Controlled Opposition - A must read for everyone in the liberty movement

Soooo, let me see if I have this straight...

There is nothing that can be done short of:

A - Rely on faith to transcend this "earthly grossness".

B - Fight, and drag the unthinking mass of humanity along for the ride, kicking and screaming.

C - Give up, make a drink, get laid, and see what's on TV.
And here's a great example why I stopped posting here for several years. It's dumbass response like this one. This is a great example of how well the system has indoctrinated so many minds. If one is not presented with authorized forms of rebellion they see that as doing nothing. It's like a transitor, everything is either one dialectical alternative or another. No gray.

Turning off from this system and thinking and percieving based upon ones own true experiences is an enormous leap. But unfortunately, we've all been indoctrinated so much from such an early stage we cannot even envision what this might entail, or we merely put it in to the "religious" fallacy or some similar camp.

Again, ceasing to allow this system to control how your brain develops is NOT doing nothing.
 
And here's a great example why I stopped posting here for several years. It's dumbass response like this one. This is a great example of how well the system has indoctrinated so many minds. If one is not presented with authorized forms of rebellion they see that as doing nothing. It's like a transitor, everything is either one dialectical alternative or another. No gray.

Turning off from this system and thinking and percieving based upon ones own true experiences is an enormous leap. But unfortunately, we've all been indoctrinated so much from such an early stage we cannot even envision what this might entail, or we merely put it in to the "religious" fallacy or some similar camp.

Again, ceasing to allow this system to control how your brain develops is NOT doing nothing.

Well, I agree to some extent. People do focus on externals not realizing that what prevents them from acting is not some external "enemy". It isn't the globalists or the bankers. Most people are in psychological submission already. Ideals and jingoism are comfort foods.

But my "optimism" as you say isn't based on some belief that this psychological problem doesn't exist and we just need a good idea or a leader to come along. I simply believe people do desire to act and be free in this regard and if they are willing to pay attention they can be communicated to about this problem.

You can never know though exactly where someone is psychologically though so the tone and content of the dialogue is important. So "doing nothing" with regards to what the current "movement" strategies are I would say isn't the issue. Doing nothing with regards to communicating with people and coming up with ways to raise awareness of the psychological aspect is the issue.
 
People don't know what's true anymore, and they've lost the ability to think outside the system. The deception has been going on for so long, and is so pervasive I just don't see how there ever could be a mass movement who could create real change.


Not knowing what is true does not imply an inability to know. Nothing has been lost which cannot be rediscovered and claimed. Knowing becomes a matter of will. The honest desire to know truth is a key to attainment. When one becomes willing to question all of their assumptions regarding what is "known", the way to wisdom is well paved.

We are not helpless idiot children, consigned to our doom at the hands of Themme. We as individuals can break the chains any time we wish if we want to and are willing to bear the risks.

All that aside, even if we are indeed doomed, we still have choices, among them being the manner in which we will meet our ends. We can be cowards or may choose something else. In the end the onus rests with each of us and we each make our choices by one means or another. At the end of the day we are accountable to ourselves for our choices, and possibly to "God", whatever that might mean in actual point of truth.

While I can certainly buy the "we're doomed" possibility, I do not buy the "we have no choice" position.


There are always choices, unpalatable as they may be in some circumstances. It is high time we start assuming real and substantive responsibility for our lives.

Time is here.
 
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Well, I agree to some extent. People do focus on externals not realizing that what prevents them from acting is not some external "enemy". It isn't the globalists or the bankers. Most people are in psychological submission already. Ideals and jingoism are comfort foods.

But my "optimism" as you say isn't based on some belief that this psychological problem doesn't exist and we just need a good idea or a leader to come along. I simply believe people do desire to act and be free in this regard and if they are willing to pay attention they can be communicated to about this problem.

You can never know though exactly where someone is psychologically though so the tone and content of the dialogue is important. So "doing nothing" with regards to what the current "movement" strategies are I would say isn't the issue. Doing nothing with regards to communicating with people and coming up with ways to raise awareness of the psychological aspect is the issue.
People must understand the extent to which their "thinking" is manufactured and limited. I don't get that many understand this. For example, so many here still think that "change" if most like affected via overt political or social action. There seems to be little to no understanding how these social vehicles were developed, and why they exist. I'd like to see more people asking themselves how this current social system was constructed, and why it has been designed as it is, and who were the thinkers behind this design and why did they make the choices that they did.

Until one makes an earnest attempt at this, I simply don't see how they can understand the breadth and depth of the system and the granularity of its controls, and how those controls are leveraged to literally shape the neural networks in our brains which control our perception, worldview, and cognition.

Get thru that process, and this system will appear utterly corrupt, unimportant, and irrelevant.
 
Not knowing what is true does not imply an inability to know. Nothing has been lost which cannot be rediscovered and claimed. Knowing becomes a matter of will. The honest desire to know truth is a key to attainment. When one becomes willing to question all of their assumptions regarding what is "known", the way to wisdom is well paved.

We are not helpless idiot children, consigned to our doom at the hands of Themme. We as individuals can break the chains any time we wish if we want to and are willing to bear the risks.

All that aside, even if we are indeed doomed, we still have choices, among them being the manner in which we will meet our ends. We can be cowards or may choose something else. In the end the onus rests with each of us and we each make our choices by one means or another. At the end of the day we are accountable to ourselves for our choices, and possibly to "God", whatever that might mean in actual point of truth.

While I can certainly buy the "we're doomed" possibility, I do not buy the "we have no choice" position.


There are always choices, unpalatable as they may be in some circumstances. It is high time we start assuming real and substantive responsibility for our lives.

Time is here.
Great post. I agree with every aspect of it.

The problem is, too many are looking for truth by turning to cointel outlets like the Alex Jones, alternative media (in general), or organized non-profit or other false movements.
 
Great post. I agree with every aspect of it.

The problem is, too many are looking for truth by turning to cointel outlets like the Alex Jones, alternative media (in general), or organized non-profit or other false movements.

If they would only just follow you to your forum, we could solve everything and break the simulcrum, find new vectors!
 
If they would only just follow you to your forum, we could solve everything and break the simulcrum, find new vectors!
People can only break the simulacrum on their own, I can't do that for them, nor do I even want to try.

Hey, Cowlesy, I'm more than happy to go away. I don't need to post here. I'm not even sure why I logged in again last week. I guess it was just curiousity. Just say the word, I'll go.
 
People can only break the simulacrum on their own, I can't do that for them, nor do I even want to try.

Hey, Cowlesy, I'm more than happy to go away. I don't need to post here. I'm not even sure why I logged in again last week. I guess it was just curiousity. Just say the word, I'll go.

Yet you'll post again no doubt.
 
Being a genius isn't worth much when you are surrounded by vultures. If you are a genius then you'd recognize the state of your surroundings and how to approach it.

(not saying I'm a genius but perhaps the OP is)
 
Thanks for the big welcome back. Glad to know someone still remembers me :)

To answer your question with an extremely short reply.... the liberty movement is controlled by intelligence operatives. I mean, isn't that obvious by now? I must admit that I haven't paid attention to it in quite a few years, as I got sick of the madness. But ultimately, it was always designed to corral those who were still anchored in the US Constitution and to render them meaningless, either through exhaustion, discrediting them, or any other means imagineable. It's been going on for a long long time, but since the turn of the century the efforts have been extended significantly. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Here is the problem. People want something to believe in. It's hardwired into our DNA. That is why religion is so powerful. I found out recently that when someone prays, they release oxytocin. That's the same hormone that is released during sex that causes mammals to bond to each other. It's also released other ways (hugs for example) and it builds trust. I am a religious person, so I think we were designed that way. An atheist might say we evolved that way. But there's no denying that the ability to have trust, or "faith" is part of our survival skill set.

Bringing that to this thread, even in politics there is an inward desire to trust. And that can be a good thing, or a bad thing. For example, I have some relatives that I did convince to step outside their box and cross over and vote for Ron Paul in the primary since the democratic side wasn't having a presidential primary, and they did (and do) genuinely like Paul. But some are still Obama supporters and in ways that don't make sense to me. I still here "They just don't want him to succeed". They? They who? I explain that an administration that admittedly spent 82 billion to create 2,000 "green jobs" can't really be working in their best interest or that the increase wars and the support of Al Qaeda in Libya and possibly Syria isn't what they thought they were getting. Things just get quiet these days when I bring that stuff up. But I understand. They need to trust in someone to get this country back on track.

Then I think of my own support for Rand. And yes I do support him. I will admit my support waivered back in 2010 when I heard him in an interview give a question about Gitmo that sounded like an endorsement of torture. In retrospect, with enough hair splitting, it wasn't. But I caught hell back then for suggesting that there were risked to the whole "Walk and talk like a teocon" strategy. I didn't bring up the torture interview. It's funny, but years later I've seen at least one of the same people who gave me hell for daring question strategy back then later give Rand hell for his Romney endorsement among other things. Some of the things that freak others out don't bother me. If I can make peace with the most absurd thing Rand could possibly ever say, then him saying "I'm not a libertarian because I'm not for people running around half naked and smoking dope" doesn't at all bother me. Maybe it should? I go back to the G. Edward Griffin video An Idea Who's Time Has Come, where he basically pushed the idea of doing and saying whatever it takes to get power so that you can turn the "ship of state" around. But every time I go there, I think about your criticism of Griffin in this thread. And the "stealth" strategy has an obvious danger. How can you be sure the person you are supporting who is in "stealth mode" really is on your side?

For me, Rand's currently done enough for me to believe he's on my side. He still says stuff to at times draw my ire, but I haven't seen a problematic vote yet. But there have been clear problems. The CFL endorsed (kinda sorta) Ken Buck for senate. Buck would later lead the charge against marijuana decriminalization in Colorado and Tom Tancredo, of all people, ended up on the right side of that issue. Kerry Bentivolio, who's roll in a 9/11 truth mockumentory film made me think he had to be real, voted to increase the debt ceiling. And I will not trust Jesse Benton until I see a formal apology from him for how he treated the organizers of PaulFest, including our own DeborahK. (And I know that's not going to happen).

Anyway, what to do? I don't know. I do think people need to do more to be independent forces for change on their own. I'm cautiously optimistic about the "Bitcoin" movement, though I haven't gotten into it myself. I'm looking into getting into aquaponics. People will always have to eat. And if I just feed myself and my family, that's doing good. I've thought about creating a self organizing "action network" type website, but I haven't done it yet. If/when I do you will certainly be invited.
 
this has been an interesting thread !!
there have been many good questions raised by both sides - i mean IP on one side and many others on the other side.
part of what IP is saying makes sense to me and explains what has happened - how wind was taken out of the Liberty movement, how tactics are used by the MSM, and how some campaign insiders seem to had a different idea on how to handle the grassroots movement.
on the other hand, IP's tips have been quite vague or maybe i am not enlightened enough to understand them...yet !
 
People must understand the extent to which their "thinking" is manufactured and limited. I don't get that many understand this. For example, so many here still think that "change" if most like affected via overt political or social action. There seems to be little to no understanding how these social vehicles were developed, and why they exist. I'd like to see more people asking themselves how this current social system was constructed, and why it has been designed as it is, and who were the thinkers behind this design and why did they make the choices that they did.

Until one makes an earnest attempt at this, I simply don't see how they can understand the breadth and depth of the system and the granularity of its controls, and how those controls are leveraged to literally shape the neural networks in our brains which control our perception, worldview, and cognition.

Get thru that process, and this system will appear utterly corrupt, unimportant, and irrelevant.

You're really just referencing Bernays' work.
 
You're really just referencing Bernays' work.
Yes, 'm referencing quite a few people's work And yes, I'm not smart enough to see-what-I-am-saying on my own... many have written of it and I'll I've done is taken the time to research the various works and to learn how to understand doublespeak and the language of elites and elite academia. Removing all of the filters that the system has installed is the first, and the hardest part, of the process, as these become biologically etched in ones brain (ie. network of synapses).
 
Interesting. Never heard of him...until now.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/bernprop.html

Im genuinely surprised you weren't already familiar with Bernays!

Propaganda is definitely one of the "manuals" of the elite. Along with:

Tragedy and Hope by Quigley
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf

The Psychopathology of Everyday Life by Freud
http://www.scribd.com/doc/140561486/Psychopathology-of-Everyday-Life-pdf

None are "light reading" but very important to understanding how the system is designed around us and if one wishes to make a difference, sadly they also have to incorporate much of the material.
 
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Whoa, are we mere Bokonists?

Most people of Empire have been nothing more than that since forever, all pretenses to greater truths notwithstanding.

OTOH, some institutions of Empire appear to be complementary to Bokonism. The Catholic Church appears to be a prime example: peddling lies that, once accepted, makes people miserable and profoundly unhealthy.
 
Im genuinely surprised you weren't already familiar with Bernays!

Propaganda is definitely one of the "manuals" of the elite. Along with:

Tragedy and Hope by Quigley
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf

The Psychopathology of Everyday Life by Freud
http://www.scribd.com/doc/140561486/Psychopathology-of-Everyday-Life-pdf

None are "light reading" but very important to understanding how the system is designed around us and if one wishes to make a difference, sadly they also have to incorporate much of the material.

There's a lot I still don't know. That's why coming to this place is still worth it. ;) Thanks for the reading list. I'm familair with Tragedy and Hope and "really need to read that" list.
 
a recent movie comes to mind.
In Promised Land they show how the company salespersons take land for natural gas extraction.
i know there is a controversy regarding the methods used.
in the movie they show how an "activist" comes to the people with evidence to rile them up against the company - which does happen.
and then in the end it is shown that the "activist" had shown manipulated and false evidence - lo and behold people dump the activist and his claims against the company, which benefits the company.
the main protagonist then realizes that the activist was also working for the company !!
 
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