the universe doesn't think we are ready for Ron Paul. But Barack Obama might just allow us to find a middle ground for now. One with less war and enough change to represent that which is in our hearts.

that's all i got. I'm just tired of all the ron paul supporters being so fearful. And I'm sure you've heard it a million times, but...

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.
 
But Barack Obama might just allow us to find a middle ground for now. One with less war and enough change to represent that which is in our hearts.

that's all i got. I'm just tired of all the ron paul supporters being so fearful. And I'm sure you've heard it a million times, but...

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.

I thouht Obama was cool for a socialist, until...
I found out:

1: Obama will not address the Federal Reserve Fraud. He is status quo pro-corrupt establishment .

2: Obama's wife Michelle is a C.F.R. Member. Nuff Said!

3. Obama is a puppet of AIPAC, He will Kiss Israel's Ass.

4. Obamas Advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski. This guy is as criminal and treasonous as any US citizen in history. Do a little research, he wants to attack Russia!

5. Obama voted for the Patriot Act. He is an enemy of freedom.
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only if you are the ruler. you seem like a nice person. How bout it? c'mon, rule the world. make sure everyone is treated equal!

I do have political aspirations, but i doubt i'll ever get them started. But thanks for the nice comment.
 
I thouht Obama was cool for a socialist, until...
I found out:

1: Obama will not address the Federal Reserve Fraud. He is status quo pro-corrupt establishment .

2: Obama's wife Michelle is a C.F.R. Member. Nuff Said!

3. Obama is a puppet of AIPAC, He will Kiss Israel's Ass.

4. Obamas Advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski. This guy is as criminal and treasonous as any US citizen in history. Do a little research, he wants to attack Russia!

5. Obama voted for the Patriot Act. He is an enemy of freedom.
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But i've also read stuff to the contrary about obama's ties to israel, etc.. And what if some members of the CFR are not as "evil" as others. I'm sure that not every member of the CFR is power seeking and greedy. It just seems that you guys make so many assumptions. And you make so many blanket statements. I'm sure that not everyone that voted for the Patriot Act wanted to vote for it. If you'll recall, there was a LOT of pressure on everyone to go along with the war on terror.

Just please be careful about what you resist in life and who you write off as "evil"... you never know. Maybe Obama is just playing the game so he can grab the reigns and make some change...
 
I am voting my conscience. Voting isn't like betting on a sports team. Winners can be losers.

And when the world is all messed up I can at least say I tried to not be a part of it.
 
And don't get me wrong guys. I've donated about $300 to ron paul. I got all my family and friends interested in him. I love his message. Particularly his views on the IRS, drug war, and diplomacy(we cannot police the world by starting wars).

But the bottom line is that we as a nation and a world of people will get exactly what we deserve. And right now the universe doesn't think we are ready for Ron Paul. But Barack Obama might just allow us to find a middle ground for now. One with less war and enough change to represent that which is in our hearts.

that's all i got. I'm just tired of all the ron paul supporters being so fearful. And I'm sure you've heard it a million times, but...

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.

There's irrational fear (fear of Muslim terrorists, collectivist fear of ethnic groups in general, etc.), and there's rational fear (fear of rampant government)...
Our Founding Fathers feared rampant government as well, and for good reason - and when it really comes down to it, I believe they were a good deal wiser than FDR.
 
But i've also read stuff to the contrary about obama's ties to israel, etc.. And what if some members of the CFR are not as "evil" as others. I'm sure that not every member of the CFR is power seeking and greedy. It just seems that you guys make so many assumptions. And you make so many blanket statements. I'm sure that not everyone that voted for the Patriot Act wanted to vote for it. If you'll recall, there was a LOT of pressure on everyone to go along with the war on terror.

Just please be careful about what you resist in life and who you write off as "evil"... you never know. Maybe Obama is just playing the game so he can grab the reigns and make some change...

It's true that not every member of the CFR is power seeking and greedy. A lot of good people truly believe that world government is a good thing (after all, it seems that you yourself have some sympathies for the idea). This doesn't make them evil, just misguided. However, the CFR has an agenda for supranational governmental entities (NAU) and eventual one-world government, so if someone voluntarily associates themselves with such a group, even if they're good people, they're "in bed with the enemy" and as such a danger to US sovereignty and the US Constitution. I'd have no problem having them over for a few beers, but electing someone like that as President of the United States is out of the question. Besides, Brzezinski IS evil.

As far as the Patriot Act goes, you are correct that there was a lot of pressure to vote for the Patriot Act - it was almost 400 pages long and only released less than an hour before it came up for debate on the House floor. However, that's the difference between weak followers and true patriots and leaders: True patriots and leaders will say no if forced to give a vote on a bill they have not read, especially if it seems in any way that it might violate the Constitution. Had Obama been there that day and voted for it, this would not have branded him as "evil," but it would have shown that he's a follower with no real moral fiber and therefore unfit to lead...

However, I don't think integrity was referring to the initial vote, considering Barack Obama was not actually a Senator when the Patriot Act originally came about - rather, Obama eventually voted to extend the Patriot Act, years after it passed and during a time when half of the country was begging for it to be repealed.

One of the scariest things about Obama, though...he's about as much against gun rights as you can possibly get...and while I'm not a gun owner myself, I can at least recognize the importance of the Second Amendment and the significant reasons behind its existence. In short, all other purposes aside, it's the guardian of all other rights against an oppressive and tyrannical government.
 
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